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Post by tentseasurfer on May 6, 2008 14:39:28 GMT -5
So without getting into long winded debates/arguments, I wanted to get everyones take on political activism and it's place at Bonnaroo. I realize and love the fact that the majority of Bonnaroo is about great music, getting wild, having fun and meeting awesome people from all over, but isn't it also a great opportunity to communicate face to face about the real true grit reality we all face? Personally I am so disgusted with politics that I will probably just leave it at the gate, but with the current political/global climate I'm curious to get some different opinions. Preferably without candidate name dropping...things could get ugly if it wanders into that old bag of chetnuts.
I generally leave politics at the gate but in '04 I did have this flag. Bush used the federal government's weather machine to create a monsoon to try and blow it down.
Post by strumntheguitar on May 6, 2008 14:58:56 GMT -5
Politics is one of the biggest reasons why I tend to get pissed off in reality, and I do not want to get pissed off during Roo (if that's even possible...) So I leave all my opinions on that matter at the gate.
That being said, I definitely do not mind a band/performer throwing his 2 cents to a crowd during his set
Personally - I go to Roo for the music not the politics but I do recognize that alot of artists use their stage time to express their opinions and fully expect it this year as it is an election year.
I happen to be in the minority at 'roo as far as political affiliations go so I just tend to tune out the artists ramblings and wait for the music to continue.
I almost wish there was more politics at roo like forums/speakers on certain issues in an air conditioned tent. With so many people at Roo and so many like minded people I believe it would be a good place to have an open discussion about what we, the youth want our country to be like.
I almost wish there was more politics at roo like forums/speakers on certain issues in an air conditioned tent. With so many people at Roo and so many like minded people I believe it would be a good place to have an open discussion about what we, the youth want our country to be like.
level of agreement= 100%
actually, PJ shows (eddie in particular) are usually pretty political. They are not shy in making thier views known. im sure with the gen election approaching that will not change at roo. in fact i exepect (and hope) its even more political than normal.
2004 was a very politically charged Bonnaroo. Lots of anti-Bush sentiment all around. It hasn't really been quite like that since - but we are in an election year again - so I expect to see it back heavier this year. Probably not on the same scale as '04 though when Bush was up for re-election. I mean - even though the majority of people at Roo are gonna be supportive of the Dems - it's hard to hate on McCain as much as Bush - for now anyway.
Post by ronburgandy? on May 7, 2008 8:54:01 GMT -5
actually i was just trying think of a more overtly political band than PJ (as far as a headliner for roo)..
radiohead- pretty political..but i wouldnt say thier shows are necessarily.
jack- nah, but the new album is a step in that direction, i cant see his show being too out there though
wsp- nah
phil- nah
police- nah
phil- nah
tool- nah
trey- nah
who else am i missing? PJ is easily the most politically charged show in the history of roo headliners. which is cool. im sure that may turn some peeps off..but eff em.
2004 was a very politically charged Bonnaroo. Lots of anti-Bush sentiment all around. It hasn't really been quite like that since - but we are in an election year again - so I expect to see it back heavier this year. Probably not on the same scale as '04 though when Bush was up for re-election. I mean - even though the majority of people at Roo are gonna be supportive of the Dems - it's hard to hate on McCain as much as Bush - for now anyway.
i agree that entire roo was pretty heavy..but the headliners certainly werent..
it was Dave, Dead, and Trey right? i missed some of the Dead b/c of the storm..but none of those three really deal with politics much during their shows.
I almost wish there was more politics at roo like forums/speakers on certain issues in an air conditioned tent. With so many people at Roo and so many like minded people I believe it would be a good place to have an open discussion about what we, the youth want our country to be like.
Word.
Roo is the perfect place to educate & mobilize. Political activism is an integral ingredient of the Roo stew.
I almost wish there was more politics at roo like forums/speakers on certain issues in an air conditioned tent. With so many people at Roo and so many like minded people I believe it would be a good place to have an open discussion about what we, the youth want our country to be like.
Word.
Roo is the perfect place to educate & mobilize. Political activism is an integral ingredient of the Roo stew.
exactly and if they had special forums throughout the weekend, it wouldnt be forced on anyone you could go or not go, up to you.
