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Like I said Rooskew--pure rosemilk ! No one seems to wanna hear it so I'll move on. Nice disection of what i had to say. nice that you highlight such a representative sample of what i had to say. And keep dreaming that things aren't on their way downhill with increased clearchannel involvement. i'm all about dogging on superfly--i can tell you'd rather blast me out of context than see any reason in where i was coming from. i'm just that crazy old "naked guy with a sandwich board blah blah blah" cuz that's intelligent debate.
AT&T-so classy a company. MusicToday/Live Nation won't be involved next year ! Good one. All this sponsorship has been an enhancement.
Funny thing IS, everyone bashing my "misinformation" was all hyped for the superfly purchase of the farm, which is the LEAST bonified rumor going. Anyways--i'm so done with this useless rocking of Y'all's little boat. it's a sweet sweet corporate world getting better all the time. repeat that a million times and it still won't be true. whether i'm naked and yelling or not.
I haven't been on Inforoo for awhile, and I'm the first to admit I don't know the specifics of CC, Superfly, and that whole corporate world, so take my opinion with a grain of salt if you'd like. But reehash, your posts are so repetitive and negative, it's almost aggrivating to read. You are right in the fact that it's possible, if not probable that big business will eventually control a majority of Bonnaroo. We can see from the past that this happens once its known that big money can be made. But your condescending tone suggests you feel the positive posters are ignorant, which totally isn't the case. There's a difference between being ignorant and naive and being hopeful or having a positive outlook on changes to come. If something is inevitable (CC's involvement with Roo, in your loud-and-clear opinion), why not accept it and hope for the best rather than point out the negatives and dread it?
Must you clutter the board with your masturbatory posts?
I'd rather see the board dead during the off season than open up another thread and read your tripe.
i'm so devastated by your opinion of my opinions. And to discern my tripe from your own clearly makes you superior. Sorry to burden you so with my clutter.
You can clutter the board all you want, but what do you hope to accomplish here? Will you answer us that much? I'm certain you won't, because like I said before, this is nothing more than you jerking yourself off. You seem to really enjoy baiting people on a message board. Is there anybody who hasn't got your tired "point" by now?
We understand your opinion, so give it a rest already.
however, roo is what *you* make it, not what corporate sponsor X makes it.
I dont like the whole CC owns the venue and tickets - hell, I just bought tickets to placebo today - 22 bucks...then 7 for convenience and another 3.50 for service charges. holy fuck me, half the fucking ticket cost in charges. but it aint gonna change.
...all hyped for the superfly purchase of the farm, which is the LEAST bonified rumor going.
Superfly's interest in buying the farm is not a rumor- the fact that they had already done so was the rumor. They have been very public in interviews that they would like to.
Sigh. It is just pointless. And at the risk of appearing like more of a special olympics participant than I already am by conversing with you, the flat fact is that ever since the very first Roo, the entire Roo experience has been about making sponsorships work for the experience. They are much, much more careful than other festivals about selling their souls (and have been from the start). Did they give AT&T some sort of high billing just for a wad of cash? No, it was for a relatively slick deal of filming and broadcasting (and probably some cash). They've tried to make the involvement work for them. And when it hasn't worked, they haven't kept things up just to make the money-- case and point: Krewe of Roo. Here is something from MusicToday that bombed- but probably could have kept sucking money down, but Superfly chose to kill it after only a year. I am hardly an eternal optimist, but I am for giving a company the benefit of the doubt and seeing where things are taken. I am also a realist and someone with an MBA, so I know how the bottom line can shape these things. And in an era where Lollapalooza has sold its soul so many times over, Roo stands out at having put their corporate relationships at arms length. I certainly hope they keep it there, but I will give them the chance to prove me right before I assume they will prove me wrong.
