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I kind of doubt that I am the only one who thinks that Jen is guilty. Why don't we give everybody a chance to come by and catch up and make their own decision. If we keep going like this there is going to be 4 pages of us just going back and forth. Its not like anybody would actually read all of it anyway.
Ok, good point. Let's let everybody else weigh in. It's a good question though: who else is pretty sure Jen was guilty, and why?
So basically you are saying Strum and Nate are mafia who is number 3. It has to be Higgi or Wolf right?
No it could also be kel or me, if my theory about strum is right.
And my theory may not be right. If strum was telling the truth and he was right, then that makes HGH, kdogg, you (bacon), and EAP the most likely suspects. Like I said, I don't think you and HGH are working together, so at least one of you is definitely not mafia. I don't have any theories on kdogg or EAP yet, though kdogg did seem really eager to get rid of strum.
You are trying to get me and other off course by finding something we might agree on(Nate being guilty).
Did I ask you to change your vote and vote for Nate? Did I ask anybody to? I'm just trying to vote for the person I find the most suspicious at this point.
Ya kdogg was so eager to get rid of Strum he voted for him ZERO times. And if Strum and Nate are mafia Kel is prob not mafia considering Nates voting pattern. Either way I think you are just trying to plant seeds of doubt.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Sept 3, 2009 19:19:11 GMT -5
Kdogg voted for him zero times, but go back and read strum's last post. He lays out pretty clearly the reasons he thinks kdogg was trying to get rid of him. That wasn't my theory; it was strum's.
I kind of doubt that I am the only one who thinks that Jen is guilty. Why don't we give everybody a chance to come by and catch up and make their own decision. If we keep going like this there is going to be 4 pages of us just going back and forth. Its not like anybody would actually read all of it anyway.
Ok, good point. Let's let everybody else weigh in. It's a good question though: who else is pretty sure Jen was guilty, and why?
Ho-ray!!! We agree on something I've got to go anyway, I've got another chance to see Calexico tonight.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Sept 3, 2009 19:28:36 GMT -5
NTRT you may not have asked someone to vote for Nate, but you are obviously trying to influence people to vote with you. It would be ridiculous to try otherwise. And I think you are grasping at straws with the strum theory. It sounds completely ridiculous right now, but I'm going to go back through the thread when I get another chance..
And I will fully read anything anyone posts. I of course can't speak for others, but why play if you aren't going to read everything. You guys should keep going back and forth if you have something to discuss.
NTRT you may not have asked someone to vote for Nate, but you are obviously trying to influence people to vote with you. It would be ridiculous to try otherwise.
Ok, but if voting for someone is the same as trying to influence other people, then we all do that every round, since we all have to vote. I don't expect everyone else to share my suspicions, because honestly they're not based on much -- they're just hunches. Vote for Nate or somebody else -- at this point I don't have much evidence to use to persuade anyone that I'm right, because I'm not sure I'm right.
And "ridiculous to try" what? Figuring out who is guilty? Isn't that what we're supposed to be doing?
And I think you are grasping at straws with the strum theory. It sounds completely ridiculous right now, but I'm going to go back through the thread when I get another chance..
I've said as much already. I don't know whether strum was telling the truth or not, but I don't think we can just assume he was. He seemed pretty sincere last game with a similarly long post saying he was inspector. I'm not saying the theory is ironclad by any stretch, just that it's something to consider.
And I will fully read anything anyone posts. I of course can't speak for others, but why play if you aren't going to read everything.
I don't have any theories on kdogg or EAP yet, though kdogg did seem really eager to get rid of strum.
I had an disagreement with Strum, but I didn't want to get rid of him. What I thought I saw in that first round voting were two Mafia ganging up on a suspected Inspector. Since then, Bacon got Jen killed off... now I'm a lot less certain they're in cahoots. So the theory Strum & I were arguing isn't even one I subscribe to anymore. Hell, I wasn't even accusing Strum of being guilty. I was accusing Jen & Bacon of being guilty and in cahoots, and going after Strum. That's what I saw in the voting - I thought it was, then I thought it wasn't, then Strum died so I'm not sure what to think.
Kdogg voted for him zero times, but go back and read strum's last post. He lays out pretty clearly the reasons he thinks kdogg was trying to get rid of him. That wasn't my theory; it was strum's.
