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I personally dislike the stereotype both groups present but I listen to mostly indie rock so hipsters are more tolerable to me. With the seemingly perfect split between jam bands and indie rock bands, the crowd will mostly be categorized into one of these two groups.
I went through my whole jam band phase. Then I realized, "This really isn't enjoyable. Stoned out hippies soloing for 20 minutes at a time in a song that has absolutely no structure and awful lyrics.. this is no good".
for me the jam bands are all about the non structure and the lyrics are often shitty, but some bands (moe. , widespread panic, yonder) have good lyrics.
i like some of the indie acts, but seeing music live is all that i really care about when it comes to music. the jambands never play the same show twice. different setlists every night, no repeats of songs before 3 nights.
i don't think most indie acts do that, i know when i was into them i could find the setlist online from a different show of the tour, and pretty much be sure that was what i was going to see too
*i like coconuts, you can break them open they smell like ladies lyin in the sun** *Hell I don't even know where I am** *for now I must sit here and ponder the yonder: The herbivores did well cause their food didn't never run** *We listen, if it feels good We shake** *You made a big impression for a girl of your size, Now I can't get by without you and your big brown eyes.**
" Much more prevalent at Bonnaroo are "neo-hippies" who advocate many of the original counterculture beliefs and ethics, yet maintain roles in mainstream society (have steady jobs, go to school, own homes, etc."
i feel if i had to fit myself into a label, this would be the most appropriate.
Maybe I'll throw myself to the dogs, but my back's not to the wall Maybe I'll lay some bricks for the man, but the days just aren't that long So if I settle back and chill will I see far enough to feel the angel's dream? I thought it was the Story of the World!
I would fall into the hippie category, by musical tastes alone, I don't have cable or listen to the radio, so most newer music is foreign to me. I also like high energy electronica under the right "circumstances", I am not sure which group that falls into.
Something tells me this thread is gonna start some shite.
Moe. Widespread And Yonder all play songs on back to back nights.
Not true!! WP has a policy that they never play the same song more than once over a 3 night period. In addition, they have NEVER played the same setlist!
Post by poopzilla33 on Mar 4, 2007 12:02:56 GMT -5
people call me a hippie, and i do support everythign the hippies supported and feel that society needs to be changed. but music wise, i can't be catagorized. i like good music, and roo has proven it knows what good msuic is. the flaming lips, sts9, tool, the white stripes, damien rice, widespread panic, tortoise, ween, bob weir. i listen to all those bands on a regular basis because they are good. labels are for sh*t-heads
people call me a hippie, and i do support everythign the hippies supported and feel that society needs to be changed. but music wise, i can't be catagorized. i like good music, and roo has proven it knows what good msuic is. the flaming lips, sts9, tool, the white stripes, damien rice, widespread panic, tortoise, ween, bob weir. i listen to all those bands on a regular basis because they are good. labels are for sh*t-heads
Post by trippindaisy on Mar 4, 2007 12:15:40 GMT -5
poopzilla33 said:
people call me a hippie, and i do support everythign the hippies supported and feel that society needs to be changed. but music wise, i can't be catagorized. i like good music, and roo has proven it knows what good msuic is. the flaming lips, sts9, tool, the white stripes, damien rice, widespread panic, tortoise, ween, bob weir. i listen to all those bands on a regular basis because they are good. labels are for sh*t-heads
Same here - my beliefs and outlook on life are what most consider being a "hippie", but music wise, I really don't see a label or genre that I fit into.
Post by AintNoFreedom on Mar 4, 2007 12:21:54 GMT -5
I think the moniker "hippie" is played out. It's just too general. There are so many different types of people and music and political beliefs that it just isn't applicable anymore. Look at Maynard James Keenan of Tool.... LSD advoacte, progressive politics... Hippie? Weird Al.... a vegan. Hippie? Frat boy who listens to reggae, the Dead and other jam bands... Hippie?!?
Has all their setlists. Look for yourself. You will see many songs that get played more than once in a 3 show period.
When Mikey was alive, there was near no overlap in a 3 day period for Panic. When George replaced him he didn't have the full 600 song library mastered so they did do more repeats in a 3 day period but still very few. A back to back repeats for a song for WSP is a very rare animal indeed. Unless you count shows that are technically back to back but separated by a large amount of time (ex: end of tour and then 1st show of next tour).
There is a scene in the DVD "The Earth Will Swallow You" where you see the process where they make they setlist and they actually go and cross off the songs played in the last two shows and start the new playlist from there.
i like tool. i like led zeppelin. i like robert randolph. i like rush. i like the beastie boys. i like black sabbath. i like stevie ray vaughan. i like beck. i like 80's metal. i like eric clapton. i like wolfmother. i like yes. i like phish. i like the white stripes. i like the who. i like the police. i like janes addiction..........
i don't like labels. i don't like you. labels are for clothing and soup cans. your're a turd.
Post by BonnarooDetective on Mar 4, 2007 12:47:11 GMT -5
I appreciate elements of both.
I was really into the jam scene from like 16-19, and it's great stuff to see live, jambands might not write the best songs, but they usually are talented musicians who can put on good shows.
