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...and especially this year is that older crowds are much kinder and more respectful than younger crowds. I found the crowds with people more 25+ were much nicer, kinder, and gave you room. The younger, college-aged crowds, though, were rough, pushy, and kind of rude. This all coming from a college-aged kid who is not that.
Thank you older (not old, everyone at Roo is young) crowds for making shows much more pleasant
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I 100% agree as someone who will be 20 in 2 months. Those damn indie kids at Grizzly Bear and waiting for Mars Volta were pushy and impolite. The older people and the younger ones there for the jammy and country were much nicer and more patient. People just need to realize that although you might get lucky to expect to be in the front after showing 5 min before the show starts is insane. The other thing you kids should know is bitching about waiting 15 min before a show is scheduled to start gets really annoying.
Nearly all of the people I related to and had good conversations with were at least 5 or 10 years older than me. Some of them were older than that.
i'm a college kid and i don't really associate at all with that younger crowd that you are referring to but that crowd is definately there.
it seems to me that each year bonnaroo is gaining more of that obnoxious rude "lolla" crowd, generally speaking. i though phish was going to bring more of the kind heads that were absent last year but it really just seemed equal in comparison. no way to really tell though unless u make 4 clones of yourself, one for each stage.
I noticed the younger kids being a$$es before mars volta. I was 2nd row during mule and i was trying to get out and there were floods of young kids trying to push me out of the way when i was going the opposite direction.
Seeing that so far the only people to comment are in the age range that your bashing as well as myself and we all claim to not be this "rough, pushy, and kind of rude" crowd you are describing it seems like the numbers are not in your favor
but to me this is just an unreasonable stinkin pile of a stereotype and if you wanted to tell the old farts that you appreciate how courteous they can rock out with their c@ck$ out than you should have just said so... sweet and simple
I am 32, and after years of going to shows, and festies I think we have learned a lot, and are a polite bunch for the most part. It is just a fact of life that kiddies have not always learned how to behave nicely I would like to thing it is something they learn from the older peeps as time goes by. I know thats how I learned, and I certainly gave out tips, tricks, and the different ways to be courteous, and still get what you want to the 20 year olds camped all around me. When we left Monday most people had cleaned up and done a good job, and when I saw shows with them we had a ragin good time. So I say thanks to the kids that are not jackasses, and are behaving nicely at shows.
That being said almost without fail every rude or pushy person I meet at a show seems to be under 25, but that may just be me.
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I was disgusted by the group of youngsters after Merle Haggard who decided they were going to shove their way to the rail no matter what. At one point, one of them pushed me quite hard, so I turned around and politely pointed out I had nowhere to go (I wasn't going to run over the people who were trying to exit Merle's set). I guess that annoyed her because once I got on the rail, she proceeded to purposely smash up against me and shove her bag and hip into my hip. At the point I felt my fist involuntarily balling up, I decided to bail and motioned for the two small girls behind me to move to my spot on the rail.
Bad behavior comes in all shapes and sizes, but I agree with Jess in that nearly every bad experience I've had seems to come at the hands of 20-somethings.
I don't think it has to do with age so much as Roo tends to bring out people who don't have much concert going experience and are unaware of concert etiquette.
Yep those kiddos have no freakin' manners I am 28 and have to agree that the under 25 crowd was the range that annoyed me the most. I did feel that many (not all) were rude, impatient, and aggressive. I told Dallas I felt the crowd was generally more aggressive this year but that may have been the fact that I was less medicated this year.
This. I hung out with a 20-something crowd at roo and I'm twice their age. We didn't behave like that because we happened to be considerate of others. Nothing to do with age, more like festival experience and, frankly, good manners. When I was that young I never shoved folks, either. Even at Led Zep. The trick to navigating a fest crowd is to be like an electron - when a hole opens up, move in. I can usually get as close as I want without shoving. Except at MGMT! Or Girl Talk - Whoa that was a tight crowd - no way I was getting in there LOL.
I think lack of experience is a poor excuse but I have grown up at concerts so maybe I just don't understand that lack of experience. Still seems to me a little common sense and courtesy is all that is needed.
I don't think it has to do with age so much as Roo tends to bring out people who don't have much concert going experience and are unaware of concert etiquette.
That is a really good point I had not considered. I think the 30 somethings were so well behaved this year, because a lot of us were old Phish fans,and know how to behave at a show.