Strum made it clear he didn't have a role with any special knowledge, even when I thought he did. If he did have special knowledge and was simply denying it, he still didn't vote for me - he voted for Jen and for Handgun. If Strum had any reliable knowledge that I was Mafia, why didn't he act on it from the start? If I were Mafia, do you really think I'd be dumb enough to whack a player in the middle of a public argument like that? Please
Strum's a good player. I don't think he would've been Inspector without voting for the person whose name he received at the start. He was either Inspector (without my name, I might add) or a misguided Townsperson engaged in some heated rhetoric. We've all had those moments.
Go back and re-read that page. In the middle of the back-and-forth between Strum & I, this was mentioned:
So yeah, this has to be the slowest first round ever. Maybe it just feels that way because this is the first time I've played. But even after the vote closed 16 hours ago, still nothing has happened.
Is it possible we're waiting for mafia members to log in and see that voting closed last night?
A quick look shows that everybody has been logged in since voting closed (16 hours ago) except higgi and nathen (and maybe kdogg, since he apparently logged in last March for the last time, but hasn't been around here since before voting closed).
Maybe this means nothing, but then again...
I don't think the decision to kill Strum was made until after we had our public disagreement. It's quite possible the Mafia still hadn't decided who to kill as of the time Strum & I had our debate. Strum's post basically invited the Mafia to kill him so they could make me look guilty too. That's a pretty enticing one-two punch for a Mafia, isn't it - to make both Strum and kdogg fall like dominoes, with the Townspeople doing their dirty work? I think that's exactly what the Mafia wanted the Townspeople to do. Don't buy into it.
I find it peculiar that Higgi & Nathen were the players who hadn't signed in as of the time NTRT pointed this out. Those two both got a LOT more suspicious in my book.
Speaking of Nathan... where the hell has he been? I know there's still a handful of us left to vote, but at us non-voters have at least made appearances in the thread...
Post by awolfatthedoor on Sept 3, 2009 19:55:39 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong but every vote past the first round carries some an implied intent of getting others to agree with you. And by me saying I think you're grasping at straws I meant more of I don't buy that theory to weigh in on who I think is guilty and who is not. I might be wrong but the first round seems to be too early to kill off a member to get the townspeople off your trail.
So looking back at this, I can only say that bacon has been throwing out a lot of theories, but not that he's guilty because they don't all work.
If I'm right, and strum offed himself, then that leaves higgi, nate, kel, and wolf (and me). I already voiced suspicion of higgi and nate earlier in this round, and since nate has a vote, I'm switching:
ntrt >> bacon >> null >> bacon >> nate
Higgi and Nate both voted me in the first day sending me into a runoff, and Higgi voted hippie first, then claimed to not know hippie was playing. Only a Mafia would not look at the player list. IMO. I didn't think about their votes for me, till you just brought this up! Higgi always votes me, so no biggie there, but for them both to vote me and Higgi even voting me this round makes me a little weary!
I want to hear from Higgi and Nathen, before I do my vote! I am leaning toward Nathen at this moment, if Bacon is Mafia at least he talks in the game.
Maybe I'm wrong but every vote past the first round carries some an implied intent of getting others to agree with you.
Ok, fair enough. But I should make it clear that I don't know who is guilty and who isn't, so if Nate is actually innocent, I would feel pretty bad knowing I was the reason others voted for him.
And by me saying I think you're grasping at straws I meant more of I don't buy that theory to weigh in on who I think is guilty and who is not. I might be wrong but the first round seems to be too early to kill off a member to get the townspeople off your trail.
Yeah, it is grasping at straws in that sense. But that's all I've got. And yeah, round 1 does seem early to do something like that, so it may be safer to assume Strum was telling the truth.
Maybe I'm wrong but every vote past the first round carries some an implied intent of getting others to agree with you.
Ok, fair enough. But I should make it clear that I don't know who is guilty and who isn't, so if Nate is actually innocent, I would feel pretty bad knowing I was the reason others voted for him.
And by me saying I think you're grasping at straws I meant more of I don't buy that theory to weigh in on who I think is guilty and who is not. I might be wrong but the first round seems to be too early to kill off a member to get the townspeople off your trail.
Yeah, it is grasping at straws in that sense. But that's all I've got. And yeah, round 1 does seem early to do something like that, so it may be safer to assume Strum was telling the truth.
