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Post by ClarkGriswold on Jun 21, 2009 22:19:46 GMT -5
It’s possible I’m posting this to the wrong community… BUT quack IT
Where are all the comments about the revolution in Iran?
Maybe I’m just stupid and lazy but I don’t see the activity on this site one would expect from a community like this about moving the agenda forward and social activism. It’s possible I’m posting this to the wrong community
I really .... and I mean really don’t take issue with having a good time and parting to the max.
However,
It is my belief that some of you beauty parlor blondes with credit card eyes as well as the beer infused egomaniacal jocks should have access to this information.
So. Folks step outside your conspicuous consumptions and try to be involved in the real world.
Does anyone give a nuts about what’s going on in Iran?
1 CAVEAT
IT’S COOL IF YOU DON’T YOU’RE AMERICAN YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT
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Going into the Bonnaroo news vacuum this year, I did wish I had access to that information. I don't know about everyone else, but I was awaiting that election even before Bonnaroo. All I got over the weekend was one bit of info from my friend with press access, and all he could tell me was that both candidates had claimed victory.
I certainly wouldn't call it a "revolution" just yet. As I see it, this is probably going to turn out more like another Tiananmen Square than a revolution...
Whatever it is, I haven't exactly ignored it. You know me... I'm such a beauty parlor blonde.
I recalled a question from my Comparative Politics final exam back in 05... the long essay question was to argue for whether China or Iran would democratize first. I sided with China then, and nothing's really happened to change me from that position now.
I guess though I don't think it is very significant yet. They are challenging the politicians not the cleric system as of now. That could change though, also could we at least change the name of the thread so people do not think this about cloud seeding or something.
You can't really separate the politicians from the clerics when it comes to Iranian politics
One can't even run for this office without having the Guardian Council's approval to be on the ballot. Several of them campaigned for Ahmedinejad, so they're not exactly unbiased mediators in this dispute. Ditto for Khamenei, who's quick to dismiss claims of fraud and seems to be gearing up for a crackdown on the protests. The politician being challenged is in cahoots with the cleric system. Their fates are tied in this situation.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised to find that Ahmedinejad actually won the election, but by a smaller margin than was actually reported.
Post by Fishing Maniac on Jun 22, 2009 0:14:26 GMT -5
The whole thing is a CIA constructed ploy to put plunge Iran into civil war and in doing so disable the country as an international powder keg. Well played if you ask me.
Khamenei actually recently tried making the British to be the meddling bogeyman in this situation.
I know there's a lot of colonial animosity and the like, but I can't help but wonder if that's got anything to do with Obama's recent speech in Cairo or the less confrontational stance he's been taking.
Khamenei actually recently tried making the British to be the meddling bogeyman in this situation.
I know there's a lot of colonial animosity and the like, but I can't help but wonder if that's got anything to do with Obama's recent speech in Cairo or the less confrontational stance he's been taking.
Post by Fishing Maniac on Jun 22, 2009 0:33:01 GMT -5
The speech in Cairo meant nothing really. If you look at the big picture there will always be extremist factions on both sides fighting for Jerusalem. Rebuild the temple and tear down the mosque? Never will there be peace in the city of peace. That's another issue though.
I think the hands off approach is directly related to the strategy of putting the country at war with itself. When they fight amongst themselves they are distracted and can't present a threat to the rest of us.
Well if everyone thinks it is about seeding clouds in times of a drought the discussion will also lag I think.
So what is the big deal at this point? I still do not believe any kind of flash point has been gotten to by the protesters yet. I do admire the hell out of what they are doing though, especially when faced with a regime and some hard liners that are prepared to use any means possible to stay in power.
Well this was a lot more blatant than what happened with Gore as far as theft goes. I will admit it does excite me though when people are out there trying to get what they feel they want from an oppressive government. Unfortunately though I do not think we can intervene until there is a larger crackdown, and some massive deaths from peaceful protesters. Still freedom was never bought on the cheap, and I can only hope I could find the same courage they have if I am ever in a similar situation.
If you use Twitter, set your "location" to Tehran / time zone to GMT +3.30. Iranian security forces are hunting for bloggers using location/timezone searches. The more people at this location, the bigger the logjam for forces trying to shut down Iranians' access to the internet. Cut & paste & pass it on
I will admit it does excite me though when people are out there trying to get what they feel they want from an oppressive government. Unfortunately though I do not think we can intervene until there is a larger crackdown, and some massive deaths from peaceful protesters.
Exactly why I say this looks more like a new Tiananmen Square than a new Iranian Revolution... at least, it will definitely be the former and only possibly the latter.
Yeah... why the hell weren't WE doing this when it was Al Gore in that position?
Then again, Al Gore wasn't out there saying he was prepared to become a martyr over that election...
Um... this was going on. I remember every day seeing people protesting on the news and yelling at the screen "Get a fucking job you hippies! I don't have time to protest. Why do you?"
Post by nitetimeritetime on Jun 22, 2009 14:18:47 GMT -5
Some of the most visible (read: media-saturated) protests during the 2000 election were the Republicans protesting (against) the recount in Florida. Any yelling at the screen during that coverage? Maybe not, since it turned out they had jobs -- as paid Republican operatives pretending to be a grassroots protest group.
Let's not spend too much time on the analogy to the 2000 election... the links are weak at best. That was a very close election that could have gone either way very easily. Even if it was stolen, the results were not manipulated in any way close to what has happened in Iran.
In Iran, protesters are being beaten, gassed and shot. This makes it look a lot like the beginnings of a revolution, but there is little to no chance of anything but slight, gradual change in Iran. For one thing, Moussavi is one of the biggest proponents of the Iranian nuclear weapons programs, and has powerful clerics on his side, though the vast majority of them side with Ahmedinejad. The protests have been getting bloodier, but they have also been getting smaller. While the public is frustrated about being disenfranchised, the election itself was far from a referendum on the Islamic Revolution and the system of government in Iran. If anything, Moussavi's support drew most from a desire to curb some of the excesses of the morality police and strike a somewhat more conciliatory tone in foreign policy. He doesn't represent that significant of a change to the power structure in Iran, and the people will not endure what would undoubtedly be a very bloody revolt in order to achieve these rather modest goals.
Post by Fishing Maniac on Jun 22, 2009 15:09:37 GMT -5
Actually yes I did yell at them. I didn't know that they were paid operatives. Is that true? And is it then true that the opposing protesters were not paid?
I noticed a pretty equal number on both sides that were out during the day when I was working in a newsroom.