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As many of you may have seen in some of my pre bonnaroo posts, I hate rumors concerning the roo! But here I am telling what most of you will consider a rumor. My dad lives in Manchester, TN. He has lived there for about 20 years and knows a whole lot of people. Despite how it looks during the roo, it is really a small town, so word gets around. One of my dad's best friends is a police officer, who was in the courtroom when certain paperwork or something of that nature (don't ask for specifics I don't know for sure ) came through to confirm the sale of the land that bonnaroo is held on to Superfly Productions. I do believe this is 100 percent true due to the fact that my dad and his friend are in there early 50s and are not the most up to date people. What I mean is they don't know who runs Bonnaroo, just like most of the city of Manchester. If he had said clear channel, or like most people mtv, I would have chalked it up to another rumor, but hearing my dad say Superfly Productions I knew it was for real.
Take it however you want, but I hate rumors and wouldn't have written this if I didn't believe it.
The clear channel thing seems to no longer be a rumor either, to the best of my debunking skills. from house of blues to bonnaroo--sucking out the soul of the nation--and trading it in for cold hard cash. fn bitches.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing. I think it is a great thing. Please go to the registar of deeds. I would love to know if this is fact or not. I assume it is, but until someone checks it out you can't know for sure.
Superfly owning the farm=not at all a bad thing. Implies a really cool place secured for many years to come no doubt.
Superfly in cahoots with clear channel=potentially real bad news. bottom line is that more than ever, it will be about the bottom line. large corporations stay in business that way.
Y'all thought Jim Tobin was a dick--lookout. It's dicks like him who make companies like clear channel their money.
"Don't tell me this farm ain't got no heart..." .... we just better water it down
Hey maybe they will move Wal Mart on site too. Cooool, 2 for 1 child labor, heady environmental exploitation. Melt your face off union busting. Lower wages=cheaper air mattresses. I can't wait for clear channel to buy everyone's farm. BONNARUTHLESS
He's still fuming over the total out-of-proportion blow of a Clear Channel spin off company buying partial stake in a company that Roo uses for online merchandise (it's almost as far away as Kevin Bacon buying Roo). It's not a big deal at all. Much bigger partners AT&T, Microsoft, Budweiser and VW are all over Roo (inside and out) but he's worried about this. The connection is not Superfly/AC Entertainment in bed with CC; It's more like a handjob when they were 14 under the bleachers. CC wishes they had the clout and clarity of Supes/AC.
ANYWAY.
As for the sale of the property, that is FANTASTIC news if so. We know they've been looking to do that, and to do it signals a longterm investment. As early as next year we could begin to see some major improvements (more permanent structures, less temporary fixes to some malady's). But more than anything it means Bonnaroo, on that farm, for YEARS.
Post by crazykittensmile on Aug 14, 2006 20:43:49 GMT -5
iskew said:
....(it's almost as far away as Kevin Bacon buying Roo). .... The connection is not Superfly/AC Entertainment in bed with CC; It's more like a handjob when they were 14 under the bleachers. ...
Post by crazykittensmile on Aug 14, 2006 20:53:22 GMT -5
also, this post reminds me of this song:
Rumors Lyrics Artist: Timex Social Club Album: Rumors
How do rumors get started, they’re started by the jealous people and They get mad seein’ somethin’ they had and sombody else is holdin’ Tell me that temptation is very hard to resist But these wicked women, ooh, they just persist Maybe you think it’s cute, but girl, I’m not impressed I tell you one time only with my business please don’t mess
Look at all these rumors surroundin’ me every day I just need some time, some time to get away from From all these rumors, I can’t take it no more My best friend said there’s one out now about me and the girl next door
Hear the one about Tina, some say she’s much too loose That came straight from a guy who claims he’s tastin’ her juice Hear the one about Michael, some say he must be gay I try to argue, but they said if he was straight he wouldn’t move that way Hear the one about Susan, some say she’s just a tease In a camisole she’s six feet tall, she’ll knock you to you knees
Will you look at all these rumors surroundin’ me every day I just need some time, some time to get away from From all these rumors, I can’t take it no more My best friend said there’s one out now about me and the girl next door
I can’t go no place without somebody pointin’ a finger I can’t show my face ‘cause when it comes to rumors I’m a dead ringer It seems from rumors I just can’t get away I bet there’ll even be rumors floatin’ around on Judgment Day I’ll think I’ll write my congressman and tell him to pass a bill For the next time they catch somebody startin’ rumors, shoot to kill
