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regarding obama's tour--so jfk and fdr did radio and tv to "push" agendas, but they didnt physically travel anywhere...does anyone realize what it costs to fly his fleet of cars...i know its not cheap...and who is paying for it...you got it, the taxpayer
regarding colin powell--thats kind of a no-brainer...the guy was a democrat the whole time...he is now buddy buddy with obama...you put the two together
regarding obama taking time off for brackets and leno--the pres is scaring everyone, saying that if things dont get done right away, the sky will fall...crisis, catastrophe, crisis, catastrophe...the spending bill was on his desk for days, but he was playing basketball at home in chicago...its the hypocrisy saying we need to take action asap, but there is time for trivial things
i also was not a fan of bush, but would approve of huckabee or romney
When ur beloved W took office we were running at +$300billion surplus/year and forecasts were for that to continue until we hit the "Boomer" retirement bubble and needed to fund SSI and Medicare shortfalls.
Ur boy decided that the government didn't need all that money so it gave it mostly to the richest 1%, encouraged everyone to load up on debt they couldn't afford, and then started a war with no exit plan, no victory strategy (kinda like Katrina). The economy and the military have been trashed.
So last fiscal year the deficit (using GAAP) was $1.009 trillion w/ no end in sight for $1trillion deficits for at least 10 years.
QUESTIONS
How is this not W's fault? How is this the fault of a guy in office 60 days? What would you do different today?
i was drinking chimay last nite, and would loved for this debate to happen then...but alas, twas not to be
how is this not bush's fault...i never once stated that...he is partially to blame...however, lets not forget that it was democrats and the head honchos of fannie mae and freddie mac that said that everything was alright like five years ago...dont forget that they were warned by republicans that if they continued doing business the way they were, that it would lead to catastrophe...dont believe me, go to youtube and look for it
how is this the fault of someone sitting in office only 60 days?...well lets see...every decision that obama seems to make just makes the economy spiral even further south...standing by a tax-cheat who knew of ridiculous bonuses before signing more aid to huge companies...passing a huge bill (over 1000 pages) without letting congress, AND THE NATION, even have a chance to read it...what happened to going "line by line" through bills, and determining what was good for the country
YES WE CAN (tax the hell out of the nation, even though we're in a "catastrophe")...YES WE CAN!!!!!
i was drinking chimay last nite, and would loved for this debate to happen then...but alas, twas not to be
how is this not bush's fault...i never once stated that...he is partially to blame...however, lets not forget that it was democrats and the head honchos of fannie mae and freddie mac that said that everything was alright like five years ago...dont forget that they were warned by republicans that if they continued doing business the way they were, that it would lead to catastrophe...dont believe me, go to youtube and look for it
how is this the fault of someone sitting in office only 60 days?...well lets see...every decision that obama seems to make just makes the economy spiral even further south...standing by a tax-cheat who knew of ridiculous bonuses before signing more aid to huge companies...passing a huge bill (over 1000 pages) without letting congress, AND THE NATION, even have a chance to read it...what happened to going "line by line" through bills, and determining what was good for the country
YES WE CAN (tax the hell out of the nation, even though we're in a "catastrophe")...YES WE CAN!!!!!
No that was the patriot act that got pushed through without any say from public and people not allowed to read it. Oh and I think the medicare supplement bill did to making congress stay up past midnight without letting them leave until it went through...It has cost billions and billions and will cost billions more...To say Obama is to blame is still a stubborn neo-con misrepresentation. He said over and over again that it will take a year or little longer for this to get better. Did you really expect it to change the first 60 days? Really honestly who could do that?
i was drinking chimay last nite, and would loved for this debate to happen then...but alas, twas not to be
how is this not bush's fault...i never once stated that...he is partially to blame...however, lets not forget that it was democrats and the head honchos of fannie mae and freddie mac that said that everything was alright like five years ago...dont forget that they were warned by republicans that if they continued doing business the way they were, that it would lead to catastrophe...dont believe me, go to youtube and look for it
how is this the fault of someone sitting in office only 60 days?...well lets see...every decision that obama seems to make just makes the economy spiral even further south...standing by a tax-cheat who knew of ridiculous bonuses before signing more aid to huge companies...passing a huge bill (over 1000 pages) without letting congress, AND THE NATION, even have a chance to read it...what happened to going "line by line" through bills, and determining what was good for the country
YES WE CAN (tax the hell out of the nation, even though we're in a "catastrophe")...YES WE CAN!!!!!
