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Hmmm...I haven't looked into W's history of visiting cemeteries or deceased soldiers, but after the cowardly act of terrorism at Ft. Hood, George and Laura were there with no media way before Obama showed up. I think it's ridiculous that anyone would try to paint Bush as someone who doesn't care about the troops.
You know....I'd give you W. He probably did/does care. BUT, I will never give you D.I.C.K. Cheney.
Ain't that the truth.
And about the Fort Hood thing I suggest people take a look at the lack of proper psychologists and lack of examining soldiers medications. There have been soldiers coming back murdering people for years, this was just the first time a soldier took it out exclusively on his fellow soldiers.
In a way the military itself and even us as a society is partially to blame.
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There have been soldiers coming back murdering people for years, this was just the first time a soldier took it out exclusively on his fellow soldiers.
I read that article you linked to in the actual magazine a few days ago, right around the time all the Fort Hood stuff came out. It was certainly a sad case. Interesting read for anyone who wants to know about some of the psychological treatment some soldiers received.
Hmmm...I haven't looked into W's history of visiting cemeteries or deceased soldiers, but after the cowardly act of terrorism at Ft. Hood, George and Laura were there with no media way before Obama showed up. I think it's ridiculous that anyone would try to paint Bush as someone who doesn't care about the troops.
I'm not saying he has zero care about the troops - I know he's visited other American troop cemeteries. Pretty much every President visits the U.S. troop cemetery in France when visiting for D-Day anniversaries.
Can we agree that it's ridiculous that he initiated wars with 5-6 years of his presidency remaining, and not once visited the graves of soldiers from those wars? I'm sorry, but that just seems wrong to me.
What really gets to me is the banning of photos/film of soldiers caskets returning. When I was a kid my Dad and I would make it a point to watch caskets return from Vietnam. He was a WW2 vet and a Vietnam War supporter and he felt we owed our dead soldier the respect of viewing there final return. Sort of thanking them as best we could. As such, Bush's ban felt to me like treating dead soldiers as an embarrassment or a shameful secret. It still bothers me to no end.
In a way the military itself and even us as a society is partially to blame.
No. Nobody is to blame except the criminals themselves. Never blame anyone else for one crazy lunatic's actions. It's his fault and his alone, no matter what, even if he should have gotten better care (and where would they send him for that? He was the psych doctor), still 100% completely his fault.
In a way the military itself and even us as a society is partially to blame.
No. Nobody is to blame except the criminals themselves. Never blame anyone else for one crazy lunatic's actions. It's his fault and his alone, no matter what, even if he should have gotten better care (and where would they send him for that? He was the psych doctor), still 100% completely his fault.
He is to blame for his own actions. However it is becoming apparent that most people knew he was starting to lose it, long before it was all the way lost.
In my situation - this means I will be hit with a very unexpected tax bill. My withholdings are set so that the government does not get to use my money all year - interest free - and then give me a lump sum once a year. So now - come tax season - I will, more than likely, end up oweing money to the government in a lump sum for something that I have definately not seen much benefit from over the past year. Any increase in my paycheck was so minimal that I did not notice it at all.
My financial situation is seeing change - but it's not good change so far
In a way the military itself and even us as a society is partially to blame.
No. Nobody is to blame except the criminals themselves. Never blame anyone else for one crazy lunatic's actions. It's his fault and his alone, no matter what, even if he should have gotten better care (and where would they send him for that? He was the psych doctor), still 100% completely his fault.
I cannot even begin to think about agreeing with this statement. They are the ones who should be punished for wrongdoing. Almost always there is someone or some group who is responsible for neglect. In a perfect world others would see when their fellow peers are starting to slip and be proactive in helping them.
Just because this man was the psych doctor doesn't mean someone else couldn't have helped him...
In my situation - this means I will be hit with a very unexpected tax bill. My withholdings are set so that the government does not get to use my money all year - interest free - and then give me a lump sum once a year. So now - come tax season - I will, more than likely, end up oweing money to the government in a lump sum for something that I have definately not seen much benefit from over the past year. Any increase in my paycheck was so minimal that I did not notice it at all.
My financial situation is seeing change - but it's not good change so far
It's not really "unexpected" since you've just learned about it. But for many, it will truly be unexpected. Because you're aware of this, you also have the ability to change your withholding to avoid this problem. Now I understand how people would not want the gov't to hold on to their money - interest free - for a year. However, if the other option is to pay $400 during tax time, it's a no-brainer. If you are part of the 10+% of taxpayers who got extra money from the gov't and held it all year - interest free - isn't that kind of the same thing, only the other way around?