Will you look at all these rumors surroundin’ me every day I just need some time, some time to get away from From all these rumors, I can’t take it no more My best friend said there’s one out now about me and the girl next door
What’s mine is mine, I ain’t got time for rumors in my life I’m a man who thinks, not a man who drinks, so please let me live my life What’s mine is mine, I ain’t got time for rumors in my life I’m a man who thinks, not a man who drinks, so please let me live my life What’s mine is mine, I ain’t got time for rumors in my life I’m a man who thinks, not a man who drinks, so please let me live my life
Will you look at all these rumors surroundin’ me every day I just need some time, some time to get away from From all these rumors, I can’t take it no more My best friend said there’s one out now about me and the girl next door
Look at all these rumors surroundin’ me every day I just need some time, some time to get away from From all these rumors, I can’t take it no more My best friend said there’s one out now about me and the girl next door
Stop (Stop) spreadin’ those rumors around Stop (Stop) spreadin’ the lies Stop (Stop) spreadin’ those rumors around Stop (Stop) spreadin’ the lies
Stop (Stop) spreadin’ those rumors around Stop (Stop) spreadin’ the lies Stop (Stop) spreadin’ those rumors around Stop (Stop) spreadin’ the lies
Stop (Stop) spreadin’ those rumors around Stop (Stop) spreadin’ the lies
/AC.He's still fuming over the total out-of-proportion blow of a Clear Channel spin off company buying partial stake in a company that Roo uses for online merchandise (it's almost as far away as Kevin Bacon buying Roo). It's not a big deal at all. Much bigger partners AT&T, Microsoft, Budweiser and VW are all over Roo (inside and out) but he's worried about this. The connection is not Superfly/AC Entertainment in bed with CC; It's more like a handjob when they were 14 under the bleachers. CC wishes they had the clout and clarity of Supes
ANYWAY.
As for the sale of the property, that is FANTASTIC news if so. We know they've been looking to do that, and to do it signals a longterm investment. As early as next year we could begin to see some major improvements (more permanent structures, less temporary fixes to some malady's). But more than anything it means Bonnaroo, on that farm, for YEARS.
^^^^^extreme oversimplification^^^^^^^^
Music Today handles the ticketing. Music Today is NOW ruled by Clearchannel. In fact, the CEO of Clearchannel overseas the LiveNation/MusicToday division personally. Therefore, Clearchannel now runs the ticketing. Do just a bit of research on how they swallowed up the Dave and Friends Tour.
Anyone remember the Ticketmaster "handjob" ? Or the influence they have come to hold over some of your favorite artists ?
But hey, I must be just a pants pooper, trying to rain on everyone's Bonnaroo parade. Whatever. I have loved every minute of the last 5 bonnaroos. It has been a rock standing out in an ocean of doubt. My passion for this event and it's kind kind organizers has been unsurpassed. But I can read the writing on the wall, though I would rather deny it myself as well.
F it. It breaks my heart that such an event, rooted so deeply in the spirit of the Grateful Dead and other counter cultural experiments ends here with the fanboy cheerleading of sellouts who cannot even discuss leaving the nipple behind, even though the flavor and heady nourishment is about to be watered down in lieu of the bottom line.
See you in WalMart hell, unaccountables. Oh wait, we're already there. Gee how did THAT happen ? I guess it started with a simple handjob...
well you know i gotta throw in my 2 cents. i dont think its that big of a deal by itself but it is part of a long list of things that when put topgether point in the direction of selling out. actually they have been seeling out for years. there is jusy yoo much money involved for the greed to not set in. oh well i will continue to enjoy roo for a couple of more years before it will likely be 500 dollars a ticket to see 2 bands i like tucked away for latenight and the rest will be matisyahu, gnarls barkly and green day. oh well. at least they have shown that large scale music festivals are worth doing so hopefully we will have many festivals to hit that arent owned by mega coprporations. whether clear channel plays a major part or not is irrelevant. superfly itself is becoming the mega corp we all love to hate. my dad always said you are who you surround your self with. if all your friends do bad nuts then youll be precieved as doing bad nuts. superfly has chosen to surrond itself with towwer records and clearchannel etc... time and again they have chosen their "new friends" that happen to have tons of loot and marketing power and is selling out the people who got it to where it is. which is the only reason the bloodsuckers want anything to do with roo in the first place. im all for going with any company that will provide better services. or the same services at a better price. it should be about customer service. for superfly all of the decisions are being made with th sole intent of ass raping us out of every dollar they can.
in my opinion anyways.
