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Bama has no reason to defend me in this game especially after I called her out in round one as being an option besides Bacon to be working with Chief. I don't know how many times I said it but she looked guilty to me and I made no effort to hide that fact.
Kdogg thinks she is trying to deflect attention away from me....but why would she need to do that when I made it clear that I tought she was guilty in round one? Plus, anyone trying to deflect attention away from me at this point would be wasting their time since I have made some pretty bold accusations and long posts. I'm right out there in the open either way. I do a great job of making myself look guilty when I'm innocent so a ploy to have someone deflect attention from me would be a total waste of energy.
I haven't ruled out her guilt quite yet. If she was Mafia then defending me would actually make her look less suspicious to others. It would only be a low risk on her part to defend me because if questoned she could always just fall back on the fact that she was only going by odds.
where is everyone? I guess everyone must be watching LOST! I can't wait to get home and watch it on DVR!
This game is making as much sense to me as that show right about now. I can't wait to see who has what role at the end of it all because I think everyone is Mafia.
Post by ☮ superbek ☮ on Feb 3, 2010 1:17:12 GMT -5
Okay so I am about 90% sure that chief was our inspector... which would presumably leave kdogg to be innocent.
kdogg: I am willing to cooperate and collaborate in order to correlate the remaining mafia members to each other. Hopefully now that we are starting to collect the puzzle pieces, we can compile a strategy and start acting as a towns-team.
Jen: the more I read your posts the more I am to believe that you are a townsperson. I see the rationality behind your votes. Especially with objective statements such as:
I'd rather keep Chief alive because what he does would be more telling in the long run regardless of whether he is being deceitful. At this point I think his actions would give more insight than yours would in regards to who is guilty regardless of whichever one of you are innocent.
IMO, the best thing we could have done with NTRT was kill him and see if chief could make it through the night, which he didn't.
I think you are both innocent and you are starting to turn on each other which is exactly what the mafia wants! open your eyes...
I am leaning towards voting bacon because he has raised more than a few eyebrows this game and that is who chief asked about buy chief is dead so I want to hear from kdogg before I vote.
Here's a couple things I was thinking about Chief as Inspector. Grab a drink... and Jen, I promise to drink two in the course of writing this
I thought back to who I suspected was most likely in cahoots with Chief, and that was Wolf. If Chief & Wolf were Mafia together, we'd be down to one Mafia going into round three. I don't think the Mafia got this desperate this early.
This is the only thing in my catch-up reading that made me pause and think:
All I really have to go on is that Chief is the only one who has come out as inspector. If there is a true living inspector they would have surely come out by now with whatever named they asked about last night....and that hasn't happened. The only other possibility is that HGH was inspector and there is nothing to imply that she was.
HGH as Inspector is not technically the only other possibility. Wolf also died before all this went down, so he wouldn't have been around to step up. I rolled this possibility around in my head, and here's what I think of that: Wolf's initial vote was jumping in before Bacon reciprocated NTRT's first vote. As I said earlier, I think that would explain why Wolf was targeted in the runoff. Wolf very may well have thought he could have beaten me in a runoff - he did just last game - and stayed quiet hoping for another guess. There was only a one-vote difference between us, after all... If Wolf had been the actual Inspector (voting NTRT, mind you) and got offed... a lying Mafia wouldn't have accused the exact same player (NTRT) their suspected Inspector was after. That makes no sense. Mafia would have chosen someone, anyone else if they thought they'd killed the Inspector in Wolf. This just makes me more certain that Chief was Inspector.
Which brings us back to Chief getting whacked, and what I think is the crucial thing we need to be looking at here: Chief gave warning that he was going to ask about Bacon. If Chief had named a Townsperson, I think the Mafia would have let him live through the Night. Can we all agree that an outed Inspector who survives the Night loses legitimacy and is much more likely to die by Townsperson hands the following Day? Not to mention the associated "guilt by association" factor with whomever they name. If you're Mafia & your outed Inspector just named a Townsperson, I think that's a pretty sweet deal. Just sit back, kill a Townsperson of your choosing overnight, and watch the Townspeople go after the Inspector the following day. No blood on your hands. The only reason I personally, in that position, wouldn't whack someone besides an outed Inspector is if I knew they were the Inspector and about to name one of my own. That raises the stakes, if you're gambling on the Townspeople turning on an outed Inspector... I don't think that's a bet the Mafia was willing to take.
As far as who I think is Mafia in this situation, I'm going to say Bacon... but I'm going to allow him time to address these accusations.
Now, a couple other random thoughts:
I'm starting to feel comfortable with the innocence of Jen, Bek and even Bama. Still wary of Jen's involvement with the HGH whack.