This is a tough one for me as I tend to be politically on the opposite side of most entertainers. I guess I would prefer to go to be entertained and not lectured to. I love Pearl Jam and can't wait to see them at Roo, but I could do without the political speech from Eddie. People should realize and appreciate that there isn't really a right and a left and one is always right and one is always wrong. All issues are not all black and white, cut and dried. I consider myself to be very fiscally conservative, but much more moderate to liberal socially. I am a registered republican, but in the past year have worked on two separate political issue campaigns with the NAACP, Green Party and Libertarian Party.
This is a tough one for me as I tend to be politically on the opposite side of most entertainers. I guess I would prefer to go to be entertained and not lectured to. I love Pearl Jam and can't wait to see them at Roo, but I could do without the political speech from Eddie. People should realize and appreciate that there isn't really a right and a left and one is always right and one is always wrong. All issues are not all black and white, cut and dried. I consider myself to be very fiscally conservative, but much more moderate to liberal socially. I am a registered republican, but in the past year have worked on two separate political issue campaigns with the NAACP, Green Party and Libertarian Party.
^^^and this is my stance on it - why does it always have to be either right or wrong? there are those os us out there that lean more towards the conservative side - but that def does not mean that we don't or can't agree with a lot more liberal ideas.
and I tend to agree with xublue about the entertainment aspect - Wayne kinda put me off the the Flips last year with his political speech - mainly because I was there to listen to music and be entertained and was not in the right frame of mind for it
Post by Britney's_Fears on May 7, 2008 10:36:36 GMT -5
I don't see any room for politics at Roo. I pay close to $1000 to attend Roo for FUN and MUSIC. Not to hear a musician spouting off about how this or that is f**ked up in this country.
I left The Flaming Lips show when Wayne started on his sermon about changing our government. (of course I was really sleepy too and just used that as my cue to leave.)
To be honest it's gonna be hard not to be p**sed off if I have to listen to a political sermon this year. Are you listening Eddie Vedder? And I'm not far left or right either way, I'm really on the fence about a lot of the issues.
I want to forget about this stuff for 4 days not be reminded of it by people who IMHO are not really all that qualified to talk about it.
actually i was just trying think of a more overtly political band than PJ (as far as a headliner for roo)..
radiohead- pretty political..but i wouldnt say thier shows are necessarily.
jack- nah, but the new album is a step in that direction, i cant see his show being too out there though
wsp- nah
phil- nah
police- nah
phil- nah
tool- nah
trey- nah
who else am i missing? PJ is easily the most politically charged show in the history of roo headliners. which is cool. im sure that may turn some peeps off..but eff em.
actually i was just trying think of a more overtly political band than PJ (as far as a headliner for roo)..
radiohead- pretty political..but i wouldnt say thier shows are necessarily.
jack- nah, but the new album is a step in that direction, i cant see his show being too out there though
wsp- nah
phil- nah
police- nah
phil- nah
tool- nah
trey- nah
who else am i missing? PJ is easily the most politically charged show in the history of roo headliners. which is cool. im sure that may turn some peeps off..but eff em.
As far as having to listen to political speeches, expect it at Pearl Jam. Eddie is very vocal in his political views. I think most on here know my political leanings, and I do not mind hearing it at shows, I just dont want to hear too much of it. we are hear for the music first and foremost....
Edit: Of course Franti or the Flips are not headliners.
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Post by masshysteria on May 7, 2008 10:57:40 GMT -5
Personally I would love it if the Daily Show and The Colbert Report were to do a special "Live from Bonnaroo" series of shows. Big venue, lots of like minded folks, and it is an election year. That is the only form of politics I would like at my roo though.
"That's the big thing about education. People can be book smart, but not really intelligent about anything else. A lot of times they just taking in all this information and regurgitate it. It's much more important to process it and personalize it. To apply it to your world, to your life. You have to walk the walk, or you can't really report about it honestly."
Roo is the perfect place to educate & mobilize. Political activism is an integral ingredient of the Roo stew.
exactly and if they had special forums throughout the weekend, it wouldnt be forced on anyone you could go or not go, up to you.
^^^Is exactly how I feel about it. I don't want any political view forced on me by any artist even if they fill the same way that I do. To each their own. Dedicated tents would be an excellent way to address these issues. Such a large venue is an excellent way to educate tho.
