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I have always battled different ways to have some electric power at the camp to run things like; Ipods, speakers, cell phones, fans, lights and anything else. I have used small generators but after awhile the noise drives everyone around you crazy plus gas. I have also used an old battery with two clamps that make a DC adapter(Cig lighter in car) then I plug in a DC to AC power adapter. That works but cant pull a lot of juice and normally blows the fuse or squeals real loud due to to much juice being pulled so I started searching and was wondering what yall thought about this product. Pretty neat, different ways to charge and you can find it for a decent price on some sites.
Post by Lawn Gnome on Feb 15, 2009 20:13:03 GMT -5
First off, karma for the find. I think a solar generator would be a great way to generate a nominal amount of power, especially considering I've never been on the Farm when there hasn't been an adequate amount of sunlight.
See that what I am saying about that. You could run a fan or anything during the day and it would just be coming straight from the solar panels. Plus you can charge it from your wall or in your car. Pretty versatile.
The XP-Solar looks pretty good if you aren't going to plug too much into it. Some back of the envelope calcs; 10 amp hour battery (an avg car battery is ~400 amp hours as comparison) @ 12 V = 120 watt hours 5 watt max solar panel * 14.5 hrs sunlight * 60% panel efficiency (not high noon solar radiation all day etc) = 43.5 watt hours/day panel output 43.5 watt hours * 70% charging circuit efficiency = 30.5 watt hours/day actual charge so you are not going to be able to fully recharge the battery daily on solar alone. I came across an Ipod charger rating of 12 watts, that sounds a little high, it probably has some wiggle room, lets say an Ipod draws 10 W. If it only runs an Ipod the power unit will give you 12 hours, providing it can deliver 10 W all the way to the end of charge (btw, it is NOT a good idea to run even a deep cycle battery like this one's AGM unit down to 0 charge). If you start adding a fan (3 W for a small one), LED camp light (2 W), Ipod speakers (~10W?) you are talking about 25W draw (which isn't really a lot, compare to a 100W incandescent bulb) which gives you ~5 hours run from the charging unit. So it sounds like it wouldn't work, but the XP Solar can charge from a cigarette lighter! Given that an avg car battery is ~400 amp hours, you get a bunch of charges before you run your battery dead. If you are camping near your car (or bring an extra 12V battery and jerry rig leads) you can top off the battery every day so you would probably be in good shape! I haven't used any XPower products myself but I have heard good things about them. Sorry if I bored anyone, sometimes Scientist Leo just needs to get out. Also, I didn't double check my math, if anyone sees a mistake, by all means call me out on it.
Last Edit: Feb 15, 2009 20:50:14 GMT -5 by Leo - Back to Top
Karma for the calculations!! Very valid information. The main thing I was banking on would be charging it from my car and the solar is just a little extra juice here and there. I am still searching around for products so if anyone else has ideas throw them in. I would like to have a spending range of less than $160 if possible.
Now is the time to look for a used Honda EU (1000 or 2000) series generator. Check out Craigs list, there are desperate people out there that need cash. Then you can run the fans, charge the batteries on not p-off the neighbors.
I am still searching around for products so if anyone else has ideas throw them in. I would like to have a spending range of less than $160 if possible.
How handy are you with electronics? It shouldn't be a huge deal to actually rig up something that will work and not shoot sparks into the next tent. Buy a cheap car battery or better, a deep cycle marine battery ($50-80), a charger ($22) and an inverter ($30 for nice one @ 400 W). Charge the battery at home, hook up the inverter at 'roo and you're good to go! If you've had problems before (you mentioned blowing fuses and squealing) chances are the problem is the inverter. The small plug into lighter outlet ones are really sketch, something like; tinyurl.com/avtyy4 should work great. I don't mind putting together a parts list and basic plans if you want, just let me know (goes for anyone else too), I'm starting to think of doing one myself.
^^ Yeah I am actually pretty decent with rigging up things like that. The battery and stuff always works good sometimes and then sometimes it doesn't. It could very well be the inverter that I have used. It is a little older and is smaller. Let me do some searching around and if I need that list I will for sure let you know. Thanks a lot!!
I used a battery from Pep Boys and an inverter last year and it worked splended for my needs. We used it for cell phones, ipods and my magic bullet(twice). Just make sure you have it charged before you leave for the farm and you should be fine.
if i brought down a fully charged car battery about how long would it last...i don't plan on using it for anything crazy..mostly what people before have said...ipods, speakers, maybe a fan and a light...if it did run out would i simply be able to run some jumpers from my car to it to charge it back up??
It should last you if the battery was fully charged before you went and I also think that you are going to have to have an actual battery charger that is made to charge batteries. I could be wrong tho.