Because you're aware of this, you also have the ability to change your withholding to avoid this problem.
with 3 paychecks left in the year and it takes 1-2 pay periods for the change to take effect - no - I cannot change my withholding to compensate for this.
Now I understand how people would not want the gov't to hold on to their money - interest free - for a year. However, if the other option is to pay $400 during tax time, it's a no-brainer. If you are part of the 10+% of taxpayers who got extra money from the gov't and held it all year - interest free - isn't that kind of the same thing, only the other way around?
I can tell you - if I got the money - I sure did not know about it. Maybe I'm an idiot at these things but $400 over the course of 16 pay periods (for me) - only adds up to about $25 per pay period or $50 a month - AND - if it was added into my check - it means that my mandatory retirement contribution was increased - which reduced the amount I actually saw in my paycheck. So - I have no immediate benefit yet I will have to come up with a lump sum of $400 to pay. Just doesn't seem right to me.
You received 800 dollars in tax benefits when you were eligible for only 400. The money has to be somewhere. I am sympathetic but it is part of the risk you take by not having withholding taken out. I would never do it that way personally unless I was a tax professional, and knew exactly what I was getting into it.
You received 800 dollars in tax benefits when you were eligible for only 400. The money has to be somewhere. I am sympathetic but it is part of the risk you take by not having withholding taken out. I would never do it that way personally unless I was a tax professional, and knew exactly what I was getting into it.
I do have witholding taken out - just enough to pay the taxes that are required - no more - no less - it works out for me - I have more money during the year instead of letting the government sit on my money - and it varies - some years I may have to pay a little - less than $100 and some years I get a little back - my salary does not fluctuate but Boz's does
I wasn't asking for sympathy from anyone about it - so sorry if it sounded that way.
I posted it more from the standpoint of WTF? Why has it taken until November for this to come out in the press that all of a sudden this many people will owe additional taxes? Why was all of this not made very public when the tax benefits were handed out?
In a way the military itself and even us as a society is partially to blame.
No. Nobody is to blame except the criminals themselves. Never blame anyone else for one crazy lunatic's actions. It's his fault and his alone, no matter what, even if he should have gotten better care (and where would they send him for that? He was the psych doctor), still 100% completely his fault.
Obviously you didnt read the article i linked too or my whole statement because that is who I was referring too. I was not talking about the psychiatrist who went on the killing spree, i'm talking about soldiers that were dealt with in an unsatisfactory way as far as their medical well being was concerned. When we raise killers, and set them loose they are sometimes going to kill.
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That's kind of scary, Meg. I wasn't aware of that til just now either. Like you said, no time to do anything about it now. Guess I'll cross my fingers til February (I like to do my taxes early).
Should Obama have bowed to leaders on his recent tour of Asia?
I didn't see anything wrong with it. As has been pointed out in numerous reports, previous presidents, from both parties, have followed local customs when visiting foreign countries.
Should Obama have bowed to leaders on his recent tour of Asia?
I didn't see anything wrong with it. As has been pointed out in numerous reports, previous presidents, from both parties, have followed local customs when visiting foreign countries.
I think this is a question that I am sick of hearing. Who cares if he did? Seems to me that following local customs wherever you are would be the proper thing to do.
The other thing I am sick of is all the people who keep emailing me pictures of Obama where he has failed to put his hand on his heart while those around him salute or have their hands on their hearts. Come on people - give it a rest
I cannot even begin to think about agreeing with this statement. They are the ones who should be punished for wrongdoing. Almost always there is someone or some group who is responsible for neglect. In a perfect world others would see when their fellow peers are starting to slip and be proactive in helping them.
Just because this man was the psych doctor doesn't mean someone else couldn't have helped him...
Just my opinion that is...
Just because the military wasn't able to prevent a tragedy doesn't mean they are responsible for it. Yes, he probably should have had further help or counseling or maybe even been removed from his position. But you can't charge his doctors/superiors based on the speculation that he MIGHT not have done it had he received better care. He committed the crimes. Alone and by himself.
Sorry, I know we were moving on, but I felt compelled to respond And Obama's bow? Please I think Sean Hannity is the only one who cares.
Post by lordrockinhood on Nov 20, 2009 14:51:45 GMT -5
^^^ Beacause all of NYC... ESPECIALLY Downtown Manhattan... hasn't had enough difficulty in bouncing back and trying to move forward with their lives since living through 911 and it's aftermath. Hmmm, I know... let's hold it here and burden everyone down there with this brand new horror for a few more years!
