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John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
...and especially this year is that older crowds are much kinder and more respectful than younger crowds. I found the crowds with people more 25+ were much nicer, kinder, and gave you room. The younger, college-aged crowds, though, were rough, pushy, and kind of rude. This all coming from a college-aged kid who is not that.
Thank you older (not old, everyone at Roo is young) crowds for making shows much more pleasant
I totally agree. I mean I am 23 and my girl is 26, but, we are def respectful of our fellow brothers and sisters. We really wanted to see mgmt, but, about 2 songs in, our good time was ruined by a bunch of KIDS (16-20) so fucked up that they were bumping into us and other ppl around us. I also thought the vibe this year was not as great as last, but, its still not gonna stop me from heading to the farm
i really saw more young douchery at "hipster" sets, like animal collective, too many drunk kids trying to get to the front, and a girl sitting on her boyfriends shoulders crying that they couldn't see- screw you girl, you're towering above everyone and complaining won't get you closer, show up before the show starts like most people. but, being 23 i did meet a tonne of awesome kids my age that weren't into pushing, that weren't into talking about how much cocaine they did before springsteen.
i think its a certain part of the festival experience, and i think its alot of people that don't normally go to shows or festivals, they don't know the courtesy. we're all a family for 4 days and some people treat the rest of the crowd like the ugly step children, maybe they should get it in return someday. karma folks, karma.
but, on a happy note, i'd love to thank all the "older" folks i met! i even met one couple from austin that bought be a beer before gomez! they all had a lot of music knowledge which led to some great conversations, wouldn't have been the same without them.
Post by groovy_uv802 on Jun 21, 2009 21:31:22 GMT -5
i am glad we hammered out the difference between acting like a child and acting like an adult and everything in between. All those F*u*cking girl talk ravers only cared about themselves and only think in the moment, then ten minutes later they are carried out for not drinking enough water and taking way more than they can handle. The me-generation, which i am a part of, are a bunch of apathetic fools, it will be interesting to see what society is like when we grow up and replace the sell out 70's kids. This post also isnt to totalize these people, cause i am one and am not like this, but some of my friends are and some arent. The older people that go to roo are always gonna be nice, cause bitter old people wouldnt go near Roo.
I honestly never noticed much in the way of douchebaggery or pushy idiots, but then I was never very close to the stage. I think one time I got mildly irritated that someone walked up and stood directly in front of me for no apparent reason (I'm only 5 feet tall, couldn't see around them at all), but in general, a little further out than maybe most of you were, I had no problems. In fact, the only real issue I had with anyone all weekend was with some of the people next to where we ended up camping. I walked through the area (in tent-only) and found this large, unused space. I said "Hey there ladies, is anyone using this?" and one of the women in this already-huge tent and tarp complex was like oh... yeah we need all that space.. yeah we have more people coming.. so yeah no that's all our space. This was irritating because A.) The space was completely unmarked B.) The people I was talking to were all just sitting around under their shade, not setting anything up and C.) She refused to clue me in to how much space they actually needed and there was a lot of space around their tent city. May not sound like much of a complaint but she was kind of crappy about it like "Yeah so just get the hell out of here we are totally going to keep and use all of this land." Anyway, my whole point is that the lady in question and all of the people with her were in their late thirties or early forties I would say, and not one of them ever made an attempt to define the area they needed or bothered to come introduce themselves once we set up camp near them (though not in their precious space of which they ended up using very little for more campers). So hey, older people can be dicks too.
All those F*u*cking girl talk ravers only cared about themselves and only think in the moment, then ten minutes later they are carried out for not drinking enough water and taking way more than they can handle.
As someone who has been a raver for 10+ years and someone who lives in Pittsburgh and frequents Girl Talk shows...I just want to add that Girl Talk isnt associated with ravers. No "rave" would have Girl Talk play...and if you are just considering people that stay up late, play with glowie/blinkie things/and possibly take NO NO WORD!!! as ravers, then either Bonnaroo was full of 80k ravers this year or you have been misinformed. Someone is always trying to give ravers a bad name....
I'm 20, and I was getting pretty angry at the people during The Mars Volta. We'd waited a long time for that show and then people started pushing us to get closer. Mostly though during Shadows Fall and Coheed and Cambria I was livid. I'd waited for Coheed since High on Fire, and would move a little bit closer when spaces opened up. I didn't push and I wasn't rude, but when Coheed started a bunch of people showed up that were pushing me trying to make me move. I didn't, but I took some pretty nice scrapes for it. One guy kept elbowing me in my neck where I had a pretty bad sunburn, he was trying to raise himself up to see better. Two guys in front of me had been waiting since Dillinger Escape Plan for Coheed, and I felt bad for them because I kept getting shoved into them.
I haven't been to many concerts (2) and this was my first festival ever, but I still know that pushing and elbowing people is just rude.
Post by JustSoYouKnow on Jun 26, 2009 20:50:49 GMT -5
Dicks are Dicks. Any Age. I have always put my effort into having a good time, but some people of the me-generation put their efforts into getting what they want.
This was my 7th Bonnaroo. I'm 29 currently. After I encountered the rudeness of alot of 17 - 20 (Im guessing by appearance) year olds at various shows I decided that last year was my final Bonnaroo. When they announced Phish this year, I couldnt keep away. I found the same problems. Although its not just young people. Yes they are the ones who tend to be rude and pushy BUT it also seems like the 30 something crowd has a tendency to get obnoxiously drunk and rowdy. All in all, after a fest has been around for a few years theres always going to be a fair cross section of people who come to get messed up and not because they love the music.