Last Edit: Aug 15, 2006 12:45:54 GMT -5 by Dude - Back to Top
and also to comment on the original subject. if they do buy the site i doubt that it would sit there all year waiting for roo. maybe we could get a couple more festivals eaceh year. id be down for spring, summer, and fall roo.
^^^^^extreme oversimplification^^^^^^^^... In fact, the CEO of Clearchannel overseas the LiveNation/MusicToday division personally...Therefore, Clearchannel now runs the ticketing. Do just a bit of research...But I can read the writing on the wall...
Oversimplification? Do you really think the CEO of a major corp like Clearchannel personally oversees ANYTHING other than his cadre of personal whores and a tub of money that he rolls naked in?
Do a bit of research yourself: Musictoday's contract is year-to-year with Superfly. Moreover, their involvement has actually gotten SMALLER each year, not larger. MusicToday's brainchild the Krewe of Roo was mercifully killed after only one year. Again, how you've avoided noticing that many larger companies have had a much larger (and visible) stake in Roo before now is beyond me. Does nobody remember that Sam Goody was originally heavily involved? LiveNation has already missed a big boat with Roo in that AT&T Blueroom is handling live feeds and such (and is likely to do so again after a positive first experience).
So again, cry about the sky falling all you want-- we've still seen NOTHING to suggest anything really changing.
And the land being bought by Superfly is AWESOME. Case and point that a LiveNation or whomever is not buying the venue. I would assume that in your "research" you've noticed that LiveNation is primarily a venue-ownership conglomerate. Now they have a ticketing arm. This has more to do with Ticketmaster versus CC (with a CC arm LiveNation buying a ticketing and merch online service) than actual changes at our beloved festival. Here's to hoping they start a pricing war and there is actually some competition for my dollar with service charges dropping. So now LiveNation has a way to sell tickets for some of the biggest venues all over the nation WITHOUT Ticketmaster, and they can sell merch online.
So there's some meat for you in case my "oversimplification" before wasn't enough detail on why this is a wait-and-see and certainly not any reason to convince people with less attentiveness to these movements that "Roo is in bed with Clear Channel." This fails to give the people at Superfly and AC entertainment the benefit of the doubt, which in my opinion they deserve (and by your own testimony, it would seem).
To further the original subject of my hate for rumors but that I don't think this is one, I did hear that the plan would be for there to be atleast four festivals a year. Bonnaroo would be the only one of it's type (meaning Jambands) the rest would be country or (pop) rock. There is absolutely nothing to justify these claims whatsoever, so this is just a rumor that I really do not like to spread. The only reason I bring it up is that if the information about the land being sold is true, then this might be worth mentioning. I think it is very obvious that the land wouldn't be bought just to hold Bonnaroo. I do hope the other festivals are completely different from Bonnaroo, so that maybe we will have roo back to it's roots.
I think it is very obvious that the land wouldn't be bought just to hold Bonnaroo.
Eh, I'm not so sure. If they are planning on holding even five more years of Roo's it would probably be worth buying over leasing. And the biggest benefit is being able to put up permanent structures (thus completely eliminating all of the tear down costs). It's also likely very timely in terms of the lifespan of the original massive tents they bought in years one and two-- they either need to get new ones or start building and the costs just fall in line for buying.
That's not to say that over time they couldn't hold more than one festival there, but with all things Roo I would say changes and additions like that would happen slowly rather than fast (so they could use the first year or two of ownership to build). If they do in fact buy the land now, they have a good chunk of time to build-- some even before winter hits.
OK Folks, I just got off the phone with the Coffee County registrar of Deeds and she told me flat out, that Mr McAllister HAS NOT sold his farm to ANYONE!!!!!!!
He still owns all of the property and no entity even remotely involved with superfly/ac or anyone else with roo has purchased that property!
Squash the rumor for now, the farm ahs not been sold!
Think about folks, if you owned a 700 acre farm that was leased out every year for about $100,000 per 10 acres, would you sell it?
I wouldn't, I would keep on collecting that lease money!
