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Regarding the vegetarian/pescatarian thing... (and I totally understand why you simplified it for this post Meg this rant is a different matter) but why do most people and places think being a vegetarian includes the eating of fish and shellfish?
I will tell people that I am a vegetarian and they will say, "oh no worries, we're cooking salmon" or a restaurant will show me their seafood options. Growing up, I was not raised a vegetarian nor did I know many, but I knew that the word meant a person who did not eat animals. When did this change?
I met a girl on a trip who said she was a vegetarian and was all about wearing it literally on her sleeve, her chest, on her car in stickers, all over her social networking pages... but ate fish, shellfish, French onion soup the traditional way, Caesar salad with classic dressing... annoyed the SH!T out of me. Honestly, eat what you want and feel good about it, but don't try to be something you are not.
Maybe if this country knew what the word meant, there may be some more options at restaurants. Try eating at a TGIFridays without having the dish recreated for you. Your options are: - greasy fried and cheesy portabello sandwich with red pepper soup - fried green beans - fried mozzarella sticks - the most pitiful little house salad on the planet - French fries
Um yeah... that's it. No vegetarian pasta dishes, no vegetarian salads, no vegetarian appetizers except a plate of lard (though man those green beans are pretty phenomenal with a tall cold one!) ;D a new family-owned Italian restaurant near us that gets rave reviews has TWO vegetarian dishes on the whole menu. Six-page menu and all we could eat was garlic bread, stuffed shells and a weird version of moussaka.
I hear ya on that - but ya know - we have been pleasantly surprised here lately - especially in Mississippi - we havebeen able to find quite a few vegetarian options - of course - she always does have a seafood option.
Post by koyaanisqatsi on Feb 19, 2008 11:05:14 GMT -5
Yeah-I have people ask me all of the time-"You eat chicken, though, right ?"
That's when I realize that not much will come out of the convo than an exercise in tolerance.
I used to eat alot of seafood and no other flesh. But I've let go of it. When you realize how most commercial fishing is conducted, it's easy to let go. Long line trawling is similar to plowing our land, and throwing everything away but rabbits. Not willing to support that for the sake of taste.
Guess I''m just coming to terms with the notion that I don't have to be ruled by or defined by my appetites.
Oatmeal Bunny posted before about the notion of delayed gratification. And I like it alot.
When you are gnawing on something that tastes good, do you slow down and enjoy every second of it ? Or do you mouw it down just so you can get more in your mouth ?
There is a zen in the notion of SAVORING something savory. For me, an occasional sniff of the burning flesh is enough to remind me that I don't have to go any farther.
And it's also a great way to wean yourself from cruelty raised beef to the free range chemical and cruelty free stuff.
But by now, I'm sure most meatheads have long since bailed on this thread.
Yeah-I have people ask me all of the time-"You eat chicken, though, right ?"
That's when I realize that not much will come out of the convo than an exercise in tolerance.
I used to eat alot of seafood and no other flesh. But I've let go of it. When you realize how most commercial fishing is conducted, it's easy to let go. Long line trawling is similar to plowing our land, and throwing everything away but rabbits. Not willing to support that for the sake of taste.
Guess I''m just coming to terms with the notion that I don't have to be ruled by or defined by my appetites.
Oatmeal Bunny posted before about the notion of delayed gratification. And I like it alot.
When you are gnawing on something that tastes good, do you slow down and enjoy every second of it ? Or do you mouw it down just so you can get more in your mouth ?
There is a zen in the notion of SAVORING something savory. For me, an occasional sniff of the burning flesh is enough to remind me that I don't have to go any farther.
And it's also a great way to wean yourself from cruelty raised beef to the free range chemical and cruelty free stuff.
But by now, I'm sure most meatheads have long since bailed on this thread.
ummm - I am still here - I am a carnivore - I like my meat - but you always open my eyes and show me alternatives - I have an open mind and am normally willing to listen to a different point of view and occasionally wil change my opinion
Post by chicojuarz on Feb 19, 2008 12:26:33 GMT -5
so what are some good options for making veggie sandwiches to take to work? I'd like to be able to mix it up a little. I can only handle tomato, cucumber, lettuce, etc. for so long.
Post by sparklybecca on Feb 19, 2008 12:32:27 GMT -5
i get a delicious veggie sandwich alot at a place by work but i think it would be easy to make..its wheat bread, avacado - sliced veryyy thin cucumbers, sprouts, sharp cheddar cheese sliced thin, tomatoes (which i take off cuz i hate em) and garlic/lemon aioli. its yummylicious ;D
My daughter takes pimento cheese sandwiches. Also - we have been buying the meatless lunchmeat - she says it is actually pretty good with lettuce, tomato and honey mustard. She is big on pasta salad for lunch with all kinds of veggies thrown in
Morningstar Chicken Patties rule...on a potato roll, with mayonnaise and lettuce. Ditto on the chargrilled Boca Burgers, add red onion.
