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kdogg...i see what you mean. but the conclusions come down to this...
a) if wolf was mafia, and NTRT was mafia, it means there's only one left, so who would that be?
b) jen is mafia, which means we should go back and look at any correlation between her and NTRT, if any(if you believe NTRT was mafia)
I disagree with you on conclusion A. I think NTRT going after Wolf in the first vote would disprove them being in cahoots. Earlier, when I thought Chief looked suspicious, I had accused him of being in cahoots with Wolf. If Mafia had already lost one in Wolf, and another in Chief... they'd be down to one by now. I don't think that's the case.
But who knows, maybe you and Hippie are both mafia and now you're just stacking your votes against me?
EDIT- or maybe I just pissed you both off and you're voting me out of anger. Because aside from Hippie's desperate attempt to make something out of nothing, which was more my laziness than anything, there is no reason to suspect me. I'm in it for the good guys, and open to any and all possibilities..
Until further information surfaces, I am nulling my vote.
Higgi -- Nulltastic
MY desperate attempts? sorry, but at least my points have facts in them. you can call it "laziness", but you've also called yourself "inspector" and that was a lie too. YOUR only points involve what you personally assume to be me acting because i'm a confused townsperson. not to mention you started pointing the finger at me first, my dear.
you say you're open to all possibilities, yet you still find a way in every post to steer things in my direction. if you're truly in it for the good guys, then we need to stick together because i am a good guy as well. er, woman, as it were.
i'm willing to bury the hatchet and look at this with a clean slate by nulling my vote.
There's something I want feedback on before voting, even if it does make me sound like a broken record...
I still have a lot of trouble believing that HGH voted for Jen (first round) & Wolf (runoff) and got whacked, despite neither of those two being Mafia. Three rounds in, and this point still can't escape me.
I'm curious about what those of you who aren't pregnant think about this...
i'm sorry...did this post not mean you were implying that either wolf or jen were mafia? i apologize if i was confused, but that's where conclusion A came from...
poppycock. I am unsure of your status but I know that we aren't casting our votes on each other for valid reasoning. Only stubbornness. So yes consider the hatchet buried and assuming Kdogg is indeed innocent, which I do believe he is, I think by teaming up with him we will have a solid chance at the W. (for the innocents, of course)
I was implying that one of them could quite possibly be Mafia.
Our difference on conclusion A is that you think Wolf may have been in cahoots with NTRT, which I find unlikely given the voting; I think it is more likely that Wolf would've been in cahoots with Chief, which seems improbable to me because I don't think we've lost a Mafia each round. Either way I slice it, I don't think Wolf was Mafia.
Wish I could stick around and discuss this further, but I'm just on my way out the door for a UW career fair.
Here are my facts....hopefully this will help you all decide whether I am Mafia. Feel free to add to them. If you believe Kdogg's theory that I am Mafia then you will be killing a townsperson.
1. I voted for Chief and pushed the fact that he was Mafia and even accused Kdogg of being in cahoots with him.
2. I accused both Bacon and Bama of being posssible suspects in Chief's mafia team.
3. (you can take this as fact athough you would have no clue if it was true) I would have reciprocated HGH's vote for me until I saw Chief's vote. After seeing his vote I planned on voting for Chief had not been for the votes being stacked against myself and Wolf by the time I finally had a chance to log on. I think for a tiny window voting Hippie would have saved me but that didn't last long.
4. I voted for wolf in the run-off. Wolf changed his vote to Kdogg. Kdogg said the he voted for me becasue I wanted him dead more than Wolf wanted him dead. At that point I was after chief and all I said about Kdogg was that I can never tell if he is innocent or guilty. He nulled his vote beut eventually voted for me again and accused me of putting him in the run-off. WOLF was the one who put him in the run-off, not me. He later retracted this realizing that Wolf put him in the run-off but too little too late. I question whether his mistake was geunuine or merely out of convenience. I voted Kdogg becasue at that point I was forced to choose between the two to save myself. I felt like Wolf was innocent so I voted Kdogg. He was not high on my radar until round two and never would have been had he not been pushing my guilt.