Post by suspendedzen on Aug 22, 2006 17:58:38 GMT -5
suspendedzen said:
Yeah! You tell em reehash! Dint these guys see allthe clearchannel/mtv presence at this years Roo??!!
So, Ive lost 4 'karma points' since this little post...I should publicly admit that this was all sarcasm. Bonnaroo remains the highlight of my year, this year's was the best yet, and I cant wait for '07. I have zero conspiracy theories as to Bonnaroo selling out.
Don't sweat the karma points, homey. All these button pushers WISH they had the karma to burn to be dissing others who disagree. Nobody seems to dig healthy debate. I got your sarcasm. And I didn't go pushing no stinkin' button on ya neither.
But if that # DOES matter to you, just don't go dissin' bonnaroo in ANY fashion. Most of these folks don't want counterculture, they want acceptance. Maybe THAT will push the fear from their pathetic little panties. No one wants to talk about the change that is occurring right under our noses. They want to cheerlead. No one wants to talk about smaller bags of ice for the money. Or total crap official food vending with rising prices. Or 1400 dollar posession charges from the local sherriffs, absence of Cat's, presence of AT&T(government dataminers), etc. Bonnaroo farts rosemilk.
Yeah, it's still a splendid affair. I've admitted my love and addiction to it as well. I just can't believe that if you challenge a NEW partnership with a soul-less company(clearchannel), you are agreeing with ALL the rumours and you hate bonnaroo. The extreme polarity signifies scared little bitches who worry not what they themselves represent and support, but a number that tells how many strangers wanna be in their club. Happy FN mouseketeering
And trying to discredit fact by calling it a conspiracy theory is so 1970s. Maybe it's the "liberal press" spreading these rumours. Or non patriots who aren't supporting the troops.
Thoreau said, " Let your life be a friction against the machine." God damned conspiracy theorist.
It IS a good thing to let Clearchannel have a piece of your Bonnaroo money. They'll make the experience better cuz they care about you and your world. Just look what they've done for free radio and diversity. Maybe they can bring censorship to bonnaroo, as well.
Nobody seems to dig healthy debate. No one wants to talk about the change that is occurring right under our noses.
Seriously man, we love debate, but you can't keep rehashing and exaggerating things- you've made it clear that you desperately need your perspective heard. We get it. But when reality strikes, someone has to play the moderate here.
reehash said:
No one wants to talk about smaller bags of ice for the money...
Okay, well, let's talk. I didn't see any ice pirates, but I didn't need to buy it from the official vendors. This is the first I've heard of this. Was there a widespread issue?
reehash said:
Or total crap official food vending with rising prices...
Actually, I noted that the prices for crap vendor food was the same crap price as last year.
reehash said:
Or 1400 dollar posession charges from the local sherriffs
Are you suggesting that Superfly has been fixing the price of bacon? Are they showing up to town council meetings demanding that these fines be raised in the name of Clearchannel?
reehash said:
...absence of Cat's
Funny, Cat's was absent at the first Roo too- did we choose to forget about Sam Goody again?
reehash said:
presence of AT&T(government dataminers)
Finally, something worth talking about. I was squirmy about AT&T at first, until I saw what a relatively classy job they did. And their Blueroom has become quote a haven for some obscure acts I would have never suspected. So I'm a wait and see on them. As for dataminers, there's a lot worse. Including dear Microsoft who does the Arcade Tent.
reehash said:
I just can't believe that if you challenge a NEW partnership with a soul-less company(clearchannel)
See, this is the kind of thing that makes even people who agree with your suspicions turn their back on your comments. Superfly / AC Entertainment did not elect to begin a new partnership with CC. One company that does one service had a part of it bought out by a subsidiary. And we don't even know if that contract will be renewed. Lollapalooza has their stages named after Bud Light and we're over-analyzing a share-purchase of a side-service from a service provider who has had their services to Roo REDUCED in recent years.
If you want to whine, that's fine, go for it. But can we at least let some reality creep in here? The end-of-the-world talk when you aren't even responding to the comments and facts here starts to make you seem like the naked old guy with a sandwich board screaming up and down main street.
Must you clutter the board with your masturbatory posts?
I'd rather see the board dead during the off season than open up another thread and read your tripe.
i'm so devastated by your opinion of my opinions. And to discern my tripe from your own clearly makes you superior. Sorry to burden you so with my clutter.