Can anyone tell me why virtually EVERY salad option on every menu contains chicken? I realize I can order it without the chicken, but no one offers a price break when I do that. It's not a big deal, really, just slightly maddening.
Post by chicojuarz on Feb 19, 2008 13:14:28 GMT -5
Don't vegetarians eat chicken?
Actually, this is one of those things that made me laugh. I had a friend coming over to my grandma's house a couple of years ago. And I wanted to prep her that he wouldnt be able to eat basically anything she ever makes.
So I try explaining that he's a vegetarian to which I get a very very confused look. And she tells me he can eat refried beans and rice. So I say "Grandma you use lard in the beans and chicken broth in the rice." It went around and around like that for about 10 more minutes. I failed to explain the point to her properly.
Chico - I buy her the salami version of it and she said it actually tastes close to salami - she said it is a little different but very similar. She has tried the "turkey" version and while she will tolerate it - she said it is not as good.
She also loves boca burgers and just last night - tried tempeh in her salad. She said she thinks that if she sliced it and put it on a tortilla with some veggies that it would be very good
Post by koyaanisqatsi on Feb 19, 2008 14:32:05 GMT -5
falafel makes a good lunch. you can make them up in bulk and just microwave them and toss 'em on some flatbread with sprouts and cukes. add alittle franks redhot for some zing...
also been making a baba gahummus-which I realize is like saying tacoburrito, but it's friggin' good nonetheless. slice an eggplant longwise about 6 times in the shape of pickle spears. baste with olive oil and roast in the oven.at the same time baste and roast sliced red peppers and a head or more of garlic. when all that's roasted, peel the skin off the eggplant. toss the eggplant in a food processor with the garlic, about a pound of chick peas, and the juice of a lemon, and about a half cup of tahini. blend all that then hand mix in the red peppers and/or some chopped green onions or chopped spinach. spread on pita, or pita chips, or flatbread, or crackers or whatever. i also can some hot banana peppers that go really good with this. just took that all to a party and it was gone in no time. good base for drinkin' !
also been cooking with quinoa. it's also known as the mother of grains and gives more protein per serving than any other grain. it's a really cool texture and is very substitutable for rice. when cooked, it has a round sprout like shape. great with black beans, red beans, any kinda beans, etc ad infinitem
falafel makes a good lunch. you can make them up in bulk and just microwave them and toss 'em on some flatbread with sprouts and cukes. add alittle franks redhot for some zing...
also been making a baba gahummus-which I realize is like saying tacoburrito, but it's friggin' good nonetheless. slice an eggplant longwise about 6 times in the shape of pickle spears. baste with olive oil and roast in the oven.at the same time baste and roast sliced red peppers and a head or more of garlic. when all that's roasted, peel the skin off the eggplant. toss the eggplant in a food processor with the garlic, about a pound of chick peas, and the juice of a lemon, and about a half cup of tahini. blend all that then hand mix in the red peppers and/or some chopped green onions or chopped spinach. spread on pita, or pita chips, or flatbread, or crackers or whatever. i also can some hot banana peppers that go really good with this. just took that all to a party and it was gone in no time. good base for drinkin' !
also been cooking with quinoa. it's also known as the mother of grains and gives more protein per serving than any other grain. it's a really cool texture and is very substitutable for rice. when cooked, it has a round sprout like shape. great with black beans, red beans, any kinda beans, etc ad infinitem
ramble ramble
I like the rambling about it - I am learning stuff - you have mentioned a few things we have seen at the co-op but did not know what they were
Post by oleander124 on Feb 19, 2008 14:53:13 GMT -5
My fav lunches are:
Crumbles mixed with some cumin and chili powder, maybe some refried beans, lettuce, tomatoes, plain yogurt (tastes like sour cream), and salsa. Nice little salad with a "taco salad" taste.
For sandwiches I just like veggie subs which are cucumber, green pepper, lettuce, tomato, pickles, pepperjack or swiss cheese, and a little oil and vinegar.
The pasta salad is good with just about anything: tomatoes, spinach, chunks of mozzarella (melted in the pasta is soooo dreamy), red pepper, broccoli, kidney beans, green peas, artichokes, olives....mix and match.
Leftover spinach casserole is great for a quick sandwich.
I think I'll try the salami fake meat. I've been reluctant to try it because some options for vegetarians are so gross.
Post by Mrs. Ferret on Feb 19, 2008 19:28:25 GMT -5
chicojuarz said:
so what are some good options for making veggie sandwiches to take to work? I'd like to be able to mix it up a little. I can only handle tomato, cucumber, lettuce, etc. for so long.
I think Tofurky is really good stuff. I love the peppered deli slices and the cranberry & stuffing deli slices.
Post by frigginbecca on Feb 19, 2008 20:08:04 GMT -5
sassbox said:
Can anyone tell me why virtually EVERY salad option on every menu contains chicken? I realize I can order it without the chicken, but no one offers a price break when I do that. It's not a big deal, really, just slightly maddening.