I don't usually post in here, but this truly makes me sick
I cannot even begin to think about agreeing with this statement. They are the ones who should be punished for wrongdoing. Almost always there is someone or some group who is responsible for neglect. In a perfect world others would see when their fellow peers are starting to slip and be proactive in helping them.
Just because this man was the psych doctor doesn't mean someone else couldn't have helped him...
Just my opinion that is...
Just because the military wasn't able to prevent a tragedy doesn't mean they are responsible for it. Yes, he probably should have had further help or counseling or maybe even been removed from his position. But you can't charge his doctors/superiors based on the speculation that he MIGHT not have done it had he received better care. He committed the crimes. Alone and by himself.
Sorry, I know we were moving on, but I felt compelled to respond And Obama's bow? Please I think Sean Hannity is the only one who cares.
sorry, after rereading my post I realized I didn't make it clear with what I meant to say... I did not mean to suggest the military should be solely responsible or charged with anything. I meant to say the actual person who committed the crime should be punished an charged, but I think there are several instances where the military or society should have some sort of personal accountability for what has happened. The best possible outcome is they learn from instances like his and think "what can we do better next time to help prevent something like this from happening again"
now, what's the deal with this KMS/9-11 trial thing... I don't think I know anything about that at all??
Why would this burden the people? Especially for years? Seems like it will be very very very easy to get a conviction (death penalty). I don't see that as a burden.
These people didn't act as any part of any army or military, so I don't see why it should be decided by a military tribunal. Timothy McVeigh was charged in a civilian court.
No matter what we do, the media is going to blow this thing up (no pun intended).
Why would this burden the people? Especially for years? Seems like it will be very very very easy to get a conviction (death penalty). I don't see that as a burden.
These people didn't act as any part of any army or military, so I don't see why it should be decided by a military tribunal. Timothy McVeigh was charged in a civilian court.
No matter what we do, the media is going to blow this thing up (no pun intended).
If it's going to be quick, then fine , whatever ... but from what I gather, this trial could stretch out for months or possibly years... there will once again be snipers on rooftops, closed subway stations, security checkpoints, street closures and lockdowns, cops and armed soldiers on every corner, it will be a media circus, the traffic down there is already horrendous and this is going to make it exponentially worse, it is going to keep people from wanting to go downtown all over again... 8 years later and day to day life still has NOT returned to normal down there yet, just what they need is a GIANT target placed back over their neighborhood.
I'm not talking about what kind of trial these scum have, I'm talking about where this trial should be held, maybe somewhere far from Ground Zero with cornfields and a whole lotta nothing where police can easily control the situation and the impact on daily life will be minimal makes sense?
I'm just happy I don't live or work anywhere near that courthouse and I have strong empathy for anyone who does.
I don't agree with where the trial is taking place. I just hope they don't get some judge that will dismiss the case due to the waterboarding issue, or the fact that they might not have been read their "rights".
sorry, after rereading my post I realized I didn't make it clear with what I meant to say... I did not mean to suggest the military should be solely responsible or charged with anything. I meant to say the actual person who committed the crime should be punished an charged, but I think there are several instances where the military or society should have some sort of personal accountability for what has happened. The best possible outcome is they learn from instances like his and think "what can we do better next time to help prevent something like this from happening again"
now, what's the deal with this KMS/9-11 trial thing... I don't think I know anything about that at all??
Any doctor who is not providing proper care to their patients or any military superior acknowledging a risk or problem and ignoring it is not doing their job and should be reprimanded. So I think we actually agree
The KSM/9/11 thing is this (basically). Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a member of al-qaeda who is believed to be the mastermind behind 9/11. He is set to stand trial is NYC. There is all sorts of controversy behind this. One thing that I've heard is that he has not been Mirandized. However, I also understand that Obama has no intention of allowing any verdict other than guilty with the death penalty. I don't know what to think. I don't really understand why a non-American gets the privilege of an American trial. Then again, I don't agree with the death penalty. LRH makes some really good points that I hadn't thought of about the trouble with having it in the city.
I don't agree with where the trial is taking place. I just hope they don't get some judge that will dismiss the case due to the waterboarding issue, or the fact that they might not have been read their "rights".
So you love our country but hate our legal system and constitution? Personally I think we have the best of each in the world, and they will be more than capable of taking care of KSM. LRH I know it will be a problem to try him in NYC but in a way I feel it is proper, and right for the trial to take place blocks from where the crime was committed.
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Maybe I should say mistrust instead of hate.
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Non Americans have the privilege of an American trial all the time. That's the way it works. He committed a crime here in the US and must also stand trial here. If Timothy McVeigh were Canadian, would we have had a military tribunal?