I wouldn't generalize under 25. I would generalize anyone who isn't old enough to be in college. In 2006, I dealt with some kids who were 16 and 17. They were little a-holes. Since then, the only real douchebaggery I've dealt with has been from redneck metal dudes who probably have Bonnaroo confused for a NASCAR event and Roo goers of the high school age. I think life experience has a lot to do with it. Many of these younger kids have no idea how to act so they just pretend they're the kings and queens of their own Roo world because otherwise they would have to deal with the fact that the world is a big place and their identity is as part of a community and not as the balls of their respective school domains. And stuff.
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I wouldn't generalize under 25. I would generalize anyone who isn't old enough to be in college. In 2006, I dealt with some kids who were 16 and 17. They were little a-holes. Since then, the only real douchebaggery I've dealt with has been from redneck metal dudes who probably have Bonnaroo confused for a NASCAR event and Roo goers of the high school age. I think life experience has a lot to do with it. Many of these younger kids have no idea how to act so they just pretend they're the kings and queens of their own Roo world because otherwise they would have to deal with the fact that the world is a big place and their identity is as part of a community and not as the balls of their respective school domains. And stuff.
With time comes wisdom. Sure their are some things that should be common sense when interacting with other individuals but common sense isn't so common. Older people from my experience are generally much nicer, mellower, and helpful. But they also have more years of experience to learn how to behave and interact socially. Some younger kids fresh out of highschool or in college still think they have the world by the balls and the universe revolves around them. It's been my personal experience that the more you learn the less you realize you actually know. So it just makes sense that the older folks who have been humbled a few times and put in their place know how to act and respect others. Youthful arrogance is just a fact of life, its not cool but it is what it is.
Side note: I'd wager alcohol plays a large role in that kind of behavior as well. This year more than most because of the weather. Since their was plenty of clouds and the heat was pretty mild compared to years past it was alot easier to drink during the day/all day. Youthful arrogance and inexperience + alcohol + large crouds = good odds a douchebag will cross paths with you at some point.
nah not really. i'm fine with the locations of all individuals at concerts.
my girlfriend who is just under 5 feet tall would get annoyed when a 6'8" guy would push through the crowd to stand directly in front of her lol.
this happened at phish at knoxville, a few times at roo, and just this past friday at conor oberst and the mystic valley band. just when we find a spot that her short stature can get a view....a very tall individual finds his way through the crowd and stops directly in front of her.
nah not really. i'm fine with the locations of all individuals at concerts.
my girlfriend who is just under 5 feet tall would get annoyed when a 6'8" guy would push through the crowd to stand directly in front of her lol.
this happened at phish at knoxville, a few times at roo, and just this past friday at conor oberst and the mystic valley band. just when we find a spot that her short stature can get a view....a very tall individual finds his way through the crowd and stops directly in front of her.
bad luck
Tell her to poke them in the bum until they move, and that their ass is too close to her face. They'll feel bad and move aside.
Post by 811942891995 on Jul 7, 2009 0:12:49 GMT -5
ya the old people are cool and all but i always feel like my folks are watchin me when they roll up in their buffett shirts and goofyassed hats and all! im not tryin to offend anybody but its always the oldskoolers who give you shit for moshing or look at you funny fr dancin crazy or park there bigass lawnchairs in front of you or roll out 26 feet of blanket right in the middle of thousand of people and shit like that! that shit kills me!
For me, I did notice a bunch of younger spunions who seemed to value their good time over everyone else's. But I think I've seen that at every Roo I've been too. I think experience has a lot to do with it. Experience with concert etiquette and also knowing how to handle yourself under different circumstances. Some people can just be incredibly self absorbed in their own experience, which is weird cause that's kinda the opposite of what Roo is all about.
Im 6'8" and I always try to be thoughtful of the people behind me BUT... I paid to come too so I dont think I should have to stand in the back. hahahaha There always seems to be about a 4 foot circle empty behind me. That or I try to stand in front of people sleeping on a blanket. They arent watching anyway.
On the other side of the pillow... at heavier concerts I never complain about people asking me to toss them up onto the crowd to surf. (Which happens ALOT). I think it evens out. hahahaha
Post by itrainmonkeys on Jul 7, 2009 11:12:33 GMT -5
Being tall isn't really the problem. Most of the cooler, tall guys that would stand in front of my girlfriend realize they are tall and actually look behind them to see if they're blocking anyone. Most of them see her looking up at their head and smile and try to take a step to the left or right.
It's the super tall people who rush in and steal a spot in the middle of a show that bothered us the most. Like we'll be three songs in, perfect view. Everyone around us is there and has been there for half hour or more........than a tall dude pushes his way through and stops RIGHT in front of her face lol.
EDIT: Just want to clarify - she is more annoyed with herself being short than she is with others being tall. Her complaint would mainly be "I hate being short". She's actually pretty jealous of taller folk.
as for the older people....i don't have a problem with them. i always feel like i'm pissing some of them off when I light up some corn and they give me looks......but then I usually feel better about it when I see them pulling out a pipe or two.
Post by Fishing Maniac on Jul 7, 2009 12:05:43 GMT -5
I go to Coheed and Cambria after they started and my 23 yo nephew was already upfront hugging the rails. I pushed my 32 year old as up there through the pit and pulled off his baseball cap. Youth is a state of mind. ;D
ya the old people are cool and all but i always feel like my folks are watchin me when they roll up in their buffett shirts and goofyassed hats and all! im not tryin to offend anybody but its always the oldskoolers who give you nuts for moshing or look at you funny fr dancin crazy or park there bigass lawnchairs in front of you or roll out 26 feet of blanket right in the middle of thousand of people and nuts like that! that nuts kills me!
LMAO! FWIW, I'm 38 and still love to mosh and do some crazy dancin'. I also keep my blanket to a maximum of 20'.