I have tried everything to reason with Kdogg and even consider the things he is saying. I've even given up on pressing the issue that he is Mafia this round to attempt to work with him as Kel suggested to HIM. As long as he is against me I don't see how I can't be against him as well because I know I am innocent. If he is also innocent then he is...to use his own words..."barking up the wrong tree" with his theory that I am guilty. I hope the townspeople can believe that because if you let Kdogg convince you that I am guilty then you will be losing a townsperson. I'm in a sticky situation right now because my instinct is to begin accusing Kdogg again...but as a townsperson I don't want to falsely accuse one of my own since I am so uncertain about whether we have truly killed any Mafia or if Kdogg is guilty. I feel he is innocent and just on the wrong track with accusing me. he is a good townsperson and takes everything into account but this time he is DEAD WRONG about me.
It seemed like everyone was onboard with Chief being inspector so that is what swayed my decision to vote for Bacon and believe Cheif. you all know that is a huge leap from how I began this game. I was Chief's harshest accuser...but I felt like A) since no one else stepped up to claim the inspector role then he was probably the real deal, B) it seemed like the majority supported his claim.
I don't know who to vote for now. My vote is still for Bacon and if he is bait then my apologies. I am up for changing my vote if anyone has a better idea.
Bama was working, teaching hooping classes, working again today, then gym, now Project Runway. I will read and analyze soon. Vote coming by the end of tonight. Promise.
I honestly don't know who to vote for. I am unsure of bacon's innocence, and it seems like everyone is coming after me for no reason other than thinking jen was innocent (but jen thinks I'm mafia? I'm confused)...I sort of want to vote for hippie b/c she accused me, but really that's not a good reason. I'm not particularly suspicious of higgi yet, but I am still keeping my eyes open.
Basically I'm not really 100% sure about anybody at this point and ONE of you is mafia dammit, I am just not sure which one yet, haha.
How long do we have before voting closes? I want to think on this some more.
Post by ☮ superbek ☮ on Feb 5, 2010 0:25:32 GMT -5
I am absolutely torn.
kdogg/jen: I just don't understand what is wrong with you two. You are both fighting for the same cause, right? I mean, you both agree that chief is inspector, believe NTRT to be mafia, and have voted/considered voting for bacon this round.
HOWEVER... every round at least one of you votes for the other one! wtf? Can this please end here? You guys are starting to sound like higgi/hippie!
bacon/higgi: I have been suspicious of you both more so than anyone else in this entire game. It really sucks that the two people I trust are torn apart by the two people i don't trust!
hippie: I am glad to hear that you and higgi are gonna chill out because you're both getting on my nerves fighting like brother and sister, if you are a townsperson, then put your head on and pull yourself together!
bama: I can neither confirm or deny your innocence. I just keep forgetting that you are even play which is neither a good or bad thing. I know you're busy, as am I, but I also know that I can't forget about you. Regardless of who you are, I am interested to hear what you have to say about everything.
bacon: I am still VERY concerned about you but I am more apt to believe that you are being set up so I am gonna vote for higgi. This does NOT mean you are crossed off my list but it does mean that on the grand scheme of things I am MORE suspicious of higgi.
HOWEVER... every round at least one of you votes for the other one! wtf? Can this please end here? You guys are starting to sound like higgi/hippie!
bacon/higgi: I have been suspicious of you both more so than anyone else in this entire game. It really sucks that the two people I trust are torn apart by the two people i don't trust!
hippie: I am glad to hear that you and higgi are gonna chill out because you're both getting on my nerves fighting like brother and sister, if you are a townsperson, then put your head on and pull yourself together!
bacon: I am still VERY concerned about you but I am more apt to believe that you are being set up so I am gonna vote for higgi. This does NOT mean you are crossed off my list but it does mean that on the grand scheme of things I am MORE suspicious of higgi.