Why DID the Mafia whack HGH if she neither player she voted for was guilty? The only possibility I can think of is that she switched votes between two of the principals in the Day One runoff (as did Jen, switching between Wolf & I.) This would send Townspeople further down a wrong path, while drawing attention away from any of them. This would explain why we had Inspector Chief around in Day Two - he never voted for NTRT. He voted for Jen, who at the time was casting her vote for Wolf along with NTRT. That seems like a reasonable thing to do if you had NTRT's name.
I've been pondering the possibility of the Mafia steering three innocent players into the runoff... I don't think that is possible, if we're to believe that NTRT & Bacon (who voted Wolf into the Day One runoff) are both Mafia. Here's what I think about Mafia engineering the first runoff. Voting for Jenkazoo HGH (whacked) Chief (whacked, Inspector) kdogg (Inspector cleared, threat of sodomy) I think we're all innocent here. Voting for kdogg Jen Wolf Bek I think that Jen & Wolf are innocent. Bek's voting agreement with me leaves false positives that can't entirely erase the question mark over her head, but I'm leaning towards her innocence. She's a sly one, though, and could be taking advantage of the cover our arrangement provides. If she's Mafia, Lord help us.
I guess the only two I haven't yet addressed are Hippie & Higgi. Is it just me, or at this point do these two seem like a couple kids fighting in the back seat? I swear, once we take care of Bacon, we need to pull this car over and separate those two...
I don't know what the tally is at the moment, so I'm going to abstain from voting for now.
One final note: this post was four beers in the making, not two as previously stated.
I really don't have much to say about my innocence because at this point if I were you I would probably think I were guilty too. For the record I think Higgi and Hippie makes sense. I want to vote for one of them but I fear if I do I might make one of them look innocent and prolong their life.
Post by GratefulHippie on Feb 3, 2010 12:49:00 GMT -5
ok...first of all...I AM INNOCENT. obviously, like everyone else, i cannot prove that other than saying it. but, i promise you i am not being deceptive. i want to figure out this mafia thing as much as anyone else, and honestly i feel more lost than anyone else right now.
as for higgi and i bickering...here's why i got annoyed...
in the first round, WITHOUT EVEN READING THE PREVIOUS VOTES(or so he says), he votes for me...making sure i had 2 votes at that point, and could possibly assume i would have 3 had chief reciprocated my vote. i'm sorry, but it annoys me that someone is handing out death sentences without even reading the information in front of them. not to mention he didn't even post again until we were well into a runoff, so if the runoff hadn't have happened, and bama had kept her vote, it would have been an innocent dying just because he didn't feel like reading.
also, his finger pointing has no basis. his only retorts are that the tone of my typing seem to him to be "acting" or "overacting". i'm sorry, but that's the lamest thing i've ever heard. i have been one of the most active participants on this thread, and usually am. he's not presenting FACTS...he just THINKS i'm acting. that's pretty dicey logic if you ask me.
i don't know...i just get the feeling that he's reaching to try and make me look guilty, which in turn, makes me think HE is guilty. he's been awfully quiet up to now, and that makes me suspicious of him as well. i'm not saying i think FOR SURE he's mafia, but this insistance that people keep considering my guilt puts him on my radar.
Unless something extremely telling happens my vote stays with Bacon. Kdogg, I appreciate you giving my innocence a closer look. I'd like to clear Bek of guilt since she is also supporting my innocence, but I have no proof. I don't see any Mafia motive in her attempt to unite myself with you as a solid townie team....the only scenario I could think of would be that you two are workign together and she is trying to get me on your good side as well as hers. That seems like a long shot though so for the time being I'm just gonna stick with Bacon and see how the whack plays out. Breaking up Higgi and Hippie seems like a good move but I don't have any clue as to who is guiltier.
I would much rather get rid of Bacon first and deal with those two later. the only problem is that I'm not certain on anything. My vote right now is based on blind trust of Chief's instinct as inspector....but even if he was the inspector we have no solid proof that Bacon was Mafia. Just becasue he suspected Bacon doesn't mean he was actually guilty. I am not sure what Chief's track record is as inspector. Kdogg, do you see any voting patterns that would make Chief's accusations against Bacon any more solid? I don't have time to go back and look over all that right now but if I get time later I will.
ok...first of all...I AM INNOCENT. obviously, like everyone else, i cannot prove that other than saying it. but, i promise you i am not being deceptive. i want to figure out this mafia thing as much as anyone else, and honestly i feel more lost than anyone else right now.
