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I know they have the environmental one, but I'm talking about on a much larger scale in an air conditioned tent with authors, journalists and maybe even politicains giving lectures and then taking questions. They could have it in the morning before the music starts when its to hot to sit in your tent
xublue, you make an excellent point. I too would be in the political minority at roo. I was and am a Ron Paul fan. But, if I were to go to roo and fly a GOP flag to the highest point, I doubt I'd have a lot of company at my tent. I go to church to hear about God, I go to work to get paid, I go to the store for groceries, and I go to concerts/festivals for the music. IMO if an artist wants to ramble, they need to go to political rallies. However, as someone said earlier "when Eddie starts to rant, I'll go pee". I really enjoyed Lewis Black's set last in year. He blasted Repubs and Dems both. All this being said, I will leave my political affiliations at the gate and welcome all of you with love and a cold drink.
xublue, you make an excellent point. I too would be in the political minority at roo. I was and am a Ron Paul fan. But, if I were to go to roo and fly a GOP flag to the highest point, I doubt I'd have a lot of company at my tent. I go to church to hear about God, I go to work to get paid, I go to the store for groceries, and I go to concerts/festivals for the music. IMO if an artist wants to ramble, they need to go to political rallies. However, as someone said earlier "when Eddie starts to rant, I'll go pee". I really enjoyed Lewis Black's set last in year. He blasted Repubs and Dems both. All this being said, I will leave my political affiliations at the gate and welcome all of you with love and a cold drink.
if there are other like minded people out there - why has noone shown themselves until now? If you flew a GOP flag - i would find it - but I would not suggest doing it in the 'roo environment - we are sadly outnumbered there - LOL
well, a lot of artists political and social views help to form the music they make, so I really do believe they have every right to talk about it.
Perhaps instead of talking about their political views they should write a song about it and accompany that song with some awesome music. That would make more of an impact on me than wasting set time bloviating.
xublue, you make an excellent point. I too would be in the political minority at roo. I was and am a Ron Paul fan. But, if I were to go to roo and fly a GOP flag to the highest point, I doubt I'd have a lot of company at my tent. I go to church to hear about God, I go to work to get paid, I go to the store for groceries, and I go to concerts/festivals for the music. IMO if an artist wants to ramble, they need to go to political rallies. However, as someone said earlier "when Eddie starts to rant, I'll go pee". I really enjoyed Lewis Black's set last in year. He blasted Repubs and Dems both. All this being said, I will leave my political affiliations at the gate and welcome all of you with love and a cold drink.
if there are other like minded people out there - why has noone shown themselves until now? If you flew a GOP flag - i would find it - but I would not suggest doing it in the 'roo environment - we are sadly outnumbered there - LOL
Meg, you're a sweetheart. If I flew a GOP flag there would be chants of "crucify him". Just kidding folks. I was leary of posting here in fear of a onslaught of smites. There are 2 things in conversation that wil always incite people's passions in one form or another: politics and religion. I try to keep an open mind on things and will try not to ramble too long. There are 2 major political parties and each uses and screws certain groups of people in order to get where they are. Both parties are guilty of it.
well, a lot of artists political and social views help to form the music they make, so I really do believe they have every right to talk about it.
Perhaps instead of talking about their political views they should write a song about it and accompany that song with some awesome music. That would make more of an impact on me than wasting set time bloviating.
If you strongly believed in something and managed to work your way into having a platform that would allow you to voice your beliefs to hundreds, even thousands of people, would you stay quiet?
if there are other like minded people out there - why has noone shown themselves until now? If you flew a GOP flag - i would find it - but I would not suggest doing it in the 'roo environment - we are sadly outnumbered there - LOL
Meg, you're a sweetheart. If I flew a GOP flag there would be chants of "crucify him". Just kidding folks. I was leary of posting here in fear of a onslaught of smites. There are 2 things in conversation that wil always incite people's passions in one form or another: politics and religion. I try to keep an open mind on things and will try not to ramble too long. There are 2 major political parties and each uses and screws certain groups of people in order to get where they are. Both parties are guilty of it.
Oh - I would not worry about being smited here for a different political view - inforoo is a pretty open minded group and very accepting. All I have ever gotten was good natured teasing about being (as roofanintn call it) a Rethuglican - I just give it back and refer to them as Democraps. It's all done good naturedly and with love and affection.
Alright, someone accused me of making a good point, that doesn't happen very often!
While the artists certainly have every right to share their views and try to sway people, I would just prefer they didn't. Trust me, I won't be booing or anything like that, I just don't feel it is the time or place. They tend to generalize everything and put everyone in a box when in reality not everything fits there. I'm sure no one will be up there defending Bush, in fact, I'm sure he'd be demonized, as some of the things he's done are indefensible, but it's not like he's ALL bad. Just as in my view, Clinton was not ALL bad and so on. The things that go on in both major party's are often indefensible, one side does not have a hold on morality and righteousness.
Post by ronburgandy? on May 7, 2008 14:55:34 GMT -5
[quote author=xublue board=general thread=13151 post=347626 time=1210189969 I'm sure no one will be up there defending Bush, in fact, I'm sure he'd be demonized, as some of the things he's done are indefensible, but it's not like he's ALL bad. .[/quote]
your right..he wasnt bad for his rich oil executive cronies.
for the rest of the world, however, he is pretty much batting .000
I always feel "taken advantage of" when musicians start to wax political. It's like I showed up for one thing and was handed another.
"Out of the blue and into the black, They sell you this but they give you that...."