I ask for the price break...usually I get a weird look..."Let me ask my manager." or "We can put the meat on the side"- even worse!
Eating establishments should get with the program! And we need to speak up as well...
Everyone should try Quorn! It's the shiznit. Way better than any other chicken substitute, imo. If it's not at your grocery have them order it for you (just not the buffalo things ).
Also, seitan is a good beef replacement. It's good in soups, curries and any kind of stew.
One of my favorites is to take a long pepper (either Cubanelle or Hungarian Wax), split it open to remove the seeds (but don't cut all the way through), then stuff it with feta cheese, black pepper, olive oil and a bit of dried oregano. Wrap it in foil and bake it for about 20-25 minutes on 350. Easy and delicious.
Post by thedeltaking on Feb 19, 2008 23:20:13 GMT -5
Oh what a topic....
I think it's AWFUL the way some animals are treated in instances like this. However, I do and always will eat meat. I prefer to hunt the animals myself (I'm sure I'll catch Hell for that one). But look at it this way...
They are completely free and healthy until one day, something hits them and they are dead. I don't have to worry about as many steroids and additives in the meat... Organic at it's finest.
Post by thedeltaking on Feb 19, 2008 23:40:12 GMT -5
sassbox said:
Hunting is infinitely more humane than feed lots.
Glad you agree... I argued with an "animal rights activist" once and she said she had rather been raised in a pen and treated the way livestock is rather than to live free and just be hit by death some day.
I think she was just too close-minded to realize what she was saying.
Post by koyaanisqatsi on Feb 20, 2008 9:09:17 GMT -5
Yeah. That's weird. From what I have run into, it's typically a hunter who starts sh!t with a veggie before the other way around. I've got no Beef with the kind of hunter who is out for food and not a penis extension...err trophy. They tend to be respectful of the land. And most will leave the huge majestic animals as breed stock.
And again Bunny is right on the money with her recommendation of QUORN. Most realistically textured chicken substitute. AND, it's totally sustainable, as it is mycologically based. They actually brew it, but it is most similar to mushrooms.
Vegetarianism has also made me an avid mushroom collector. I made and froze 150 veggie meatballs based from some chicken of the woods mushrooms I collected this fall for less than ten bucks !
I third Quorn - really good stuff, great texture, my omnivore friends even like it! The unbreaded pieces are great for making soft tacos or fajitas and adding to sauces or chili.
My favorite veggie sandwich? Toss a breaded chik'n patty int he toaster on 6. When it pops, put it back in again. On some really hearty multi-grain bread (also toasted to hold in moisture) I put spicy mustard, some crumbled gorgonzola cheese, field greens and sliced avocado. Then add the warmed patty, wrap in foil and take to work and pop in the fridge. When I eat it, it's cold but all the flavors have melded together and it's super yum.
Au Bon Pain makes the BEST sandwich with this great grainy bread, goat cheese spread, some dijon spread, tomatoes, field greens and marinated portabello... major treat!
I have no problem with hunters. My grandfather hunted; one of my good friend's dad works for the USDA in controlling deer population in MD. Both of them eat/ate what they catch/caught. I do have a problem with the hunters who hunt just for trophies.
I had an old boss who was like that - even went to Africa and Canada to hunting parks where big game is caught and lives just to be shot by hunters. We meant to do an April Fool's prank on him by raking a bunch of stuffed animals, taking off their heads and putting them on plaques and decorating his entire office in them, but I quit before April arrived
I'm not a vegetarian, but I LOVE the Morningstar chick'n patties and often make a sandwich out of them for lunch. Although I heat everything up at work.
Post by handgunhipster on Feb 20, 2008 9:52:03 GMT -5
dcbee said:
I'm not a vegetarian, but I LOVE the Morningstar chick'n patties and often make a sandwich out of them for lunch. Although I heat everything up at work.
I love theeem. The Chick'n Nuggets are good too. :]
Post by koyaanisqatsi on Feb 20, 2008 9:52:12 GMT -5
alieblue said:
My favorite veggie sandwich? Toss a breaded chik'n patty int he toaster on 6. When it pops, put it back in again. On some really hearty multi-grain bread (also toasted to hold in moisture) I put spicy mustard, some crumbled gorgonzola cheese, field greens and sliced avocado. Then add the warmed patty, wrap in foil and take to work and pop in the fridge. When I eat it, it's cold but all the flavors have melded together and it's super yum.
MMMMMMMM Mmmmmmmmmmmm !!
I also dig the peppered tofurkey slices mentioned above. For a quick hearty meal, warm a pack of those(separate the slices) in a pan of mushroom gravy and serve over torn hearty grainy bread OR a baked potato. Best sh!t on a shingle EVER. and done in less than 10 minutes with NO FEAR of salmonella or mad cow, or trichonosis, or etc etc etc.
Another benefit to not having meat around--No house flies in the summer !!
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this rant is a different matter) but why do most people and places think being a vegetarian includes the eating of fish and shellfish?
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