Why shouldn't we be suspicious of you, Bek? You pop in on occasion and give your two cents, but no reasoning for it.. If you feel myself or bacon or jen or anyone for that matter is guilty, then why?
I know I haven't contributed much to this game as I've been quite confused as to who's who, But, as you can see, Hippie and I have agreed to disagree and I believe we are on the same page, and looking to win this.
Now, I have no reason's to say you are guilty, or you are not, but I think that I have left you out of the equation until now. I know how easy it is to sit back as mafia and sporadically interject with your opinion just to make it look like you're participating.
For the record, I am not saying you're guilty, and I'm not saying you're not. But I am saying you've been overlooked.
bacon: I am still VERY concerned about you but I am more apt to believe that you are being set up so I am gonna vote for higgi. This does NOT mean you are crossed off my list but it does mean that on the grand scheme of things I am MORE suspicious of higgi.
I had a thought just now I'd like to bounce off everyone before I leave for work.
This game began with six males and five females - a relatively even split. So far, we think we have one Inspector & one Mafia - both male - while debating over two other males as the guilty parties. I'm not trying to turn this game into a battle of the sexes, but am I supposed to believe that two-thirds of the guys got all the roles while zero percent of the ladies did? I know it's not impossible, but that scenario is unlikely enough that it makes me suspicious.
I agree with Higgi that Bek has been underlooked thus far. I want to hear what someone other than Bek says about Jen's involvement in the HGH whack... My recent pondering has opened my mind to the possibility that these two may be in cahoots.
Not sure of Jen's role in this, but I think Bek's urging Jen & I to vote Bacon - while herself voting Higgi - fits the setup scenario that was discussed. Seems to me Bek is awfully protective of Jen every time I suggest HGH's whack is worth looking into...
hmm. So you're still thinking Bacon is part of a setup, and now that Bek is possibly behind it?
I guess I wouldn't put it past Bek, as she is a pretty solid player in this game. But to me personally, I feel as if it is a pretty far fetched scheme.. I'm certainly not ruling it out, though!
I will have to go back and do some extra reading before commenting on the Jen and Bek thing, as I haven't seen anything too noticeable, buttt I wasn't looking either, so I will return after some reading to comment on that.
Post by GratefulHippie on Feb 5, 2010 18:37:27 GMT -5
this game is going to draaaaaaaaaaaaaag
why don't we narrow things down to the two players we feel are most suspicious, and then do a runoff? i'm not pointing a single finger anyone's direction with this suggestion...obviously i haven't even voted. i just think we're taking entirely too long, and OVERthinking everything.
I keep second guessing everything and am sure of nothing. The only thing I am going off, and confident in, is Chief as inspector, and NTRT as mafia.
So, basically, aside from those items, I am still confused as shit.
I am, however, keeping my vote with Bacon, who voted me in haste after I pointed out his post following Chief's death, and the time span from his death to Bacon's post. (12 minutes ;D)
But, as always, I am not opposed to a runoff or changing my vote.
I'm trying to overthink things now because I'm fairly certain I'm getting whacked tonight. I think I've got the smallest question mark over my head at the moment... I'm writing this post as if I'll get whacked as soon as I hit Post Reply...
I'm serious about that thing I said earlier, about how I don't think males received all four of the game's roles. I did a bit of pondering about those likelihoods tonight. I assumed: NTRT = Mafia / Chief = Inspector / HGH Wolf & kdogg = Townspeople I also assumed there were two Mafia remaining, because I believe this to be the case (agree/disagree?) That left me with six players - two male, four female. I figure there are 15 different possible two-person Mafia combinations. Only one of them was two guys - Higgi & Bacon. From the fourteen others, I figured there were eight possible guy-girl combinations and six ladies-only combinations. Since Bacon & Higgi were voting for each other, I think we can rule out that combo.
Bacon's vote looks suspicious when I scroll back and look.