I don't think it has to do with age so much as Roo tends to bring out people who don't have much concert going experience and are unaware of concert etiquette.
Where is it acceptable to forcibly push and shove or throw beer bottles (which someone did at Merle Haggard, and hit my friend in the eye)? It's not about concert etiquette, it's about behaving like a human being and it shouldn't make a bit of difference if you've ever been to a concert or not.
I did notice an increase in young guy asshattery all over Bonnaroo during and following the DEP set, particularly in the throwing of bottles category. What I saw of the set was great, but it's definitely the kind of set that will rile more impressionable music fans up and perhaps cause a bunch of young guys to go around acting like jackasses trying emulate the band that just rocked their faces off the rest of the day.
Probably didn't help that virtually all the metal was scheduled on one day at the very end of the festival.
all I'm saying is that these kids just think its ok and acceptable to act wild at a concert, when I was younger and went to punk shows it was all about going nuts and squeezing in as close as you could to the front then going nuts jumpin arund when the music starts. As I got older and went to more shows I realized how much I just enjoyed to have space, I like to be able to move my arms, spin around and be free. Throwing nuts isnt acceptable, I'm just referring to pushing and being rude but I think they don't think they are being rude they think thats what you're supposed to do at a concert when your in the front and its acceptable to do whatever it takes to get up there which I attribute to inexperience.
Yeah, I can see your point for certain artists where pits are the norm or the music is a little more out there, but Neko Case and Merle Haggard? LOL. The shovers (is that even a word?!?) at Neko were teenage girls, no less! /ends old lady rant
yeah but what I'm saying is that with less experience they can't differentiate between the shows and act the same way they would at a pit because thats all they know.
Post by OldLadyRoo on Jun 17, 2009 20:55:45 GMT -5
Sorry to disagree, but I had a great experience with younger kids. I hit the NIN show a bit late and ended up trying to make my way up the VIP bleacher stairs. There was very little room but a bunch of boys all scooched over to make room for me... They were very nice and had great manners.....
Thank you older (not old, everyone at Roo is young) crowds for making shows much more pleasant
Your welcome. ;D I'm 42 but I don't feel old. Yes everyone at Roo is young.
My only complaint was with a few younger girls talking and using their phones during Andrew Bird's intimate show. I shushed one of them and she gave the most perplexed expression. When they continued talking I moved.
Post by rpowell0026 on Jun 17, 2009 21:23:15 GMT -5
My girlfriend and I (both 21) set up a human wall that no one could push past during Nine Inch Nails. We weren't about to give up our awesome spots in front of the soundboard that we waited for three hours to get. Especially not to some rude girls that repeatedly pushed up against our backs when we wouldnt let them past. They complained and talked smack about us, but we enjoyed the show none the less. Those people drive me up the wall.
...and especially this year is that older crowds are much kinder and more respectful than younger crowds. I found the crowds with people more 25+ were much nicer, kinder, and gave you room. The younger, college-aged crowds, though, were rough, pushy, and kind of rude. This all coming from a college-aged kid who is not that.
Thank you older (not old, everyone at Roo is young) crowds for making shows much more pleasant
I was with 4 teenagers and a 25 year old, and they were the ones that actually pointed this out to me. I totally agree that the generation gap was very noticable, so much so that they said they were embarrassed to be part of that generation.
Post by questionablesanity on Jun 17, 2009 21:59:11 GMT -5
This is my number 1 gripe about any show. Fucking kids acting like kids. I didn't see too much of it at roo except for kids arriving to a show late and pushing their way up front. I'll never understand that. I may make my way up front, but I'm not pushing anyone. If there is an obvious open spot, I'll take it. I did snake my way up front for a couple of shows to take pics but then retreated. I like my personal space.
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I feel like it's just common courtesy. If I hadn't been to many shows, I still wouldn't push people out of my way to get to the front. It's not just at Bonnaroo, though. I don't understand a lot of people my age in several situations. Not saying there aren't nice younger people, the ratio's just a lot less when compared to older people, it seems
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I feel like it's just common courtesy. If I hadn't been to many shows, I still wouldn't push people out of my way to get to the front. It's not just at Bonnaroo, though. I don't understand a lot of people my age in several situations. Not saying there aren't nice younger people, the ratio's just a lot less when compared to older people, it seems
The only times I saw people pushing through to get to the front of crowds, was for the bigger performances.. I could understand them trying to get as close as possible, but everyone that passed me, I just let by...