i try to stay out of these dicussions now a days. i hate cc as much as the next guy. but does it change anything? we were paying 40 dollars above the advertised ticket price anywyas. if your into paying the already 1000 percent markup on the merch then it might affect you too. it might be 10 percent more now. and i havent heard many people bitching about the at&t thing. that one seemed reasonable. i just worry that the clear channel connection will drive some artists away from the fest. let alone many fans. i cant even remember how many times ive had the "im not going to roo again now tthat mtv owns it" discussion at tother festies. the fact is that they are slowly selling out every aspect of roo. and it is turning poeple off. and as for the krewe of roo. it was something that didnt work for them. it was a half assed attempt at something for the consumer. and it didnt make them money or have an impact on ticket sales so they took it away. not some great move by superfly to make things better for us. just not making money so fuck it. at least they didnt have some mega corp take over that. i guess there is no money for anyone in providing services for customers. so they will just stick to taxing us up the ass on everything else. anywyas i cant wait for lineup announcements so we can argue about that instead of this crap
Last Edit: Aug 25, 2006 8:30:15 GMT -5 by Dude - Back to Top
Just to put my two cents worth in, I don't see what all the fuss is about. This year was my first Roo and I had the time of my life. I saw almost 20 bands for my $200 ticket. Plus I had free camping, didn't need cab fare to get home and met some really cool folks. I spent that same amount on four concerts during the year. I agree with dudewheresmyroo in that I can't wait until 2007 when we can moan and complain about what band lineup instead of the corporate takeover of rock n roll!
I wasn't gonna be pulled back but couldn't resist. 1) Demuzica--thanks for trying to understand. If you go and read some of my first posts RE: clearchannel, you'll find I didn't get preachy or pejorative until met with such resistance, like i am some bonnaroo Hater. 2) Aquarium--funny that what I write is masturbatory tripe, yet i can troll around here for just a few minutes and find posts of yours where you write nothing but that you are drunk at the moment--talk about clutter and masturbation. 3) Rooskew---All is explained oh so well in the world now knowing that you are an MBA holder---I'm sure it's not from a cereal box. Do you work at your daddy's company, or are you an administrative assistant, sucking balls so that one day, you too, may diddle a blackberry and feel better about what you have become. Either way, it's no wonder you are such a lackey. And so fearfully challenged to have made this all about me. Your last rationalization of a post makes that all VERY clear. Krewe of roo was a failure, bottom line, and that's why superfly no longer pushes it. Any of these C O R P O R A T I O N S of Clearchannel/ATT size, have little to give, and much to take from OUR bonnaroo experience. That is unless you wanna stay home and stream it. Or unless you think superfly is advertising so they can put 100,000 more people on the farm.
It all started with a small company with heart and a desire to bring a quality product to the fans---a natural evolution from Jazzfest. Everything is getting top heavy, so decisions are being made to increase the bottom line by expanding services(and service charges). Never have I ripped on Superfly for this. It happens. And when it does, the experience BEGINS to suffer. That's all I've been about from the get go. If you read up on the Grateful Dead's organizational experience, you will note the same model. Once you employ booking agents, photographers, roadies, lighting people, etc. , they all wanna keep their jobs. So it's up to the organization to make that happen. The Dead did it largely without the 'services' of the corporate megahype they opposed. With the increased presence of large corps at the roo, I have to go into deeper denial that it is coexisting in a formerly grass roots sort of setting, similar to how one must look away from the 14 year old pregnant girl selling fake smack.
Sorry folks, it happens at roo. And it IS about the experience YOU make it. But it doesn't mean you gotta ignore that it's happening or hate on someone who points it out. And I only point it out so vehemently, because people here have denied it so vehemently.
"Sigh. It is just pointless. And at the risk of appearing like more of a special olympics participant than I already am by conversing with you", said ROOSKEW.
That comment says alot about who you are as a person. You are WEAK so you pander to a previous poster for strength. You are AFRAID, so debate makes you feel like a MORON for STILL conversing with little ole me cuz I have NOTHING to add. I don't have an MBA so I must not be worthy(more like I'll spare everyone my own ego in not having to bonify my words by posting MY degree on a friggin' chat board).
Anyways--Peace out. Most y'all don't don't need to be hearing me rant like this. And the rest of y'all, I guess it's falling on deaf ears. Should've known better than to interupt your cheerleading clinic. I'll go back to lurking a few more years. It's a much funnier perspective to watch the short bus than to be trapped on it.
And DMBFANINTN, thanks for all you have done 'round here and realizing passion as more than"masturbatory tripe". And i don't believe it can be lumped in as 'negative passion'. The destruction of paradigm is a creative force. If we merely accept the world in which we live, we become more the taker than the giver. According to Gandhi, "WE create the world in which we want to be a part". And in THIS world, that's not always easy.