as for higgi and i bickering...here's why i got annoyed...
in the first round, WITHOUT EVEN READING THE PREVIOUS VOTES(or so he says), he votes for me...making sure i had 2 votes at that point, and could possibly assume i would have 3 had chief reciprocated my vote. i'm sorry, but it annoys me that someone is handing out death sentences without even reading the information in front of them. not to mention he didn't even post again until we were well into a runoff, so if the runoff hadn't have happened, and bama had kept her vote, it would have been an innocent dying just because he didn't feel like reading.
also, his finger pointing has no basis. his only retorts are that the tone of my typing seem to him to be "acting" or "overacting". i'm sorry, but that's the lamest thing i've ever heard. i have been one of the most active participants on this thread, and usually am. he's not presenting FACTS...he just THINKS i'm acting. that's pretty dicey logic if you ask me.
i don't know...i just get the feeling that he's reaching to try and make me look guilty, which in turn, makes me think HE is guilty. he's been awfully quiet up to now, and that makes me suspicious of him as well. i'm not saying i think FOR SURE he's mafia, but this insistance that people keep considering my guilt puts him on my radar.
1. I am not pointing ANY fingers. I said you were suspicious to me. And it wasn't until yesterday that I thought that.
2. You seem very suspicious to me for trying to make something out of nothing. I didn't "ensure" you had two votes, I simply voted you because as you know, I always try to get at least one vote in on you, just to be a bother and joke around. You took that vote to an EXTREMELY new level and tried to blow it of proportion.
3. With your *sighs* and overly confused posts I do believe you are putting on an act. And I did say that it was completely in my opinion. I didn't try to sway anyones thinking, I left that for everyone else's judgement.
4. For the last time, my vote for you in the first round was a stupid pointless vote. It meant nothing and it AFFECTED NOTHING.
5. You trying to make that little vote into a huge ordeal, a la saying you had three votes after I voted for you, was a lie. Because clearly, and anyone can go back and look, CHIEF NEVER VOTED YOU, and after the first or second page BAMA CHANGED HER VOTE FROM YOU. This is just my observation and for that reason is why I feel like you are suspicious.
I can see how you would think the same, but in actuality you did indeed attempt to make me look like a vote stacker. And that is why I believe you are guilty.
Post by GratefulHippie on Feb 3, 2010 18:59:03 GMT -5
1. I am not pointing ANY fingers. I said you were suspicious to me. And it wasn't until yesterday that I thought that.
well, technically you ARE pointing fingers by saying you think i'm guilty, and asking others what they think. obviously you're trying to sway things in my direction, however little that may be.
2. You seem very suspicious to me for trying to make something out of nothing. I didn't "ensure" you had two votes, I simply voted you because as you know, I always try to get at least one vote in on you, just to be a bother and joke around. You took that vote to an EXTREMELY new level and tried to blow it of proportion.
i'm not blowing anything out of proportion. i'm simply stating FACTS. i get it...your reason for voting for me was a "joke". doesn't mean the FACTS i present are wrong. chief HADN'T voted for me yet, so you have NO CLUE what his vote would have been. nor did you even post again until we were well into the runoff. so please stop trying to act like i'm somehow off base in that i COULD have had 3 votes.
3. With your *sighs* and overly confused posts I do believe you are putting on an act. And I did say that it was completely in my opinion. I didn't try to sway anyones thinking, I left that for everyone else's judgement.
how is saying *sigh* an indication of guilt or overacting? i type how i talk...and i've beeing sighing a lot because i AM confused, and AM annoyed. and you ARE trying to lead people down that path because you keep asking people for their opinions on it. which is fine...i think everyone should be questioned. but stop acting like you aren't trying to put me on people's radar.
4. For the last time, my vote for you in the first round was a stupid pointless vote. It meant nothing and it AFFECTED NOTHING.
i don't know why you're getting angry at ME for YOUR vote. how am i supposed to know the reasoning behind your vote? am i a mind reader? yeah, no. did you post ANYTHING after your initial vote for me that would indicate WHY you voted for me? NO. and you had NO IDEA that it wouldn't have affected me because you never came back around until the runoff. hindsight is always 20/20, so it's not a very good rebuttal.
5. You trying to make that little vote into a huge ordeal, a la saying you had three votes after I voted for you, was a lie. Because clearly, and anyone can go back and look, CHIEF NEVER VOTED YOU, and after the first or second page BAMA CHANGED HER VOTE FROM YOU. This is just my observation and for that reason is why I feel like you are suspicious.
again, YOU DIDN'T EVEN COME BACK TO THE THREAD UNTIL THE RUNOFF. so you had NO IDEA what would have come from your "joke" vote, or that bama would have changed her vote. and i NEVER said that chief voted for me. i said he presumably COULD HAVE since i had placed a vote for him. and you STILL cast your vote for me BEFORE he did, which means you had no idea he wasn't going to vote for me. which is why i think YOU are guilty, and trying to sway suspicion from yourself.
