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Dems seize on McCain's Iran gaffe Posted: 10:19 AM ET
McCain misspoke during a press conference in Jordan Tuesday. (CNN) – The Democratic National Committee seized on John McCain's apparent gaffe while discussing Iran Tuesday, saying it raises questions whether the Arizona senator "can be trusted to offer a clear way forward."
The misstep in question occurred during a news conference in Jordan earlier Tuesday, when the presumptive Republican presidential nominee repeatedly said Iran was supplying al Qaeda. Iran is predominately a Shiite country and is not aiding the Sunni dominated Al-Qaeda.
McCain ultimately corrected himself after Sen. Joe Lieberman whispered in his ear.
"I'm sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al Qaeda. I am sorry," the Arizona senator said.
DNC spokeswoman Karen Finney quickly pounced on the misstep.
"After eight years of the Bush Administration's incompetence in Iraq, McCain's comments don't give the American people a reason to believe that he can be trusted to offer a clear way forward," she said. "Not only is Senator McCain wrong on Iraq once again, but he showed he either doesn't understand the challenges facing Iraq and the region or is willing to ignore the facts on the ground."
McCain's campaign immediately responded, saying the "Democrats have launched political attacks today because they know the American people have deep concerns about their candidates’ judgment and readiness to lead as commander in chief.”
The DNC later sent out a transcript of McCain's interview Monday with conservative Hugh Hewitt, during which he appeared to make the same mistake.
"As you know, there are al Qaeda operatives that are taken back into Iran, given training as leaders, and they’re moving back into Iraq," he told Hewitt.
Related: McCain warns of increasing Iranian influence
Post by kingofcheezwiz on Mar 19, 2008 12:46:16 GMT -5
These aren't Freudian slips. These are the latest in a slew of lies to get the US to march off to war with anyone and everyone. Just like Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia, we'll always be at war with "Al Qeada".
Post by bamadancer on Mar 19, 2008 18:22:25 GMT -5
kingofcheezwiz said:
These aren't Freudian slips. These are the latest in a slew of lies to get the US to march off to war with anyone and everyone. Just like Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia, we'll always be at war with "Al Qeada".
I'm not typically a 'tinfoil hat' type person, but I have to agree with that one. It's popping up more and more these days...the other day I read something about Bush and he said that if we pulled out of Iraq it would "embolden Iran". Wonder why this name is coming up so often? hmm.
And good lord, if you're a candidate for the presidency, you should have your facts straight about the people we're at war with. I know people make mistakes, but that's inexcusable.
So let me get this straight, you guys seriously don't think Iran is funding Al Qaeda? Heh...I'm sorry, but 1984 is happening to a much greater extent in the Middle East than it is here.
I'm sorry, but you can't be held in a prison camp for 6 years and not be screwed up in the head afterwards. McCain scares me. Honestly, who can actually say that they want more of the same leadership we've had for past 8 years?
I'm sorry, but you can't be held in a prison camp for 6 years and not be screwed up in the head afterwards. McCain scares me. Honestly, who can actually say that they want more of the same leadership we've had for past 8 years?
This is a lame argument in that: *McCain is more qualified for president than the previous two presidents were. *McCain did not volunteer for prison camp *McCain in no way resembles a neo-con
I'm not saying he's a better candidate than Obama or Clinton, but the idea that he's going to go into Iran totally misunderstands the purpose of the current tension the US has created with Iran. It has nothing to do with Al Qaeda or terrorism. It has everything to do with oil and currency.
And it is in NOBODY's interest that America invades Iran.
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I agree that it is not in anyone's interest to invade Iran but, having lived there, I do think Iran is a country that we need to keep a very close eye on.
^^I don't know. I like Obama's rhetoric, but I fundamentally disagree with his political ideology. That is to say, I believe big federal government makes tax dollars easier for contractors to exploit, harder for social programs to work and easier for military power to spin out of control.
So for me, you've got three kind of crappy but qualified candidates. I tend to lean towards McCain and Obama at this point as the two candidates I would prefer to choose from, but Clinton wouldn't be too bad in my estimation.
Post by Christopher Shawn on Mar 20, 2008 12:09:03 GMT -5
Honestly Ron Paul was my man. My vote in the primaries and I still wish he'd fly independant. Small time government and internal focus, gotta love it. Im also interested in this new run by Nadar.
^^Nader's a good man, but the Green Party is international, and I have a major problem with that. If he ran apart from the Green Party, I could change my mind...
So let me get this straight, you guys seriously don't think Iran is funding Al Qaeda? Heh...I'm sorry, but 1984 is happening to a much greater extent in the Middle East than it is here.
Iran is definitely NOT funding Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda is a strictly Sunni organization. Iran is strongly Shia.
Iran does train insurgents to kill Americans and Sunni Iraqis. Much like the Saudis train Sunni insurgents to kill Shia Iraqis (and if Americans die it's just too bad from their point of view.) But Iran does not fund Al Qaeda.
Al Qaeda for Rep's purposes is just a scary word used to justify any and every thing they do.
BTW McCain's statement was not a gaffe at all. He today released a prepared statement to his right wing fans stating the same thing. Once again public correcting themselves to the media but reinforcing the delusion to his base.
every candidate has their flaws...i seem to remember hilary saying that if she won senator of new york that she would NOT run for the presidency...that to me is already a blatant lie...reminds me of another blatant lie, "i did not have sexual relations with that woman"...must run in the family
Al Qaeda just means "The Struggle". It's applied to any Muslim terrorist organization. And a lot of the money DOES come from the same places.
When I say, Iran funds Al Qaeda, I mean, Iran supports extremist Islamic terrorist organizations.
AND Iran does funnel money to Syria who supports Shia groups anyway.