But I'm thinking deathreau's balls must be itchin' by now.
2) Aquarium--funny that what I write is masturbatory tripe, yet i can troll around here for just a few minutes and find posts of yours where you write nothing but that you are drunk at the moment--talk about clutter and masturbation.
It's all relative, willie. Also, there's a difference between stupid, drunken comments and page long tirades over the same thing, over and over, with no end in sight. Now shut the fu*k up and stop pointing out my hypocrisy, or I'll suspend you!^
idioteque, what are you trying to say? That they want to **GASP** make alot of MONEY!!!! Say it aint so!!! Oh God, the humanity! To think of a company that that wants to take money from funloving music fans who just want to see good music!!!!!!!! What kind of world are we living in?
Knox--I'd give an extra 50 for a ticket if i knew it were going to superfly and not clearchannel. I'm not married to the idea of freelove and music(though it sure sounds nice). I just like to believe in the people that I'm throwing cash at. That's part of what made it so special for me for the last five years. Maybe I'm stooopid and not principled. Maybe I'm stooopid for being principled. Maybe Pearl Jam and Thom Yorke and Neil Young and Bob Dylan are naive too. But Bob Dylan has been avoiding clearchannel venues for the most part for years by playing minor league baseball parks. Maybe he ought to wise up and warm up to clearchannel's 'services'...
And DMBFANINTN, thanks for all you have done 'round here and realizing passion as more than"masturbatory tripe". And i don't believe it can be lumped in as 'negative passion'. The destruction of paradigm is a creative force. If we merely accept the world in which we live, we become more the taker than the giver. According to Gandhi, "WE create the world in which we want to be a part". And in THIS world, that's not always easy.
Yeah, I am with ya on that! I think that one of the reasons I have not been fired from my job yet is that I have my boss convinced that "firey argument" and "passion" about my job are the same.
I have a lot of respect for someone who can stand up and debate what the believe to be the truth, especially in the face of opposition, wether I agree with them or not!
Respect to you Hash, you always stand up for what you think is right!!!! Even if you are wrong!
dmbfanintn thanks for checking out the rumor. I did start this post with a little information that I received from what I think is a reliable source. Turns out that even a reliable source can sometimes turn out to be bullsh*t. I heard for the thousandth time this year from a "local" (some drunk guy from memphis who was working the gate) that this would be the last year. I hate hearing that crap over and over again. I don't like passing on stuff like that so I was hoping that someone would confirm or refute this rumor when I started this post.
Being part of this board makes all of us the most well informed community on all things Bonnaroo. If someone hears a rumor concerning the festival let it be known to the rest of us and sooner or later it will be posted on this board as to whether or not it is fact or fiction.
Remember that this was Roo #5, and for the folks like Teine and I who live here in Manchester, EVERY year of Roo is supposedly the last year.
We have heard that rumor EVERY SINGLE YEAR, starting with year one!
I hear so may rumors about the roo around here that I don't even give them a thought.
Let me tell you guys when I will believe that roo is over.
When the arch comes down! I don't know if you guys are aware, but the centeroo arch stays up year round, you can come see it right now.
when that thing comes down, then I will believe the roo is changing, until then, rumors hold no water with me, I have heard way too many of them and they have ALL turned out to be false!
3) Rooskew---All is explained oh so well in the world now knowing that you are an MBA holder...Do you work at your daddy's company, or are you an administrative assistant, sucking balls so that one day, you too, may diddle a blackberry and feel better about what you have become. Either way, it's no wonder you are such a lackey. And so fearfully challenged to have made this all about me. Y..."Sigh. It is just pointless. And at the risk of appearing like more of a special olympics participant than I already am by conversing with you", said ROOSKEW.That comment says alot about who you are as a person. You are WEAK so you pander to a previous poster for strength. You are AFRAID, so debate makes you feel like a MORON for STILL conversing with little ole me cuz I have NOTHING to add. I don't have an MBA so I must not be worthy(more like I'll spare everyone my own ego in not having to bonify my words by posting MY degree on a friggin' chat board).