I can see how you would think the same, but in actuality you did indeed attempt to make me look like a vote stacker. And that is why I believe you are guilty.
and in actuality, you ARE indeed attempting to make me look like mafia because you think the way i'm typing is "acting". no facts, no supportive quotes...just you THINK the way i type is different. and that is why i believe YOU are guilty.
I suspect that Chief announcing Bacon might not be as telling as I'd thought. I think I figured out the motive for whacking Chief if he named a Townsperson.
Bacon seems very suspicious in relation to NTRT. But if he is a Townsperson, this would play right into the Mafia's plans. Whack Chief - eliminating their Inspector in the process, which makes Bacon look suspicious and leads the Townspeople to do their dirty work & turn on him. Aside from Bacon, are we solid on any third candidate? I don't think so, and I'm sure the Mafia has gathered this from our discussions. They don't know who we'd turn against if not Bacon, which makes it all the more possible that Mafia would wind up targeted. I'm starting to think the Mafia might want us to go after Bacon. I think they wanted to leave Bacon's status up in the air, so they'd get a two-for-one in whacking Chief.
Looking back through some of what Chief said, I noticed this:
I just asked about bacon. It was down to bacon, higgi, and Jen. But the more that Jen interjects on this game the more i believe her. I think you are barking up the wrong tree, kdogg. But the more that bacon speaks the more i distrust him. So we will found out as soon as kel tells me what's up.
Chief didn't only single out Bacon here - he also named Higgi & Jen. He's not just saying who he asked about in Night Two... he gave two hints as to who he'd ask about in Night Three. I think that makes one or both of these players look more suspect. If Chief had named three Townspeople during Night Two, I'm thinking he would have lived long enough to die by Townspeople hands in Day Three... the Mafia wouldn't have been afraid of him outing one of their own after Night Three.
So, all of you - particularly Bacon, Jen and especially Higgi - I'd like to hear what you think of this...
Post by ☮ superbek ☮ on Feb 3, 2010 23:41:11 GMT -5
so what you're saying is that bacon could be the bait??
I thought he could be innocent, but I didn't really think of him as bait. I kinda thought of it as more of a gamble. I mean we don't know what the verdict is on bacon but I don't think we can forget his overall disposition this game which of course is what made chief suspicious of him in the first place. That's not to say that you are wrong kdogg, I just don't know if I can buy this theory yet. I am def willing to hold off on my vote until everybody has a chance to take this into consideration.
I think, at the heart of things, that's what I'm trying to figure out. It might be as simple as "Chief asked about Bacon, and Mafia killed him to prevent Chief from stating that he is Mafia" but it might not be.
Bacon was (whacked chosen to be singled out) to prevent a fact from being known - either his Mafia status or a confirmation of his innocence.
Thinking about it from a Mafia perspective... I assume whacking Chief would make us all suspicious of Bacon and kill Bacon. I assume whacking anyone but Chief would make us all suspicious of Chief and kill Chief.
They chose making us suspect Bacon - and, hopefully, kill Bacon. If Bacon were Mafia, why take the course of action to make Bacon seem even more suspicious? That, I guess, it what smells funny about this to me and makes me acknowledge the possibility of Bacon's innocence.
It doesn't hurt to point out that Chief's best suspicions in Night One led him to a Townsperson. He's 0-1 on guesses, so far as we know. Not sure of its relevance, but worth pointing out.
Chief also pointed to Higgi & Jen. I think we might be better served concentrating on one or both of them.
Sorry. I am violating my self-imposed rule against Mafia-ing under the influence. Definitely the wrong choice of words.
I didn't mean whacked, I meant targeted. Singled out. Whatever. I think Mafia just may be doing that to you in hopes we Townspeople will take the bait.
I suspect that Chief announcing Bacon might not be as telling as I'd thought. I think I figured out the motive for whacking Chief if he named a Townsperson.
Bacon seems very suspicious in relation to NTRT. But if he is a Townsperson, this would play right into the Mafia's plans. Whack Chief - eliminating their Inspector in the process, which makes Bacon look suspicious and leads the Townspeople to do their dirty work & turn on him. Aside from Bacon, are we solid on any third candidate? I don't think so, and I'm sure the Mafia has gathered this from our discussions. They don't know who we'd turn against if not Bacon, which makes it all the more possible that Mafia would wind up targeted. I'm starting to think the Mafia might want us to go after Bacon. I think they wanted to leave Bacon's status up in the air, so they'd get a two-for-one in whacking Chief.