I do know Strum has done some ballsy moves before. Last game for example. So, I don't put anything past the ol' Strumster!!
Since then, Bacon got Jen killed off... now I'm a lot less certain they're in cahoots.
I agree; to me it no longer seems likely that bacon is in cahoots with anyone at this point.
So the theory Strum & I were arguing isn't even one I subscribe to anymore. Hell, I wasn't even accusing Strum of being guilty.
Right, but strum was accusing you of being guilty. That's the part I was talking about.
Strum made it clear he didn't have a role with any special knowledge, even when I thought he did. If he did have special knowledge and was simply denying it, he still didn't vote for me - he voted for Jen and for Handgun. If Strum had any reliable knowledge that I was Mafia, why didn't he act on it from the start?
In his post, strum said that he was suspicious of HGH. He voted for HGH before the runoff and stuck with vote through the runoffs, so if he had any special knowledge, it was most likely about her. Then he suspected you were working with her. But by the time he suspected you, we were in a runoff, and nobody could vote for you anymore.
Strum's a good player. I don't think he would've been Inspector without voting for the person whose name he received at the start.
His first vote was for jen, but then he changed to HGH before the runoff (after someone else had voted her first). If he had HGH's name, then he did vote the person whose name he received at the start.
Go back and re-read that page. In the middle of the back-and-forth between Strum & I, this was mentioned:
So yeah, this has to be the slowest first round ever. Maybe it just feels that way because this is the first time I've played. But even after the vote closed 16 hours ago, still nothing has happened.
Is it possible we're waiting for mafia members to log in and see that voting closed last night?
A quick look shows that everybody has been logged in since voting closed (16 hours ago) except higgi and nathen (and maybe kdogg, since he apparently logged in last March for the last time, but hasn't been around here since before voting closed).
Right, but strum was accusing you of being guilty. That's the part I was talking about. ... In his post, strum said that he was suspicious of HGH. He voted for HGH before the runoff and stuck with vote through the runoffs, so if he had any special knowledge, it was most likely about her. Then he suspected you were working with her. But by the time he suspected you, we were in a runoff, and nobody could vote for you anymore.
Any Inspector in this game would only have the knowledge of their given name during Day One. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Strum was the Inspector (which is why I thought he was being ganged up on to begin with) and he did get the name of someone he voted for... Strum couldn't possibly have had anyone else's name, because there hadn't yet been a Night for asking more.
I just asked why Handgun was guilty for being quiet. Strum mentioned it when he changed votes, and it came up in the thread elsewhere. Curious, I did a post tally for the thread, posted the numbers, and saw that HGH's post count was in the middle of the pack. She wasn't the quiet one as it had been claimed. Strum didn't seem too happy that my numbers didn't agree with that, and things got a bit heated between us.
I'm going to vote for Nathen. Innocent or guilty, he's absent too much for my liking.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Sept 3, 2009 21:19:56 GMT -5
I should also point out that the above post doesn't mean I'm accusing kdogg. I'm just pointing out that this is what strum's theory was. And even if he did have HGH's name (I don't know) that still doesn't mean he was right about kdogg.
Post by handgunhipster on Sept 3, 2009 21:24:34 GMT -5
If Strum was the Inspector then he was trying to throw the mafia off of him by voting for me because I sure am the wrong course of voting to take to kill off the mafia. ;]
I am going to keep my vote with Higgi. I am way too confused to sort anything out, right now. But, I do think Nathen and Higgi seem the most guilty! And I may not be around much tomorrow.
Post by nathenhcarter on Sept 3, 2009 23:40:41 GMT -5
I vote Kel
I also am a townsperson...
I also hit a deer with my truck and I could care less about this game but maybe it will cheer me up if I keep playing... I can only play if you dont vote for me and you vote for a real mafia member but i can assure you i am not lying.
Post by nathenhcarter on Sept 3, 2009 23:56:59 GMT -5
You're better at this game than that Kdogg, lack of signing on doesn't make one guilty.
I really don't have a reason to vote for Kel but after reading where I left off I really don't have much of a reason to vote for anyone so I could go null but I have no clue when voting ends so as of now i will vote Kel.
I am starting to agree with this vote more and more, but since my vote makes 0 difference I am going to stick with EAP to emphasize how much I think she is mafia.
