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Post by itrainmonkeys on Apr 16, 2012 12:31:26 GMT -5
The main reason they are doing a 4 month break isn't really because of storyline/plotting IMO. I think it's more about AMC having one of their TOP shows of all time (in its final season) dominating the entertainment talk in two separate seasons (meaning summer and fall).
AMC wants you talking about Breaking Bad and watching their other shows. It's entirely possible that they make us wait a whole year for the final episodes and show them the following summer.
Basically they are trying to capitalize on the popularity/success of Breaking Bad. Sure, they could show all the episodes in a row....but then the network/show is only buzzed about for this summer. If they split it then there's buzz this summer and whenever they air the second half.
^ interesting theory, except for the fact that while Breaking Bad is raved as one of the smartest, well-written shows on television, it's one of AMC's less popular shows in terms of ratings averaging only a bout 1.5 million viewers an episode, while Mad Men brings in about 2.5 million and Walking Dead averaging 7 million viewers last season.
The 4 month production hiatus is definitely going to allow more buzz and anticipation for the final half, but IMO I think Vince wants to do right by the fans and make sure to tie up all loose ends, not write themselves into a corner like he claimed they did with Season 3, and just create a well-paced finale that lives up to the promise of its previous seasons.
Post by Dave Maynar on Apr 16, 2012 12:44:42 GMT -5
To piggyback on what jp said, the article I linked also stated that the second half of the last season may get moved to the start of 2013 to benefit from a stong lead-in from the Walking Dead.
Post by problem dog on Apr 16, 2012 13:07:57 GMT -5
I'd be more upset about the 8 month gap if we weren't getting a 16 episode season. And I'm also expecting two distinct arcs. They'll probably have the entire season mapped out before they start shooting given that this is the end. Gilligan said he never wanted to do that again after breaking their backs doing it on season 2, but it's probably necessary to have all the pieces outlined leading up to the finale. I'm predicting episode 8 ends with something huge....probably a death, probably Hank.
Walking Dead was clearly intended to be split into two separate arcs broken up by the hiatus, but those writers are just horrible at developing their characters. Even if the first 8 episodes of Breaking Bad are just Walt and Jesse stuck on a farm, Gilligan and company will still find a way to make that advance the story and flesh out the characters.
^ interesting theory, except for the fact that while Breaking Bad is raved as one of the smartest, well-written shows on television, it's one of AMC's less popular shows in terms of ratings averaging only a bout 1.5 million viewers an episode, while Mad Men brings in about 2.5 million and Walking Dead averaging 7 million viewers last season.
Low ratings have never really been an issue for the show since it gets such great critical acclaim and has a huge fan following. I think it's more about spreading programming out so people have a reason to watch the network. That, and there's also the possibility of them wanting to be eligible for awards ( sometimes actors on shows aren't eligible depending on when the show airs).
I'm predicting episode 8 ends with something huge....probably a death, probably Hank.
I'm thinking episode 8, instead of Hank dying, Hank will (finally) figure out Walt is Heisenberg, and the 2nd half of the season will be a moral dilemma of Hank and Walt trying to figure out what to do before the feds come cracking down. Hank will try to cover it up to save Walt and probably suggest giving up Jesse and letting him take the fall. And Walt will have the moral dilemma of giving up his partner and protecting his family.
i'm thinking part 1 will have the action/suspense carried over from the aftermath of season 4, while part 2 will be little to no action and going back to the moral dilemma that was so prevalent in seasons 1 and 2, making a full story arch from beginning to end.
I don't think it will be that literal. I could see Jesse killing Walt at some point and taking over.
Jesse was never supposed to live past the first season, I just do not think he will be the big winner in the end unless Walt gets killed some other way and he takes off with the cash. To me the story has always been about Walt and I have always pictured it ending with him getting to the top, then having to live with who he became to get there.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Apr 18, 2012 10:35:27 GMT -5
I know Jesse wasn't supposed to live past the first season. But he did....which is one reason why I think he may make it out of this story alive. I'm dying to find out which direction this all goes though. I've been surprised more than a few times with this show.
There will definitely (should be) a showdown or standoff against Jesse and Walt. Probably in the last episode.
I still think that the 2nd half of the season will be the moral dilemma of having to choose between selling Jesse out to the feds and protecting himself and his family, or protecting his partner and taking responsibility for his actions. The two prominent themes from the beginning have been the moral dilemma of good and bad, and that all actions have consequences. I think that scenario would fill out both themes well.
But the major wrench in the scenario would be the jeopardizing of Saul Goodman and Mike. When they (somehow) find out that Walt is about to give up them and Jesse, they turn Jesse against Walt, manipulating him by somehow spilling the beans on Jane and poisoning the kid.
I don't think it will be that literal. I could see Jesse killing Walt at some point and taking over.
That won't happen. Walt and Jesse have had opposing journeys over the course of this show. Jesse started off as the mindless, reckless, relatively low moral criminal. Walt is slowly become that, except much worse, and Jesse is slowly becoming more human and less able to do the horrible things you have to do to stay in that business. I don't think he will kill walt, I think if anything, Walt will kill Jesse.
As far as the cancer being too literal or too obvious, look at any message board or blog comment section talking about Breaking Bad... nobody thinks Walt will die from the cancer. Everyone forgets that the cancer is the mainstay of this story. This show is, to me, about a man trying to take control of everything in his life to feel like he has control over it, but the one thing he can't control is the cancer, and I think that will be his ultimate undoing.
I think that he will eventually get to the top, he will defeat whatever gus' past has in store for him, he will evade Hank and the feds (though I could see him having to kill Hank to do so), and he will become the great and feared Heisenberg that he has always wanted to, only to realize that now that he is there, his life is empty, he has alienated the last few people who cared about him, and he is still dying of cancer. That feels like, to me at least, where the show is headed.
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
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