I've always liked some "indie" artists. I can't stand most popular music these days, the radio is just awful. I like finding more obscure artists, and listening to music that most kids haven't heard of. Yet, I've found that some of these artists don't always deliver when I see them live. There are some "indie" artists that I got into, then saw their show, and lost a lot of respect for. Also, the "indie" category is very broad, depends on what you call "indie". Indie like on an independent label? or Indie in the hipster sense? I suppose etiher way, I probably dislike more of it than I enjoy. But its the only way to go for good new music these days.
But bonnaroo just wouldn't be bonnaroo without the hippies!
More on the jammy side. I dont' look like a hippie but I definitely prefer jam music more. Like other people mentioned, I like rotating setlists, fun covers, no song repeats at back to back shows, and the element of surprise that is there. You would be hard pressed to find shows by either moe. or YMSB where they played the same songs back to back nights. Maybe under certain curcumstances like someone mentioned before with Panic.
Post by macaroniandtuna on Mar 4, 2007 14:27:09 GMT -5
"Hippie" and "hipster" bring to mind connotations that don't really apply to Bonnaroo.
But personally, while I listen to a bit of everything (within and outside these two categories), I lean more towards jam stuff. Indie vocalists tend to have a whining quality about their voices, and that annoys me. Plus I don't pay much attention to lyrics, so if there are none (as in jams) that's perfectly fine by me. The music has to be interesting somehow without lyrics to maintain my interest, and a lot of indie stuff just isn't.
I listen to more hipster music than I do jam bands, but I dress more like a hippie than a hipster. I guess I don't have the sort of style sense that it takes to be a scene kid. And there's nothing like dancing in a long skirt. I constantly hear from my friends, "You are such a hippie" I tell them that I'm really just a poser :-) I shower, I have a job, I go to school, and I don't do drugs. On the other hand, I believe in recycling, I despise violence, I am vehemently opposed to the war in Iraq, and my job requires helping people. Oh, hey, guess what? I'm just Megan!!
Post by venusinfurs on Mar 4, 2007 15:07:34 GMT -5
I like a bit of everything, indie and non-indie, but I've never really dug the typical jam music that frequents festivals like Bonnaroo. I get bored easy and, no offense to jam band fans here, jam music seems almost as boring as elevator music to me. Just my opinion.
I'm not sure which category I fit in. I'm not pretentious enough to be a hipster, but I'm not dirty enough to be a hippy.
Post by blaklitekameleon on Mar 4, 2007 15:12:00 GMT -5
lizardking0729 said:
I'm A Human Being ;D
Word. Well said.
I balk at being labelled in either way. Yeah, I love The Dead, Phish, Gov't Mule, Les Claypool, and many, many other hippie bands, I have long hair, wear a little bit of patchwork, and have political views that could be classified as radical leftist, but I'm not a hippy.
However, I listen to The Arcade Fire, Tom Waits, The White Stripes, Neutral Milk Hotel, The Afghan Whigs, and probably hundreds more, but I most certainly am not a hipster.
I mean, I love ska, but I'm not a rudeboy, and I love punk rock, but I'm not a by-the-books punk, so why should this be any different.
Post by Veddie Edder on Mar 4, 2007 15:48:18 GMT -5
I listen to The Police, Black Sabbath, The Who, White Stripes, Led Zeppelin, Sonic Youth, Pearl Jam, Tool, Clutch, Willie Nelson, Wolfmother, Hendrix, Kings of Leon, Dead Kennedys, My Morning Jacket, Slayer, The Sundays, Rage Against the Machine, Black Angels, Radiohead, Neil Young, U2, Jane's Addiction, Rollins Band, The Doors, Soundgarden, Public Enemy, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Deftones, Ween, Fleetwood Mac, Primus, etc., etc., etc.,
Point is: I listen to everything from every genre of rock music, spanning five decades. I like it all. I will be going to Coachella, Bonnaroo, (Free) Ozzfest, The Police's LA Dodger Stadium show this summer. And if I could afford it, I would love to go to Lollapalooza again this year to see Pearl Jam headline (I'm not gonna make that one, though). I am neither a big fan of the jam band scene, nor a big fan of the indie hipster scene. I like THE ROCK. So I like elements of both genres. I have equal amounts of respect for Radiohead as I do for My Morning Jacket. But if I had to choose, I would take MMJ and the hippie scene. Hippies are friendlier, and the variety of the set lists of the bands is awesome. Plus, I have long hair (more in the metal/surfer style), so I am looking forward to 'letting my hair down' and being right in my element at this year's Bonnaroo. So I like you all and look forward to meeting all 80,000 of you in June!
When they come to take you down When they bring that wagon round When they come to call on you and drag your poor body down Just one thing I ask of you, just one thing for me Please forget you know my name, my darling sugaree Shake it, shake it sugaree, just dont tell them that you know me
Post by unplugdacusticaz on Mar 4, 2007 17:14:07 GMT -5
Labeling people is one of the stupidest things someone could do. Just cause I listen to a certain style of music doens't make me a certain type of person. I listen to everything from bluegrass to heavy metal! So how do you label that?? Stupid thread.
When they come to take you down When they bring that wagon round When they come to call on you and drag your poor body down Just one thing I ask of you, just one thing for me Please forget you know my name, my darling sugaree Shake it, shake it sugaree, just dont tell them that you know me