Don't be a dick, if you have a good view, just enjoy the show.
Fwiw, I agree with the sentiment of this thread. Except at the GT and MGMT shows - those crowds were awesome (outside of a couple who decided to bash into me, thereby making me bash into the nice girl in front of me. She turned to me and said "I'm gonna punch that guy behind you in the face if he doesn't knock it off". She was cute, too.)
Post by urbanhippie on Jun 18, 2009 2:37:01 GMT -5
MGMT sucked. I had been waiting for 5 hours. I was close up for yeesayer, which was awesome. Then all the hipsters came in, started getting glow stick fluid on me,pushing me all around. I had had too much of a good thing that night so my whole group just fled after the first song. We HAD to push people to get out. I'm 6'4, and 230 pounds so I'm a big guy, and I had no room to move at all.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Jun 18, 2009 3:07:15 GMT -5
Well I'm 18 and I haven't gone to a whole lot of shows mainly because of lack of money and the lack of a possibility of getting any employment. Roo 07 was the beginning of me devoting time and energy to going to shows so I would most certainly consider myself part of the inexperienced younger kid group. I always have considered myself a well-mannered nice individual. It's just common courtesy to not push your way through a crowd or dance all up on top of someone that clearly doesn't want that. I managed to work my way up for the shows I wanted to be close to and I'm a big guy 6'2" 230. Like someone else said you just have to take what the crowd gives you and move where you can without impeding on others viewing ability. One thing I have almost always done is check with the people behind me to see if they can still see once I settle on a spot.
The major annoyance this year was what would seem like the stereotype of an air-brained blonde and the incessant chatter during a show. The three shows that this happened during for me where Band of Horses, Grizzly Bear, and Bon Iver. I really do hate people talking loudly during songs because it is disrespectful to those around you and mainly to the artists. It wasn't that much of a nuisance though because I would just move somewhere else in the crowd where everyone was digging the music.
Aaah - well, I wrote a long, drawn out response here about pushing at shows, and then as I was typing the last sentence, my internet browser decided to shit the bed, but to paraphrase:
I fucking hate it when people push at shows. It is a major pet peeve of mine. If you want to get really close, do what I do - get there early. For instance, on Saturday night at Roo, I'd staked out my spot at the Which Stage since 10pm, and I had a really great view. Then around 12:45, after Bruce had finished but just before Nine Inch Nails started, a group of people came over from the What Stage and just started ramming us closer to the stage. They were so aggressive and discourteous that they very nearly ruined one of the best shows of the weekend for me. Yes, I ended up a good 10-15 feet closer to the stage after they came in, but that's not the point - I would much rather have been a little further away and not felt like a sardine in a tin.
Also, I know it's a side issue, but I feel it's very ageist to blame it entirely on younger people. I'm 22 myself, and I tend to be very courteous towards my fellow concert goers. The vast majority of people in that 18-25 age bracket I met over the weekend were very kind and respectful. And yes, the majority of people who I noticed shoving others were in that same age range - but I think that has more to do with the fact that Bonnaroo attracts a younger crowd than anything else.
I was disgusted by the group of youngsters after Merle Haggard who decided they were going to shove their way to the rail no matter what. At one point, one of them pushed me quite hard, so I turned around and politely pointed out I had nowhere to go (I wasn't going to run over the people who were trying to exit Merle's set). I guess that annoyed her because once I got on the rail, she proceeded to purposely smash up against me and shove her bag and hip into my hip. At the point I felt my fist involuntarily balling up, I decided to bail and motioned for the two small girls behind me to move to my spot on the rail.
Bad behavior comes in all shapes and sizes, but I agree with Jess in that nearly every bad experience I've had seems to come at the hands of 20-somethings.
I'm in agreence with you and Jesse Sass seems those 20-somethings or younger just don't have any manners or care for anyone but themselves. Of course not ALL just on the majority
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I am 28 and have to agree that the under 25 crowd was the range that annoyed me the most. I did feel that many (not all) were rude, impatient, and aggressive. I told Dallas I felt the crowd was generally more aggressive this year but that may have been the fact that I was less medicated this year.
