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Higgi >>> Kel Kel >>> Higgi Kdogg >>> Bek>>>Airline Nite >>> Jack Jen >>> HGH Hippie >>> Airline >>> Wolf Wolf >>> Hippie Airline >>> Hippie >>> NTRT>>>Jack Bek >>> kdogg HGH >>> Jen Jack >>> NTRT >>> Airline
Post by GratefulHippie on Jan 8, 2010 14:02:23 GMT -5
Ok, well now I'm at a crossroads. On one hand I told airline I wouldn't vote for him if he switched his vote for me, and I'd like to hold true to my word. However, with kdogg already thinking I'm suspicious(which I will address later in this post) I feel that if I don't, I'm automatically going to be considered guilty or in cahoots with airline, which I am not.
As for your suspicions kdogg...you're barking up the wrong tree with me. I am a townsperson. If you will re-read the voting progression, I voted for airline randomly because he did not yet have a vote...something everyone tries to do first round. After my vote for airline, wolf casts a vote for me with no explanation, and no real reason considering I didn't vote for him. How is THAT not suspicious? My deal with airline was nothing more than self preservation, and slight suspicion on wolf's part.
I strongly urge you to look in another direction for the guilty parties.
Hippie, I never said you were guilty. But looking at that situation with votes, it's entirely plausible. Nor am I completely ignoring Wolf. It just so happens that, in this situation, the Wolf situation is derivative of the Hippie-Airline situation. If I ignored the primary situation and focused on Wolf, it would be putting the cart before the horse.
I know it's entirely possible you're both innocent - the only scenario around that situation I've ruled out is both you & Airline in cahoots. I've still got three or four theories about that situation that could be the case. I was thinking that a run-off between you & Airline would give us our best chances of having a Mafia involved. Since I'm here to kill Mafia, that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
Post by awolfatthedoor on Jan 8, 2010 15:03:16 GMT -5
Out of the two people so far I find Jack the slightly more suspicious because of accusing Airline/me for something that would obviously not be a mafia move. Do people really think that Airline and I would be that dumb to work together like that if we were in "cahoots"?
I'm not sure why what I did was suspicious, but if you would like explanation I'm afraid all I can offer was you were the first one on the non-voted list in the post two above mine that hadn't received a vote. I know that's dumb, but if you would like to help me out for next game what is the logical way to vote in the first round?
As far as seeming like i was following wolf's vote, that wasn't the case. I was repying to hippies vote as in "i guess i'll do the same and return the favor". When it posted wolf snuck in his vote. I'm a bit of a slow typer i guess. (Even this time someone will probably post after wolf)
I'm in cahoots with neither, as I voted for someone who hadn't been voted for every time. I suspected no one of mafia yet, until Jack voted for ntrt for about 2 seconds as a veiled attempt to save a fellow mafia. I urge my fellow townspeople to put themselves in both situations and ask what seems more like mafia tactics.
i will leave the floor to the rest of you and will refrain from posting unless called out on something untrue.
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If I ignored the primary situation and focused on Wolf, it would be putting the cart before the horse.
no you wouldn't. wolf's vote for me after i'd already voted for someone else makes HIM the primary situation, IMO. i'll explain that further in a second.
I was thinking that a run-off between you & Airline would give us our best chances of having a Mafia involved. Since I'm here to kill Mafia, that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
how is that the best option? sounds more like you're just HOPING that two people out of 11 you picked MIGHT be mafia. and i'm beginning to have deja vu about a stupid argument involving probabilities in this game, in which it made you think i was guilty, so i suppose i'll refrain from doing that this round.
I'm not sure why what I did was suspicious, but if you would like explanation I'm afraid all I can offer was you were the first one on the non-voted list in the post two above mine that hadn't received a vote. I know that's dumb, but if you would like to help me out for next game what is the logical way to vote in the first round?
I posted my vote for Airline at 8:56pm. you didn't vote for another half hour after that. logically, if one person votes for you, it's normal to reciprocate the vote. while i didn't have a vote yet, you DID know that it would be the natural progression of things for Airline to cast his vote for me and neutralize my vote for him. instead of picking someone who was in no danger of having more than one vote, you chose ME. which speaks to mafia trying to stack votes early. you knew i'd have two votes after airline cast his.
reciprocal voting is the only logical way to keep things fair concerning the first round, IMO. unless of course you're mafia and are trying to get rid of a townie early.
How can reciprocal voting be fair? We'd wind up with five pairs of reciprocal votes, and one person to decide someone's fate without a runoff.
then let the slacker(s) who has to vote last bear the burden of the swing vote. wolf voted for me even though he had other options of reciprocal voting. sorry, i find that suspicious. and i'm baffled as to why you seem to think it's completely innocuous.
I don't find it "completely innocuous" as you claim. I'm not going to go into the details, but I'm not necessarily convinced that Wolf's vote makes him guilty. As I said, I see a handful of scenarios looking at the voting situation. Different scenarios make different ones of you appear guilty, and - as I also said - I haven't ruled out the possibility that both you & Airline are innocent.
I'm not saying I'm assuredly right, but at this point of the game I don't have a whole lot else to work with aside from this situation.
I haven't ruled out his guilt. If I'm so dead-certain that Wolf is innocent as you claim, why am I casting a vote against a player who had the same original vote as Wolf? What's the logic in that?
If I'm so un-trustworthy... why are you voting the same way as me?
I'm in cahoots with neither, as I voted for someone who hadn't been voted for every time. I suspected no one of mafia yet, until Jack voted for ntrt for about 2 seconds as a veiled attempt to save a fellow mafia. I urge my fellow townspeople to put themselves in both situations and ask what seems more like mafia tactics.
So my vote for Jack was a mafia tactic? Why would I vote for Jack and keep that vote through the runoff if we were working together?
I see a situation involving three people where I believe someone is guilty. I never said it was you specifically, and I defy you to find an instance of me saying something to that effect.
I would think that Airline & Wolf are on the same side of that situation, whatever it may be.
I'm not sure what you're talking about now. The situations we were discussing were:
1. my vote for Jack (which indicates that Jack and I are not working together, as Airline suggested we were)
2. your vote for Airline (which does not indicate that you're not working with Wolf, as you said it did)
You equated those two situations, and I pointed out that they aren't the same. There's no reason you couldn't both vote for Airline and be working with Wolf at the same time.
