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read that. look at what people said. is there really such thing as a musical snob? is that something that really needs to be said? if so, isn't everybody one? i think there is too much unproductive (or possibly destructive) labeling going on here. the article isn't that bad, its just an article, but people's responses to it were at times a bit uncalled for. why?
reassure me that i am not an asshole because i have some sort of opinion.
why are people f***s about this? cant they just appreciate other appreciation?
Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band’s Trout Mask Replica - no Bob Dylan’s Blonde On Blonde - yes Fugazi’s Repeater - no The Mars Volta’s Amputechture - no Wilco’s Yankee Hotel Foxtrot - yes Aesop Rock’s Labor Days - no The Moldy Peaches’ The Moldy Peaches - no Belle & Sebastian’s The Boy With The Arab Strap - yes Cat Power’s Moon Pix - not sure Pavement’s Slanted & Enchanted - not sure
i guess im only kind of a music snob. but really, im the kind of music fan that knows a fair amount about the music industry and new music in gereral, but am completely lacking when it comes to readily identifying musical styles, guitar work, that sort of thing.
going to festivals has *hugely* impacted my musical knowledge though - greatest thing ever.
Post by kenglandroo on Mar 12, 2008 12:57:00 GMT -5
ya i hear you. bonnaroo is the best place to just listen to music as it is. no worries about anything. there are a ton of bands and you will see the ones that you like and some you didnt know you liked. nothing "snobby" about that
I think there's definitely an objective way of analyzing music. I just think most people are too lazy to define things outside themselves, so they rely on subjective criticism. You can talk about music how it is without giving your personal opinion of it but still be critical.
I consider myself a music nerd, but I know some people would call me a snob. I find accusers are often more close minded about music than the people who they're accusing of music snobbery. There are some genuine music snob dipshits, but true music snobs can articulate their snobbery. Most of the dipshits are just posers name checking to stay up with their friends.
Post by GratefulHippie on Mar 12, 2008 14:48:25 GMT -5
dudezer47 said:
I think there's definitely an objective way of analyzing music. I just think most people are too lazy to define things outside themselves, so they rely on subjective criticism. You can talk about music how it is without giving your personal opinion of it but still be critical.
I consider myself a music nerd, but I know some people would call me a snob. I find accusers are often more close minded about music than the people who they're accusing of music snobbery. There are some genuine music snob dipshits, but true music snobs can articulate their snobbery. Most of the dipshits are just posers name checking to stay up with their friends.
but even in your "objective" way of analyzation, whether its the mixing of the album, or the way an instrument is played, it still comes down to opinion...which is always subjective
i do agree, though, that most who are the accusers are close-minded themselves.
- Pet Sounds > Sgt. Pepper's - A band with a cute Asian female lead singer is always awesome even if you can't understand her - If you can't understand it, it must be smarter than and therefore good.
but even in your "objective" way of analyzation, whether its the mixing of the album, or the way an instrument is played, it still comes down to opinion...which is always subjective
i do agree, though, that most who are the accusers are close-minded themselves.
I disagree. I think there's enough evidence to suggest that, objectively speaking, Bach was a great composer.
I think what you're talking about moves into relativism which is a way of thinking that, without objectivity, fundamentally does not work.
to me, a music snob is someone who names 50 bands in a "favorite albums of the year" list, most of whom are pretty unfamiliar, and then lists two bands as honorable mentions . . . . . . at that point, why not just add it to the list of 50 you just made . . . . . .
To me, a music snob is someone who thinks that any radio play or commercial success means the band sucks and are not "real" musicians. And who refuse to admit that there are any redeeming qualities in such artists.
Same as with other types of snobs.
Beer snobs can't see the beauty of an ice cold Miller Lite when tailgating on a really hot day.
Wine snobs refuse to drink white wine. Will avoid ordering poached halibut at a restaurant because that would mean they can't order that big, bold and impressive red wine.
Movie snobs just order netflix all summer long.
TV snobs watch Simpsons for the cultural references and god forbid someone catches them watching America's Funniest Home Videos.
Basically being a snob about something means that you are so concerned about being cool, on the cutting edge, etc. that you can't see plain entertainment when it hits you over the head.
*please note that this is different from being a connoisseur or otherwise appreciative of the finer things in life. For example, one who prefers substantive beer will not buy Miller Lite himself, but if that's all that's offered, will still drink and at least try to enjoy. A beer snob will object to even having Miller Lite offered and will drink only water instead. And when anyone asks, will reply "I can't imagine drinking Miller Lite. It's completely offensive to me" - especially if the host is nearby.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Mar 12, 2008 15:33:45 GMT -5
dudezer47 said:
hippienaustin said:
but even in your "objective" way of analyzation, whether its the mixing of the album, or the way an instrument is played, it still comes down to opinion...which is always subjective
i do agree, though, that most who are the accusers are close-minded themselves.
I disagree. I think there's enough evidence to suggest that, objectively speaking, Bach was a great composer.
I think what you're talking about moves into relativism which is a way of thinking that, without objectivity, fundamentally does not work.
Agreed, i've listened to albums where i appreciate the quality of it, but i still didn't much care for the album. Its the same thing with movies, some movies are incredibly well made, but not as well liked. Also the only album i dont have on that list is Blonde on Blonde, till now!
Post by kenglandroo on Mar 12, 2008 15:47:37 GMT -5
i feel like being a snob might be a part of listening to music for a while. opinions are always being pushed on tv and in school and everywhere that we all start to develop an opinion on everything. music is an easy target.and in my opinion, Snobbery is to be avoided.