Higgi >>> Hippie>>>Null Hippie >>> Higgi>>>>Null Jen >>> Bacon Bacon>>>>Higgi
Jen & Bacon voted before Hippie & Higgi nulled their mutual votes. It was a three-way tie (Hippie/Higgi/Bacon @ 1 each) when Bacon got to vote. Higgi's vote had already been reciprocated. Bacon even had a vote for himself from Jen. Rather than reciprocating Jen's vote for him, he stacked on top of Hippie's (reciprocated) vote for Higgi. This strikes me as curious. That's kind of how the runoff went in this direction.
I think I know why Bacon wouldn't want to vote for Jen. He knew I'd be likely to vote for Jen because he's seen it in what I've been saying. Bacon voting Jen would've created a bandwagon for me to jump on. You wouldn't want that to happen to someone you're in cahoots with, would you?
My recommended course of action is that we eliminate the most suspicious male player this round, and the survivors pursue the most suspicious female player next round.
I don't expect to see Day Three, and will make no further comment this round... because I'm comfortable enough with where the Townspeople currently sit.
Inspector = Chief Mafia = NTRT, Bacon, Jenkazoo* * and if not it, I suggest you look to Bek or Bama... Townspeople = everyone else
Basically Kdogg, your above post indicates you are suspicious of everyone except Hippie and Higgi....so I am changing my vote to one of them. You think I am Mafia and now possibly in cahoots with Bek but you are dead wrong and I am still really suspicious of you. I hope you do get whacked during the night even if you ARE innocent because your insistence that I am Mafia is going to lead the townspeople to lose. Since Hippie and Higgi are both sitting on your list of unaccused I'll vote Higgi. I'm going for Higgi because he already has more votes than Hippie. I'm beginning to think Bacon was falsely accused....actually if Chief was inspector there is still no real proof that Bacon was ever Mafia. We are going on what he thought about Bacon with no facts. Even if he was inspector he could have been wrong about Bacon. I'm tired of putting blind faith in an inspector who only had one name and one hunch.
That said, if voting for Bek this round will prove my innocence then I am game to change my vote to her....but the only way it would make a difference if is other people did as well. Kdogg, if you vote for Bek and I vote for Bek we can attempt to put her in a run-off with someone else or possibly vote her out completely. I promise to vote for her in the run-off if that will show ya'll that I am innocent and not in cahoots with her.
SO....even though I JUST said I was voting for Higgi I'm changing it again. Kdogg, if you aren't up for this deal I'll go back and change my vote again if voting is still open after I hear back from you.
I'm just curious as to WHY I'm suspicious. What have I done to be suspicious? Besides be quiet in the thread when I have been moving all weekend (boo), not believe jen is mafia, and be suspicious about the Chief/Kdogg in cahoots business (when I have said that I think Chief really was the inspector).
TBH I don't think Jen is mafia, I am unsure about bek, and I am really suspicious of hippie. She comes out of nowhere suspicious of me for no reason (other than I voted for her, randomly, in the first round, and subsequently changed my vote)...then she's really trying to pressure us to send two people into a runoff? Why should we do that?
I really think higgi/hippie are our mafia and their little "play fight" and resolution was just done to make themselves both look innocent.
I think bacon was wrongly accused. I don't think jen is mafia. I am unsure of kdogg but I don't think he is mafia, the same for bek.
So. I'm voting for hippie. If you all want to think that makes me look like mafia, whatever. But I really think hippie is guilty. She was certainly gunning for me for a little bit, for no reason. It seems to me that she's trying to drum up suspicion about other people in order to make herself look less suspicious.
Yeah, yeah, I said no further comment this round... I meant it then, because I wanted Jen's name on the record in the event I got whacked. I meant to stop in after the close of voting to say something cryptic, intending on it pointing in the direction of my unsuccessful Mafia guesses.
But I realized something else, which made me want to break the silence... Bacon's vote switch still seems shady to me, but in a different light. I said earlier, he could've been doing it to protect Jen by refusing to vote for her... What I failed to take into account was the possibility that Bacon's vote was instead meant to protect Hippie.
I am starting to believe Bacon & Hippie are our Mafia in cahoots.