-Neil Young
says one of the more political artists ever. and the self described "uncle" to eddie vedder.
great art comes from a real place. i would rather an artist put what they want out there and have it come from a real place over trying to be uncontroversial and be palatable to the largest amount of people.
great art will sometimes piss some people off. the best art always will.
I'm sure no one will be up there defending Bush, in fact, I'm sure he'd be demonized, as some of the things he's done are indefensible, but it's not like he's ALL bad.
Nah, I'm pretty sure he is ALL bad. Really - name me one good thing he and his neo-con cronies accomplished in !) years.
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I understand there is a reason his poll numbers are in the tanker and I'm not here to defend him or his policies. I've been accused of being a neo con on occasion, but I just don't appreciate the generalities. I prefer smaller government and lower taxes, Bush hasn't really given us those things. Like I said previously, I'm currently working with the NAACP, Green Party and Libertarian Party on a political issue, does that make me a tree hugging lefty? I just think there are different sides to many issues and when people get a mic on stage they tend to simplify it way too much.
I can't remember if it was Lewis Black or another comedian but he said, "I can't be a democrat because I like to spend my own money and I can't be a republican because I like to spend my own money ........on hookers and druqs."
I almost wish there was more politics at roo like forums/speakers on certain issues in an air conditioned tent. With so many people at Roo and so many like minded people I believe it would be a good place to have an open discussion about what we, the youth want our country to be like.
They had somethink like this in Centeroo in 2002. Not so much w/ the forums but a group of booths, displays and such covering different social issues and such. It was the least crowded part of Centeroo...in fact it was downright dead. They didn't bring it back in 03. I guess when it comes to Roo more people are there to forget about politics than to hear about em.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
I understand there is a reason his poll numbers are in the tanker and I'm not here to defend him or his policies. I've been accused of being a neo con on occasion, but I just don't appreciate the generalities. I prefer smaller government and lower taxes, Bush hasn't really given us those things. Like I said previously, I'm currently working with the NAACP, Green Party and Libertarian Party on a political issue, does that make me a tree hugging lefty? I just think there are different sides to many issues and when people get a mic on stage they tend to simplify it way too much.
I can't remember if it was Lewis Black or another comedian but he said, "I can't be a democrat because I like to spend my own money and I can't be a republican because I like to spend my own money ........on hookers and druqs."
It's cool - I'm not saying Republicans are all bad - there are good and bad people in both parties. I'm sure you're awesome (I mean, you go to Roo - so you're cool in my book). It just seems like the Republican party has been hijacked by some really sketchy politicians, imo. What we need are the best and brightest people from both sides to come together and work to get things right in this country - political affiliations be damned. I think that's the only way we're gonna get anywhere, really.
I almost wish there was more politics at roo like forums/speakers on certain issues in an air conditioned tent. With so many people at Roo and so many like minded people I believe it would be a good place to have an open discussion about what we, the youth want our country to be like.
It would just be a bunch of Dems and hippies talking about how Bush is a terrible president and we should pull out of Iraq....blah, blah, blah. To be honest I hear enough of that everyday from my friends so I would rather not hear it at roo.
I almost wish there was more politics at roo like forums/speakers on certain issues in an air conditioned tent. With so many people at Roo and so many like minded people I believe it would be a good place to have an open discussion about what we, the youth want our country to be like.
It would just be a bunch of Dems and hippies talking about how Bush is a terrible president and we should pull out of Iraq....blah, blah, blah. To be honest I hear enough of that everyday from my friends so I would rather not hear it at roo.
and that's why you could just walk on past the tent and chuckle while the people that did want to hear it would be inside
It would just be a bunch of Dems and hippies talking about how Bush is a terrible president and we should pull out of Iraq....blah, blah, blah. To be honest I hear enough of that everyday from my friends so I would rather not hear it at roo.
and that's why you could just walk on past the tent and chuckle while the people that did want to hear it would be inside
well, it would all depend on who was invited, if I was the one inviting speakers, I wouldnt invite people with all the same views because that would just be redundant and boring, I'd like to have people from all over the political spectrum and maybe even get them to debte each other. who knows maybe its a bad idea, but I think it would be interessting its a shame that their never seems to be a convienent time for people to face and deal with problems our contry is facing.
un4given...I think you'd be surprised at how NOT alone you are, but I wouldn't recommend the GOP flag...bad idea.
I think I might fly a WILLIE NELSON for PRESIDENT!!! flag
who could argue with that? No sir, I won't be flying the GOP flag, lol. If I were to fly any flag it'd be the American flag. However, I am a huge Willie fan and have been for years. I respect Willie's stance. He has done a ton of stuff for farmers. Plus, Willie isn't a hippocrite. Lots of artists preach green this and green that, then go hop on a private jet. On the note of having a debate at Roo, there isn't anyway it'd work. I would assume 90% of the folks there would be Dems. Everytime a GOP would speak, he would be drowned out by a chorus of boos. It'd be like me driving up to a Black Panther rally in my pick-up truck. I'm sure there are quiet a few GOP's in this forum , but they remain silent for fear of being called a Bush-loving-right wing-neo con. I tend to lean to the right on most issues, but I hate to be type cast. The DEMs and GOP both shoved NAFTA down our throats. You just have to pick the lesser of the evils.
Post by tentseasurfer on May 8, 2008 21:37:05 GMT -5
I just but a nice American flag with a peace sign in place of the stars off of eBay for around 6 bucks..just got it....it's sweet, I'll be rocking that.