Post by SouthGA_Festival Machine on Mar 12, 2008 15:48:15 GMT -5
dcbee said:
To me, a music snob is someone who thinks that any radio play or commercial success means the band sucks and are not "real" musicians. And who refuse to admit that there are any redeeming qualities in such artists.
Same as with other types of snobs.
Beer snobs can't see the beauty of an ice cold Miller Lite when tailgating on a really hot day.
Wine snobs refuse to drink white wine. Will avoid ordering poached halibut at a restaurant because that would mean they can't order that big, bold and impressive red wine.
Movie snobs just order netflix all summer long.
TV snobs watch Simpsons for the cultural references and god forbid someone catches them watching America's Funniest Home Videos.
Basically being a snob about something means that you are so concerned about being cool, on the cutting edge, etc. that you can't see plain entertainment when it hits you over the head.
*please note that this is different from being a connoisseur or otherwise appreciative of the finer things in life. For example, one who prefers substantive beer will not buy Miller Lite himself, but if that's all that's offered, will still drink and at least try to enjoy. A beer snob will object to even having Miller Lite offered and will drink only water instead. And when anyone asks, will reply "I can't imagine drinking Miller Lite. It's completely offensive to me" - especially if the host is nearby.
I'm a beer semi-snob, I'll only drink bad beer if I really need a drink, and have no immediate alternative, but just because I drink your beer in no way relieves you from being insulted for offering it.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Mar 12, 2008 15:49:25 GMT -5
I also think 'music snob' generally just refers to someone who has a very large knowledge of music, as this article was using it. I do not take offense to the term.
Post by kenglandroo on Mar 12, 2008 15:53:20 GMT -5
ziggyandthemonkeys said:
I also think 'music snob' generally just refers to someone who has a very large knowledge of music, as this article was using it. I do not take offense to the term.
good call. i still question the need for the term. words. too many words.
I also think 'music snob' generally just refers to someone who has a very large knowledge of music, as this article was using it. I do not take offense to the term.
Ditto. I usually find those kind of articles more funny than offensive because of how much truth is in them...
Post by SouthGA_Festival Machine on Mar 12, 2008 18:15:09 GMT -5
ziggyandthemonkeys said:
I also think 'music snob' generally just refers to someone who has a very large knowledge of music, as this article was using it. I do not take offense to the term.
Nor should you, as there is no one worthy of questioning your authority.
My roommate thinks im a music snob. I sit in my corner of the room silently listening to some of my old hippy music at moderate volumes and he brings his system out and plays something really loud that he knows I won't like. I get mad because he just overpowered me totally with his system, and tell him no I don't like it and he calls me a music snob. I don't usually hate on music unless i think its really bad, coincidently he really listens to bad music...Then after he calls me a hater he says "how do you listen to that old shit" and I have to remind him of the roots of his music...
Post by bamadancer on Mar 12, 2008 21:12:35 GMT -5
dcbee said:
To me, a music snob is someone who thinks that any radio play or commercial success means the band sucks and are not "real" musicians. And who refuse to admit that there are any redeeming qualities in such artists.
Basically being a snob about something means that you are so concerned about being cool, on the cutting edge, etc. that you can't see plain entertainment when it hits you over the head.
QFT.
Also, they must name drop very unknown bands and artists and act like they've been listening to them forever, ESPECIALLY if you just discovered them. When I saw Blitzen Trapper last night and was totally blown away by the show, this friend of mine was like, "Oh I've been listening to them for like a year, it's nothing new for me." grr.
I took a class a couple of years ago called "The History Of Indie Rock"...there were so many music snobs/hipsters in that class it was nauseating. I seriously think one guy made up bands and albums just so he could look cool. It was ridiculous. I have a strong distaste for music snobs.
To me, a music snob is someone who thinks that any radio play or commercial success means the band sucks and are not "real" musicians. And who refuse to admit that there are any redeeming qualities in such artists.
Basically being a snob about something means that you are so concerned about being cool, on the cutting edge, etc. that you can't see plain entertainment when it hits you over the head.
QFT.
Also, they must name drop very unknown bands and artists and act like they've been listening to them forever, ESPECIALLY if you just discovered them. When I saw Blitzen Trapper last night and was totally blown away by the show, this friend of mine was like, "Oh I've been listening to them for like a year, it's nothing new for me." grr.
I took a class a couple of years ago called "The History Of Indie Rock"...there were so many music snobs/hipsters in that class it was nauseating. I seriously think one guy made up bands and albums just so he could look cool. It was ridiculous. I have a strong distaste for music snobs.
I was going to take a history of rock and roll class but I read about the teacher and apparently he was that way with music. And that sounds like a lot of people in my philosophy class, theyre pricks because they think they have thoughts that are worth more then the thoughts of others who don't study philosophy. That ruined the cclass for me. I much rather it be philosophy getting ruined then music though.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Mar 13, 2008 0:00:35 GMT -5
bamadancer said:
dcbee said:
To me, a music snob is someone who thinks that any radio play or commercial success means the band sucks and are not "real" musicians. And who refuse to admit that there are any redeeming qualities in such artists.
Basically being a snob about something means that you are so concerned about being cool, on the cutting edge, etc. that you can't see plain entertainment when it hits you over the head.
QFT.
Also, they must name drop very unknown bands and artists and act like they've been listening to them forever, ESPECIALLY if you just discovered them. When I saw Blitzen Trapper last night and was totally blown away by the show, this friend of mine was like, "Oh I've been listening to them for like a year, it's nothing new for me." grr.
I took a class a couple of years ago called "The History Of Indie Rock"...there were so many music snobs/hipsters in that class it was nauseating. I seriously think one guy made up bands and albums just so he could look cool. It was ridiculous. I have a strong distaste for music snobs.
I have no clue who Blitzen Trapper is. That makes you a music snob!