I only mentioned my MBA in reference to knowing something about decisions made for the bottom line. (Especially in a climate of declining ticket sales for concerts.) You do seem very concerned about where I work or whom I work for, and yet to tell you would just invite some different ire. But suffice to say no, I do not work for my "daddy's" company or work as an admin assistant. And I live in an area remote enough that Blackberrys are something you pick off a vine. Sorry to disappoint. And the fact that you didn't notice that my "special olympics" comment was in reference to a previous poster's joke says quite a bit as well.
Yes, I am deathly afraid, this is why I bother to respond to your hateful screeds. I only offer to take more measured account of what is going on, and not get so wound up that I actually start telling people that disagree with me that they are "ball-sucking." I'm sorry that you can't actually respond in a reasoned fashion and actually talk about things; or that you treat resistance with such insults and assumptions about people you know nothing about. I would hope that no one takes what you write and makes comments about your family, your education, your livelihood, your pride or worse, but instead actually tries to talk about the details of the issues.
Sorry Bud--Did I hurt your feelings ? Of course YOU didn't get personal or insulting at all. My "ire" was simply a reaction to how defensive folks-including yourself-got with the mere suggestion that cc being involved with roo is not a good thing in my opinion. The idea that said opinion was met with such resistance was menacing to me, given the roots of the roo, Again, in my opinion. Anyhow, it has all landslid into a horrific waste of time. I'm done. You win. I'm sure things will only get better with their involvement. The example, IN MY OPINION, has been to the contrary(with clearchannel, not precious superfly). But alas, I am but a MORON, who conversing with is POINTLESS.
By my estimation, you got all ruffled initially when I called what you said an extreme oversimplification. Much of everything from there on has been escalation on both of our parts. There were plenty points I had that you chose to gloss over, all the while using language that was pejorative. But now-I have attacked your family ?! Poor skewwy only deals in the facts. Doesn't have anything to do with belittleing the "Naked Yelling Sandwichboard guy". Or the special olympics guy that you are a Moron for continuing to converse with. All of YOUR language was strictly factual. Good one. And very apt screen name.
LiveNation/MusicToday handling of DMB and Friends Tour------not addressed by you. Ticketbastard ---will cause pricing war----good glossover ! Roofriendly artists who avoid clearchannel---not addressed by you.
To skew is to offer only one side of the story and ignore any evidence of the contrary.
To be an A$$hole is to accuse someone else of the very tactics you use while acting superior.
Maybe clearchannel is hiring and you can help them "serve" us better, MBA with knowlege of bottom lines. oh ultimate defender of all things reasonable. pah-leaze
Last Edit: Aug 28, 2006 21:04:20 GMT -5 by reehash - Back to Top
Doesn't have anything to do with belittleing the "Naked Yelling Sandwichboard guy".
I'm assuming you went back and read that to quote that, where you would have seen that I was warning that if we don't add reason to the debate you could be seen as that.
reehash said:
LiveNation/MusicToday handling of DMB and Friends Tour------not addressed by you.
Actually, I tried to- I was pointed out that MusicToday has gotten less popular with Roo and others. Also, that LiveNation thrives on exploiting the venues it owns, and it obviously doesn't own the farm.
reehash said:
Ticketbastard ---will cause pricing war----good glossover !
It wasn't a gloss-over, it was a hope for competition in pricing.
reehash said:
Roofriendly artists who avoid clearchannel---not addressed by you.
Not specifically, no. Just hadn't gotten to it. Of course, you never elaborated on the "ice price" gouging and other things we've asked you to explain either.
reehash said:
To skew is to offer only one side of the story and ignore any evidence of the contrary.
2. I don't see what all the clear channel talk is even about. It's not like they are going to take over Bonnaroo or anything. For those that don't know, Bonnaroo is a Superfly Productions trademark. That means only they can do Bonnaroo. I'm sure they could up and sell the festival, but that isn't going to happen. If it did then you could decide if you wanted to go or not, but we all know that it wouldn't be the same product. That would be like selling your local Mcdonalds to Burger King and then expecting to go in and get a Big Mac. We would all know that Bonnaroo had been sold (as I said before this board is very informed). Then we could see for ourselves if we wanted to still go. Some people may like it better than the original and some may hate (me included). Clear Channel has absolutely nothing to do with Bonnaroo and probably never will.
