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Post by GratefulHippie on Mar 5, 2008 19:43:55 GMT -5
that an interesting read, and definitely makes sense. even when i was more religious, i never took the bible literally. they're stories meant to teach us things, IMO.
as for the ayahuasca, if that was actually available, its perfectly sensible. i was watching an episode of No Reservations with Anthony Bourdain the other day. he was in peru, and apparently ayahuasca is a drug used by the shamans still today in order to heal. its a very involved practice, but insanely intense. both bukowski and ginsberg have written accounts of their experiences with it.
Post by SouthGA_Festival Machine on Mar 5, 2008 20:10:46 GMT -5
Anyone that believes Religion is a myth and Moses was stoned, just remember when your burning in Hell it is all just a myth.... Posted by: pathlo 7:34 PM
You can actually find a main component of Ayahusca in some places in the U.S. It's called Datura. Mention it to anyone who knows their substances and they will tell you its bad things. It has beautiful flowers. Of course though, many stupid people think it something to be taken lightly. An Ayahusca brew is a large brew of many psychoactives and Datura is so powerful its put in at a very low amount for the entire brew. Many people find it and say hey lets trip balls. Datura is not a hallucinogen like 'cid or shrooms, its a Deleriant. This means what you see, you actually think is real. It's so strong a poorly eyed dose can put you in a trip for 4 days or more and you may black out from it. Just don't eat any plants you don't know..
Post by stallion pt. 2 on Mar 6, 2008 0:31:01 GMT -5
Interesting it doesn't mention which plants. I imagine they have Syrian Rue, which would provide the harmala alkaloids, but I can't think of any DMT-containing plants native to the Siani.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
can some explain this picture that was with the article. i mean, what the F u ck is up with the creepy bald dude?
The guy is Timothy Leary, philosopher and acid advocate from the 60's. Really cool guy, all in all.
“I am 100 percent in favor of the intelligent use of druqs, and 1,000 percent against the thoughtless use of them, whether caffeine or LSD. And druqs are not central to my life.”
“Think for yourself and question authority”
"Turn on, Tune in, Drop out."
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I'm also a Christian who does not see how anyone who has actually read the Bible can take it literally. It is full of contradictions. The Bible is meant to teach lessons not teach history. At the time the Bible was written, literal history was not even thought of. History was taught through fables, parables and epic hero stories like the Odyssey.
Hey, maybe God wanted Moses to trip. It can be a way to open a closed mind.
But then again maybe I'm going to hell too for my blasphemy. I don't even believe in a literal Hell.
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Post by ☮ superbek ☮ on Mar 6, 2008 14:02:03 GMT -5
You know, I have thought about this all before....
First of all I believe the Bible is a book of fairy tales. It's sort of like a kid with Santa Claus or the tooth fairy. People will believe the first thing they are told especially if you hear it when you're 2 and it comes from a parental unit, someone who all your trust lies upon.
If you go back and take a gander at some Shakespheare, then you know that stories from 500 years ago than you know that anyone of his tales could transferr to today's time....it's all there: scandal, deceit, murder, love affairs, etc.
so why would the same philosophy not hold true to the Bible? oh wait... IT DOES.
The story of Mary could have been some huge Jerry Springer style cover up story... While the burning bush or "the voice of God" could have been no no word influenced or possibly even a mental illness that was of course, unknown at the time. Refer to the "People's Temple case of the 1970's, everyone dubbed Jim Jones out of his head while if he would have lived 2000 years ago he could have easily been Moses himself.
Also, in the Bible does it not address the fact that we are suppose to use everything put on Earth by "God"? So there is no doubt in my mind that people nommed down on the corn, among other things.
To My Smiters: Go ahead and smite if you like, I am prepared but this is something I believe very strongly in and this time, I indefinately value my opinion more than yours. I am not here to please you, I am her to speak my mind. Which I just did, so there. And just so you know, smiting is not very "Christian like"
Post by SouthGA_Festival Machine on Mar 6, 2008 14:08:54 GMT -5
superbek said:
You know, I have thought about this all before....
First of all I believe the Bible is a book of fairy tales. It's sort of like a kid with Santa Claus or the tooth fairy. People will believe the first thing they are told especially if you hear it when you're 2 and it comes from a parental unit, someone who all your trust lies upon.
If you go back and take a gander at some Shakespheare, then you know that stories from 500 years ago than you know that anyone of his tales could transferr to today's time....it's all there: scandal, deceit, murder, love affairs, etc.
so why would the same philosophy not hold true to the Bible? oh wait... IT DOES.
The story of Mary could have been some huge Jerry Springer style cover up story... While the burning bush or "the voice of God" could have been no no word influenced or possibly even a mental illness that was of course, unknown at the time. Refer to the "People's Temple case of the 1970's, everyone dubbed Jim Jones out of his head while if he would have lived 2000 years ago he could have easily been Moses himself.
Also, in the Bible does it not address the fact that we are suppose to use everything put on Earth by "God"? So there is no doubt in my mind that people nommed down on the corn, among other things.
To My Smiters: Go ahead and smite if you like, I am prepared but this is something I believe very strongly in and this time, I indefinately value my opinion more than yours. I am not here to please you, I am her to speak my mind. Which I just did, so there. And just so you know, smiting is not very "Christian like"
Anyone that God spoke to and told "I know you don't believe in me but I want you to overthrow the strongest nation in the world and teach a million people how to care for themselves. Oh and teach them about me and my rules." would have to go a little bonkers.
I really like Moses. Not the Charleton Heston-comic book version but the biblical, stuttering, back-talking Moses. He starts by saying "I don't believe in you." and "You have the wrong guy. Find someone else." And then goes on to repeat "People are such dumbasses. I can't do this."
He slowly learns to understand God and how simple, yet difficult, following Him is. I see Moses as the most "real" prophet in the Bible, at least in how he reacts to such a surreal situation.
Just MHO
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