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come on...sell out? i haven't heard the commercial, but thats a little much. the flaming lips have done it. hell even led zeppelin has "sold out", the immigrant song was used in Shrek 3 and they used "Rock and Roll" for those ford or whatever it was commercials...are they sell outs? its not selling out. if anything its expanding to a wider audience. when you see him on mtv and the quality of his music goes to crap, then he'll be a sell out. i'm not gonna go and smite you or anything but i'm just saying we need to ease up on the negativity around here.
come on...sell out? i haven't heard the commercial, but thats a little much. the flaming lips have done it. hell even led zeppelin has "sold out", the immigrant song was used in Shrek 3 and they used "Rock and Roll" for those ford or whatever it was commercials...are they sell outs? its not selling out. if anything its expanding to a wider audience. when you see him on mtv and the quality of his music goes to crap, then he'll be a sell out. i'm not gonna go and smite you or anything but i'm just saying we need to ease up on the negativity around here.
Post by SouthGA_Festival Machine on Apr 18, 2008 19:44:34 GMT -5
It's still selling out to me, but selling out is now acceptable and "everybody does it". I guess maybe it's part of the price to be paid for loss of income from file-sharing.
Post by crazycanuck on Apr 18, 2008 20:33:13 GMT -5
The reason I consider it a sell out.......all my non music loving friends have no idea of the talent behind that little "jingle" they hear when the commercial comes on.
It doesn't really serve any other purpose in terms of expanding his audience, as people aren't gonna be inspired to figure out who's guitar lick that was on the stupid Subway commercia. It's a money grab, and to me that constitutes selling out. Just cheapens it for me, that's all.
The reason I consider it a sell out.......all my non music loving friends have no idea of the talent behind that little "jingle" they hear when the commercial comes on.
It doesn't really serve any other purpose in terms of expanding his audience, as people aren't gonna be inspired to figure out who's guitar lick that was on the stupid Subway commercia. It's a money grab, and to me that constitutes selling out. Just cheapens it for me, that's all.
uh.... dude. no one is buying cd's. you can make a decent amount of money touring... and selling a jingle is probably the same as several tour dates. it's not selling out, it's them getting paid for thier art.
besides, would you rather hear RR or some shitty commercial jingle?
Yeah, I haven't seen the commercial, but I doubt it's a "sell out".
I mean, Saul Williams leased out one of his songs "List of Demands" for a Nike commercial that was an actually very well put together commercial, and the song fit perfectly.
I don't consider that a sell out, and if someone with the talent of RR were to do what he did, it's probably a good little jingle, combining, as Idioteque said, artistry with commercializing of a product.
Post by crazycanuck on Apr 18, 2008 21:08:29 GMT -5
Totally agreed. Downloading is great for us, but its killing the artists.
But on the flip side of that coin there are still a lot of artists out there that refuse to go that way. What used to be an enjoyable tune has now been ruined for me - a fan long before the Subway commercial. But at least RR is gettin some coin, and I can understand why he'd do it. Still sellin out in my books.
Neil Young and Tom Petty won't sell their songs to commercials. Of course, they have a lot more money than RR ever will. Even if RR keeps selling his songs to Subway and Cingular.
Post by strumntheguitar on Apr 18, 2008 22:01:30 GMT -5
I've never been one to be bothered by my favorite artists being played on the commercials. In fact, I actually enjoy it because I tend to zone out on the commercial and listen to the music. It actually has the opposite effect on me than what was intended... I pay more attention to the music than the advertisement.
These awesome guys can "sell out" all they want if it means I can enjoy some good tunage during my television sessions. They still make awesome music and sound cool.
When a band starts to make music based solely on what they think will sell or get them in an ad, that's selling out. When you create a song and someone likes it enough to want pay you money to use it in an ad - that's just business.
Take for example - there's this Nike soccer comercial that features a Man Man song - they obviously didn't make the song thinking "dudes, we could totally get this in a Nike ad." But someone at an ad agency obviously is a fan and it gets in a national Nike ad. I think it's kind of cool in a subversive sort of way.. and it just helps them have the financial resources to keep making cool music.
c'mon... i thought Happy Gilmore already set the precedent for endorsing Subway!
i didn't read this whole thread but i've seen it several times in the 20 most recent posts list... but i'd sell a song of mine for a commercial in a heartbeat... i'd make it a better cause than subway admittedly
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come on...sell out? i haven't heard the commercial, but thats a little much. the flaming lips have done it. hell even led zeppelin has "sold out", the immigrant song was used in Shrek 3 and they used "Rock and Roll" for those ford or whatever it was commercials...are they sell outs? its not selling out. if anything its expanding to a wider audience. when you see him on mtv and the quality of his music goes to crap, then he'll be a sell out. i'm not gonna go and smite you or anything but i'm just saying we need to ease up on the negativity around here.
I'm not saying RR is a sellout or not, but to say that being on MTV makes you a sellout, but using your music to sell a product is simply "expanding your audience" seems kinda backwards to me.
Post by StreetBum87 on Apr 19, 2008 9:29:00 GMT -5
sooo subway bought one of his songs.....i bought one of his albums.......just because hes sellin his music doesnt mean hes a sellout.....now if he had his own clothing line, or own shoe or something like that...thats a sellout
Neil Young and Tom Petty won't sell their songs to commercials.
While they may not sell their songs for commercials, they certainly have no problem using their music to sell movies. Petty's music has been used in fifteen movies (plus TV shows and video games). Same with Young. (And Petty did use his halftime performance to promote the Super Bowl this year.) I think that's a pretty slippery slope to official commercials.
I don't have a problem with bands using their music for commercial purposes. A lot of lesser known artists find a wider audience that way. (The most recent example that I can think of is Yael Naim's Mac commercial that uses "New Soul" to promote those inner-office memo size laptops.)
Besides, the upside for us is that the music in commercials sounds better today than it has for a while.
come on...sell out? i haven't heard the commercial, but thats a little much. the flaming lips have done it. hell even led zeppelin has "sold out", the immigrant song was used in Shrek 3 and they used "Rock and Roll" for those ford or whatever it was commercials...are they sell outs? its not selling out. if anything its expanding to a wider audience. when you see him on mtv and the quality of his music goes to crap, then he'll be a sell out. i'm not gonna go and smite you or anything but i'm just saying we need to ease up on the negativity around here.
I'm not saying RR is a sellout or not, but to say that being on MTV makes you a sellout, but using your music to sell a product is simply "expanding your audience" seems kinda backwards to me.
i guess it is but its kind of hard to argue a band/artist not being a sell out who you've seen on mtv. i'm sure there are a few (i wouldn't know as i never watch this particular channel) and it really depends on your definition of what it means to be a sellout. its pretty obvious there are quite few out there.
Neil Young and Tom Petty won't sell their songs to commercials.
While they may not sell their songs for commercials, they certainly have no problem using their music to sell movies. Petty's music has been used in fifteen movies (plus TV shows and video games). Same with Young. (And Petty did use his halftime performance to promote the Super Bowl this year.) I think that's a pretty slippery slope to official commercials.
I don't have a problem with bands using their music for commercial purposes. A lot of lesser known artists find a wider audience that way. (The most recent example that I can think of is Yael Naim's Mac commercial that uses "New Soul" to promote those inner-office memo size laptops.)
Besides, the upside for us is that the music in commercials sounds better today than it has for a while.
Yeah, "Where The Buffalo Roam" anyone? Biggest waste of Neil Young's music I've ever seen.
a good chunk of these songs that get put in commercials are sold by the record company. They've got a scary amount of control on the music they release.