That is a valid topic to talk about. There is no reason to blast each other on the net. I don't care if you're an MBA, a lawyer, a doctor or whatever. For the record RooSkew was only stating that he had a frame of reference on this subject. If I was a doctor and the topic of a broken arm at Bonnaroo came up I think I would mention that I was a doctor in order to let everyone know that I knew what I was talking about. Just because one person is an MBA and I work at Blockbuster Video (which I do) doesn't make me more hip than them. It doesn't mean he's working for "The Man". Let's all let this Shiit go and quit blasting each other back and forth. That should be the end of it. It doesn't matter who got the last word in.
But Bob Dylan has been avoiding clearchannel venues for the most part for years by playing minor league baseball parks. Maybe he ought to wise up and warm up to clearchannel's 'services'...
Even artists have respect for certain companies, or- to look at it more bluntly if it isn't about respect, even artists have their price.
Skewy--You'll rip on me for not being done like I have tried a couple of times now---but then you bait me--again and again.
I hate that Bob Dylan sells his songs(andself) for commercials. I hate that Steve Earle sold "The Revolution Starts Now" to Chevy. I hate that Tom Petty did a war profiteer's daughter's bahmitzvah last fall. Perhaps they used the $ for charity--I don't know--I am not them. But it sure seems like they could stand against the rampant profiteering of art, especially given their monetary success, all the while singing about revolution, the man, etc. It certainly takes from their credibility in my opinion. Perhaps that is why I yoinked the new Petty as my first unethical download, instead of buying his latest and putting it on the shelf with the rest of his official releases.
But to blanket Apple with clearchannel is to miss my line of logic entirely. Apple adds to music and art. Almost similar to how Gibson adds to guitar, or Roland adds to keyboard, Apple can add to production. Perhaps I want to believe it for my own sake, but that is what goes on in MY head, and I guess, for the comfort of believing that Dylan hasn't sold his entire soul, I want to believe. Clearchannel is welcome if they have a product or service to offer at a reasonable price, that enhances our bonnaroo experience. I guess time will tell, but I have one HELL of a time believing that is what they have in mind, from their history in the industry.
I am not diametrically opposed to all corporations. My wife is somewhat of a 'player' at a pretty major one. She, with her passion, has brought a recycling program to tens of thousands of employees, on her own time, no less. Of course, now they benefit from the greater marketability of 'being green'. I suppose they are due that. If only the perception from which they benefit was surpassed by their effort to do it because it's clearly the right thing to do... ...
Clearchannel has monopolized the venue business, and with that has come the ability to flex a mighty arm with what goes on inside. And I have witnessed it happen over the last twenty years or so. And the experience has definitely suffered. Am i willing to sit by and quietly let them infest my precious bonnaroo experience ? Don't forget, they started small in the venue gig as well. Radio too. Huge giver to the Bush campaign--and rightly so. Michael Powell, former head of the FCC insured their radio supremacy. It's the way they operate.
Steve Earle and Neil Young have both commented on how Clearchannel sells them the rope with which they will hang. As a fan of both, my only muscle seems to be avoiding giving them(cc) any of my dough, if at all possible. I went to a FarmAid a couple of years ago at Polaris Ampitheatre in Columbus. It was horribly generic, with the Clearchannel partners making most of the money that could have gone to help family farmers. And all the while, I wondered why this couldn't be happening on a farm somewhere, where the neighbors made the money, and not the moguls. And I swore that I would try not to contribute to the process by which this kind of crap happens.
Problem is: most of us are so busy stuffing our fat asses and feeding our heads, that it all passes us right by... until we are baking one day, reminiscing about how cool bonnaroo used to be. like most everything else, we want to feel helpless. When actually, it was our lack of passion, that allowed it all to be stolen from us and sold back at a hyper inflated price-labelled FUN.
Sermon over. Wake up y'all.
p.s. Anyone not interested in my "tripe" may simply avoid this thread. It's not like I'm all over the board with this rant. Nor do I really care what ya might think of MY opinions. But I've got 'em, came upon them honestly. And there must be someone out there that can identify with, or even learn from what the "angry guy" has to say...