Post by ChiefPemperToadWigginsky on Mar 22, 2009 15:34:47 GMT -5
My uncle died in Iraq in 2004, he was forced out of retirement and blackmailed by the gov't with his benefits. (served 33 years in Army) The man built schools in Panama and served in Desert Storm, he was the shizz. edit:: And for the record he was against this round of wars and was shipped off against his will. A close friend of mine just got back from Iraq, before he went he was level-headed, logical, soft-spoken, kind, and an overall good dude now he is an alcoholic, talks about how cool it was to kill people and randomly "terrorize" innocents to strike fear so they would snitch, he is rude, and is definitely hiding his pain and remorse behind this facade of being a badass. I don't claim that every soldier behaves this way or dies unjustly like my uncle but these are my two closest experiences with the war in Iraq. I won't stand behind Obama unless we get out of BOTH Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't trust Obama since he is still pro-globalization and backed by Corporations IMO, USA is going to crumble, its the way things go (especially gov'ts and nations) . I will be moving to Mexicaliforegon in 2013. PEACE!
this will actually be my last post in here, seeing as how i will never support obamas agenda (unless it became more moderate with way less spending), and i will never feel the animosity/hate towards bush that many of you have
i do find it funny though...bush is not running for president...he left office in jan...why is it that most people will defend an attack on obama with an attack on bush...i know im not trying to compare the two pres, i just point out what i dislike about obama and his policies
for the record, i was never for the war in iraq (i know, shocker)...i would have been one of the protesters on capital hill...however, i do not support a cut and run policy...i do not believe that the war is lost, because i never thought it was a "winnable" war (you kill ten extremists, and twenty more join...all ready to die)...i just believe that leaving things the way they are is not the right thing to do, and that a lot of good actually has come out of it...is it worth all the lives lost?...that is debatable...well, thats where i stand and im out
i was drinking chimay last nite, and would loved for this debate to happen then...but alas, twas not to be
how is this not bush's fault...i never once stated that...he is partially to blame...however, lets not forget that it was democrats and the head honchos of fannie mae and freddie mac that said that everything was alright like five years ago...dont forget that they were warned by republicans that if they continued doing business the way they were, that it would lead to catastrophe...dont believe me, go to youtube and look for it
how is this the fault of someone sitting in office only 60 days?...well lets see...every decision that obama seems to make just makes the economy spiral even further south...standing by a tax-cheat who knew of ridiculous bonuses before signing more aid to huge companies...passing a huge bill (over 1000 pages) without letting congress, AND THE NATION, even have a chance to read it...what happened to going "line by line" through bills, and determining what was good for the country
YES WE CAN (tax the hell out of the nation, even though we're in a "catastrophe")...YES WE CAN!!!!!
Posts like this do not belong in this thread - there isn't even any mention of war ...and I actually gave her karma because I agree with some of the things she said.
I see another quote that is verifiable bullshit, and I'm going to call it out as such:
Now let's everybody knock it the quack off with the political talk unless it pertains to either our way into or out of Iraq and/or Afghanistan, the human/financial/diplomatic costs of this war, the military-industrial complex, or things of a similar nature.
dude...mexico and canada should talk and take over us that way we'd have universal health care and legal corn!
Yeah! and then the gangs in Mexico can start killing Americans over their beloved corn! Great idea!
My mom's friend is an Army Ranger. I think he has been on 3 tours already. Brilliant guy too. He was on Jeopardy and I think he graduated from Harvard. Could have done anything he wanted and could have made a boat load. But instead he became a military man. He sent me some money with Saddam on it before Iraq created new currency.
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this will actually be my last post in here, seeing as how i will never support obamas agenda (unless it became more moderate with way less spending), and i will never feel the animosity/hate towards bush that many of you have
i do find it funny though...bush is not running for president...he left office in jan...why is it that most people will defend an attack on obama with an attack on bush...i know im not trying to compare the two pres, i just point out what i dislike about obama and his policies
for the record, i was never for the war in iraq (i know, shocker)...i would have been one of the protesters on capital hill...however, i do not support a cut and run policy...i do not believe that the war is lost, because i never thought it was a "winnable" war (you kill ten extremists, and twenty more join...all ready to die)...i just believe that leaving things the way they are is not the right thing to do, and that a lot of good actually has come out of it...is it worth all the lives lost?...that is debatable...well, thats where i stand and im out