What country doesnt flood money into some terrorist group these days? Hell we've been doing it way out in the open for years.
Very true. But sometimes I think we tend to react to the hypocrisy of our government by pretending the enemies they've taken aren't up to no good.
Iran is an oppressive, repressive regime. They associate with politically and morally repugnant regimes across the world. In a world of lesser evils, our government IS the lesser evil.
Further, on a practical level, American threats of an invasion are arguably responsible for delaying the decline of the dollar and keeping gas prices from going over $100 a barrel two years ago. Practically the entire free world is dependent on the dollar staying stable. This isn't just in the best interest of America, but any economic market tied into America.
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Upon reading the title only of this thread, my immediate response was NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama!!
But really, can we really know what is going on in any of these countries? I mean us normal folks? We don't know who is training who. I don't have trust in any news source to tell me what is going on halfway around the world. Especially when so much time is spent on Brittany Spears' disaster of a life.
Al Qaeda just means "The Struggle". It's applied to any Muslim terrorist organization. And a lot of the money DOES come from the same places.
When I say, Iran funds Al Qaeda, I mean, Iran supports extremist Islamic terrorist organizations.
AND Iran does funnel money to Syria who supports Shia groups anyway.
You're probably thinking of "jihad," which does in fact mean "struggle"...that more often than not is applied to a religious one.
"Al qaeda" literally means "the base." Some believe that the name actually comes from the "the database," which was a list of mujahideen contacts and operatives during the Afghan-Soviet conflict, many of whome stuck together to form the official group we now know. Ironically enough, bin Laden and his group had no real beef with us until the Gulf War when the Saudis turned down his offer to use his army to protect their oil fields within striking distance of the Iraqi Army in Kuwait in favor of us.
Al Qaeda just means "The Struggle". It's applied to any Muslim terrorist organization. And a lot of the money DOES come from the same places.
When I say, Iran funds Al Qaeda, I mean, Iran supports extremist Islamic terrorist organizations.
AND Iran does funnel money to Syria who supports Shia groups anyway.
You're probably thinking of "jihad," which does in fact mean "struggle"...that more often than not is applied to a religious one.
"Al qaeda" literally means "the base." Some believe that the name actually comes from the "the database," which was a list of mujahideen contacts and operatives during the Afghan-Soviet conflict, many of whome stuck together to form the official group we now know. Ironically enough, bin Laden and his group had no real beef with us until the Gulf War when the Saudis turned down his offer to use his army to protect their oil fields within striking distance of the Iraqi Army in Kuwait in favor of us.
Thanks for the clarifying my fuck up there.
Jihad= "the struggle" (which is interpreted many ways by muslim clerics if I've heard right)
Al Qaeda= Afghan/Paki based terrorist group we initially funded to beat the Russians
Al Qaeda as it is used in discussing terrorists organizations refers to Bin Ladin's group which started during the Jihad against the Soviets in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda became an official organization after the 1st Gulf War, when the Saudis offended Bin Ladin and the US left troops in Saudi Arabia.
Saying Al Qaeda is a general term is like saying republican, in US political discussion, means all of us because we all are part of the US republic.
My point was that you have to understand the various factions you are dealing with in order to resolve the situation. We've been treating every faction as if they're the same which inevitably leads to confusion and crossed alliances. There are many different insurgent factions and we treat them all the same, a strategy that will never work. It's not as simple as just us against the evil doers.
You're probably thinking of "jihad," which does in fact mean "struggle"...that more often than not is applied to a religious one.
"Al qaeda" literally means "the base." Some believe that the name actually comes from the "the database," which was a list of mujahideen contacts and operatives during the Afghan-Soviet conflict, many of whome stuck together to form the official group we now know. Ironically enough, bin Laden and his group had no real beef with us until the Gulf War when the Saudis turned down his offer to use his army to protect their oil fields within striking distance of the Iraqi Army in Kuwait in favor of us.
Thanks for the clarifying my quack up there.
Jihad= "the struggle" (which is interpreted many ways by muslim clerics if I've heard right)
Al Qaeda= Afghan/Paki based terrorist group we initially funded to beat the Russians
Al Qaeda as it is used in discussing terrorists organizations refers to Bin Ladin's group which started during the Jihad against the Soviets in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda became an official organization after the 1st Gulf War, when the Saudis offended Bin Ladin and the US left troops in Saudi Arabia.
Saying Al Qaeda is a general term is like saying republican, in US political discussion, means all of us because we all are part of the US republic.
My point was that you have to understand the various factions you are dealing with in order to resolve the situation. We've been treating every faction as if they're the same which inevitably leads to confusion and crossed alliances. There are many different insurgent factions and we treat them all the same, a strategy that will never work. It's not as simple as just us against the evil doers.
But don't you think they're just simplifying the term publicly to make it easier for them to carry out their own agenda? I mean, the problem isn't that we (being the federal government) don't get it. It's that we DO get it, and we don't necessarily give a doodie.
Better there than here seems to be the Bush motto as of late.
Last Edit: Mar 20, 2008 17:22:32 GMT -5 by dudezer47 - Back to Top
The Bush Administration calls everyone it dislikes Al Qaeda so it can instantly demonize them. This promotes fear, loss of oversight, lack of accountability, and unquestioning obedience.
McCain is just following Bush's lead as the easiest way of getting his supporters. Either McCain doesn't know the difference (scary) or thinks Bush's way is the best way to operate (scarier). Either way it shows weakness of knowledge or character, IMHO.
Post by SouthGA_Festival Machine on Mar 20, 2008 18:18:57 GMT -5
It's hard to go wrong catering to the ignorance of the average American. The number of people who still think Saddam attacked us and that wmd's were found in Iraq would seem to justify this stategy. Just look at fox news' ratings.