Post by viciouscircle on Feb 17, 2009 20:18:46 GMT -5
What's the difference between a deep cycle battery and a regular car battery? We got a pretty hefty inverter last year, I'm thinking it was around 2000W but I don't remember exactly. It was enough to run a blender and espresso machine on, but we ended up hardly using it because hooking it up to the car each time was too much of a pain, and the location of car and appliances just wasn't convenient. Could something like that be run off of a stand-alone battery or would we need to be constantly recharging the battery? I want my morning lattes this year!
What's the difference between a deep cycle battery and a regular car battery? We got a pretty hefty inverter last year, I'm thinking it was around 2000W but I don't remember exactly. It was enough to run a blender and espresso machine on, but we ended up hardly using it because hooking it up to the car each time was too much of a pain, and the location of car and appliances just wasn't convenient. Could something like that be run off of a stand-alone battery or would we need to be constantly recharging the battery? I want my morning lattes this year!
Basically lead acid batteries (like in a car) really do not like to be run down to zero charge. Sulfation of the lead plates generally starts to occur below ~75% charge and this reduces the battery life. Your regular car battery is designed to give a large amount of current in a short time (starting) and then getting charged right back up. They are particularly susceptible to sulfation. Deep cycle (aka marine batteries) are designed to give a lower amount of current over a longer time. They are less susceptible to sulfation and can be run down more times than can a "regular" battery. They still will suffer some degradation but it will be less. As far as the inverter goes, 2000w is really pretty beefy. A blender will probably pull 400-500W, an espresso machine maybe 1000W? I don't have time to do the math right now but a regular battery shouldn't be taxed too much over the course of 'roo providing you are not planning on running a tiki bar. Even a 2000W inverter will only pull what it needs from the battery so I don't think it should be a problem.
Post by viciouscircle on Feb 17, 2009 20:50:19 GMT -5
Thanks, Leo! Your expertise is always appreciated. I did the math last year as if we would be running espresso machine, blender, and fans all at the same time, but we would probably just make espresso in the morning, maybe some icy drinks in the late afternoon, and that would be about it, so it sounds like a regular battery would be perfect. Could we recharge the battery with jumper cables and the car battery if needed, or do we need an independent charger?
Could we recharge the battery with jumper cables and the car battery if needed, or do we need an independent charger?
Ummm, I wouldn't. First off you run the risk of draining your car's battery to the point of damage or not starting after 'roo. I also don't know if a car battery can safely take a charge directly from another one. When you jump start a car you don't really charge the battery from the jumping car, you just give the dead car enough juice to start and then charge its own battery from the alternator. A car battery can, quite spectacularly, dump a lot of current across a short circuit (like a dropped wrench), I don't quite know what would happen if you hooked up another battery. It wouldn't be like jumping a car, you'd have to connect (-) to (+) rather than (+) to (+). Even if nothing extremely bad (something go boom) happened, I don't know that either battery would be happy. I'd really not recommend doing it.
Last Edit: Feb 17, 2009 21:10:22 GMT -5 by Leo - Back to Top
Post by viciouscircle on Feb 17, 2009 21:42:50 GMT -5
Good to know - and Sassbox thanks you! (It would have been her car that I blew up, thus thoroughly topping last year, when I dropped and lost the screw to her battery cable connector, immediately after saying, "it's really dark, if I drop this we'll never find it." We drove home with it duct taped)
I'll probably be rigging up something similar with an inverter and a Yellow Top. I'll probably wind up building a little enclosure for them too, maybe out of mdf if I can manage to protect it from the morning dew/ nighttime moisture.
After Katrina, we had a bunch of flooded VW's from a dealership that had little solar panels with cigarette lighter adapters to top off the batteries while the cars sat in the lot. I wish I could've kept one, as it would've come in very handy at these summer festivals.
im considering bringing a 1000watt portable generator thats on sale for all of 150$ is this taboo in the tent area?
It depends on what kind of generator it is, for $150 I'm going to guess it will be quite loud. A Honda EU1000is generator will set you back around $650-$700, this kind of generator will be quiet enough to have it run next to you and have a conversation. They run around 59dB.
im considering bringing a 1000watt portable generator thats on sale for all of 150$ is this taboo in the tent area?
I don't think I've ever seen someone with a generator in the tent only area. It probably wouldn't be looked upon too favorably unless it was virtually silent.
im considering bringing a 1000watt portable generator thats on sale for all of 150$ is this taboo in the tent area?
I don't think I've ever seen someone with a generator in the tent only area. It probably wouldn't be looked upon too favorably unless it was virtually silent.
...or you were making drinks for everyone within earshot .
it wouldnt do much, but if it was fully charged upon arrival and u charged it every day, then it should power chargers, radios, or a small light for the weekend
Neat idea, but it would take over 70 hours(*) of peak output from the solar panels to charge the battery. Might work though as a low power backup battery at home. The major problem is that high wattage photo-voltaic (PV) cell are still $$$$$
(*)7.5 amp hours (the page just said amps but I'm assuming) * 12 volts = 90 watt hours for the battery 90 watt hours / 1.26 W (max output of PV cell) = 71.4 hrs to charge