2004 was a very politically charged Bonnaroo. Lots of anti-Bush sentiment all around. It hasn't really been quite like that since - but we are in an election year again - so I expect to see it back heavier this year. Probably not on the same scale as '04 though when Bush was up for re-election. I mean - even though the majority of people at Roo are gonna be supportive of the Dems - it's hard to hate on McCain as much as Bush - for now anyway.
i agree that entire roo was pretty heavy..but the headliners certainly werent..
it was Dave, Dead, and Trey right? i missed some of the Dead b/c of the storm..but none of those three really deal with politics much during their shows.
Well - I wasn't really even thinking of the bands when I said that - I was thinking more of the attendees. I can't remember any specific bands I saw that year that addressed politics (not saying there weren't, but none I saw personally) - but it was all over the campgrounds.
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Post by tentseasurfer on May 7, 2008 11:28:38 GMT -5
I'm curious to see if Willie Nelson has anything to say...he has been very vocal about his disbelief of the official story of 9/11 lately.So has Janeane Garofalo for that matter. Obviously Eddie will have something to say. I'm more interested in everyone attending and if there will be any bold social/political statements, maybe a nice graffiti piece . I have to disagree with the person complaining about Wayne's somber political interlude last year. I was having the time of my life and when he stopped things to remind us all that while we are enjoying ourselves there is senseless killing going on across the globe it started to bum me out...but I found it very moving and I found myself seriously reflecting on it. To me that moment was just as intense and memorable as the rest of that supernatural show. I have to give Wayne credit for having the courage to do that mid set...that really takes conviction to grind that massive of a party to a halt to make a point.During 4 days of pure paradise I don't really think it's asking TOO awful much of us to just briefly acknowledge how lucky we are to be there and how much the rest of the world needs to experience what we share at Bonnaroo.
Well I know one thing for sure...I'll have my Peace/American flag and I'll be flying it at some point...if you see it, that's me, come over and say hi!
exactly and if they had special forums throughout the weekend, it wouldnt be forced on anyone you could go or not go, up to you.
^^^Is exactly how I feel about it. I don't want any political view forced on me by any artist even if they fill the same way that I do. To each their own. Dedicated tents would be an excellent way to address these issues. Such a large venue is an excellent way to educate tho.
they do. there was one small stage - had to do with environmental concerns. there were about 10 people there.
kinda sad really, given the crowd. they would be better off addressing the people between sets at the tents and stages.
but im not at bonnaroo for political and/or other forms of activism.
I have to disagree with the person complaining about Wayne's somber political interlude last year. I was having the time of my life and when he stopped things to remind us all that while we are enjoying ourselves there is senseless killing going on across the globe it started to bum me out...but I found it very moving and I found myself seriously reflecting on it. To me that moment was just as intense and memorable as the rest of that supernatural show. I have to give Wayne credit for having the courage to do that mid set...that really takes conviction to grind that massive of a party to a halt to make a point.During 4 days of pure paradise I don't really think it's asking TOO awful much of us to just briefly acknowledge how lucky we are to be there and how much the rest of the world needs to experience what we share at Bonnaroo.
Post by magnoliabread on May 7, 2008 11:43:28 GMT -5
Hmm, yeah, I wasn't even thinking about this in terms of what the performers have to say while they're on stage - - but that doesn't bother me much at all.
I have to admit, I agree again with lakai - that the "political" views of an artist are part of, or at least inspiration for, their work. (*Not just the general lib/con, rep/dem stuff - give people credit for having deeper opinions!*) In many cases, I've grown to respect & support my favorite artists even more when they speak out about what they believe.
I think learning about worldly issues & other peoples' viewpoints is a big draw for a lot of Roo goers, especially those like myself from small, uninspired towns.
Just a presence of people sharing information & opinions through booths, handouts, projects & such is a good thing. Even if it's just informally on Shakedown. You're reaching people who live all over the country, in an environment where they're open-minded, inspired, stimulated....people that care enough about a cultural event to travel & take time off from their life to arrange to attend it. And I'm thinking about topics other than just the war & the pres. election...there are a GAZILLION other causes to learn about & participate in.