Looking back through some of what Chief said, I noticed this:
I just asked about bacon. It was down to bacon, higgi, and Jen. But the more that Jen interjects on this game the more i believe her. I think you are barking up the wrong tree, kdogg. But the more that bacon speaks the more i distrust him. So we will found out as soon as kel tells me what's up.
Chief didn't only single out Bacon here - he also named Higgi & Jen. He's not just saying who he asked about in Night Two... he gave two hints as to who he'd ask about in Night Three. I think that makes one or both of these players look more suspect. If Chief had named three Townspeople during Night Two, I'm thinking he would have lived long enough to die by Townspeople hands in Day Three... the Mafia wouldn't have been afraid of him outing one of their own after Night Three.
So, all of you - particularly Bacon, Jen and especially Higgi - I'd like to hear what you think of this...
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at Kdogg? The only thing Chief knew for sure was NTRT.. How does that post, exclaiming he was thinking about asking on Bacon, Jen or myself make anyone of us look suspect?
He knew nothing more than any one of us townspeople, aside from NTRT, right?!
EDIT- It's early, you think we look suspect because he was going to ask on one of us and was then killed. duh.
Well, for the record I am just a confused townsperson. I also see your reasoning as to why I would look guilty. You're definitely going down the wrong path because killing me will be killing one of your own, granted you are innocent.
I knew that was going to happen. Damn Chief for telling everyone he was going to ask about me. It gave the mafia the exact oppurtunity they needed. They were able to kill the inspector and to make a towny look very guilty.
Since most of you probably are thinking I am mafia I am just going to wait for questions about my actions that any of you may have. I hope I can answer them in a way that shows you I am innocent.
lets not forget this.
Stated after Chief mentioned he had already ASKED about Bacon and was waiting for Kel's response.
He could indeed be mafia, but pulled the 'ol switcheroo here and tried to make everyone think he was being framed!?
So let me get this right you think I am mafia because: 1. I both predicted the mafia would try to frame me and pointed it out when it happened 2. I was logged in when Kel posted Chief's death 3. I am defending myself
Good logic.
I hope you are not just a towny swayed by the tricks of the mafia Baconus>>>Higgi
There's something I want feedback on before voting, even if it does make me sound like a broken record...
I still have a lot of trouble believing that HGH voted for Jen (first round) & Wolf (runoff) and got whacked, despite neither of those two being Mafia. Three rounds in, and this point still can't escape me.
I'm curious about what those of you who aren't pregnant think about this...
actually I NEVER once said I thought you were mafia, big guy.
It was Kdogg who alluded to that fact, and after reading his excessively long posts I thought I would go back and do some extra reading myself and found that. He kept talking about how you may be 'BAIT' in the mafia's plan, or maybe something otherwise. So I thought I would bring that post to his attention.
Also, yes, being logged in and posting immediately after Chief's death is an indicator that you COULD HAVE been involved in his slaying.
But, once again, me, personally, never said you were mafia. Also, I am a townsperson and kill me off if you will but you'll only be losing the game for the good guys.
But who knows, maybe you and Hippie are both mafia and now you're just stacking your votes against me?
EDIT- or maybe I just pissed you both off and you're voting me out of anger. Because aside from Hippie's desperate attempt to make something out of nothing, which was more my laziness than anything, there is no reason to suspect me. I'm in it for the good guys, and open to any and all possibilities..
Until further information surfaces, I am nulling my vote.
Post by GratefulHippie on Feb 4, 2010 17:02:03 GMT -5
and again with trying to pin me as mafia with absolutely NOTHING to back up your claims
sounds to me like bacon and i are headed down the right path
kdogg...i see what you mean. but the conclusions come down to this...
a) if wolf was mafia, and NTRT was mafia, it means there's only one left, so who would that be?
b) jen is mafia, which means we should go back and look at any correlation between her and NTRT, if any(if you believe NTRT was mafia)
however, like i said, higgi all of a sudden pressing the issue of me being mafia as soon as he's called out just makes me more and more certain that he's mafia. let's not forget how easily he tricked the townies with that whole fake inspector thing. i don't doubt he could be pulling a stunt like that now.
I knew that was going to happen. Damn Chief for telling everyone he was going to ask about me. It gave the mafia the exact oppurtunity they needed. They were able to kill the inspector and to make a towny look very guilty. 
