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Post by ChiefPemperToadWigginsky on Jan 28, 2010 16:46:28 GMT -5
wow! crazy video! la cosa nostra don't play around.
Jen, you can believe me. I haven't played in a very long time so I'm very rusty. I really didn't know you already had a vote. As you can see I DID change my vote after i realized my mistake, doesnt that count for something?
wow! crazy video! la cosa nostra don't play around.
Jen, you can believe me. I haven't played in a very long time so I'm very rusty. I really didn't know you already had a vote. As you can see I DID change my vote after i realized my mistake, doesnt that count for something?
You changed your vote for me when you were the ONLY one voting for me in the run-off. Your vote change would not have made any difference anyway.
Now with HGH whacked I wonder if you really are Mafia. She said she was suspicious of your guilt so if you aren't mafia then I could see why they would whack her to make people think she got whacked for calling you guilty. They could be trying to set you up as Mafia to take the heat off them.
On the other hand...if you are Mafia you and your buddies would want either me or HGH gone since we both brought up your guilt. She said less than me so she would be the likely choice in whacking. You got rid of someone who is guilty but didn't whack the one person who has said the most about your alleged guilt.
There really isn't anyone else high on my radar right now other than you so I'll take the plunge and vote for you.
I know it is way too early to ask the inspector to out themselves but whoever you are, if you see that I am leading the townspeople astray by this theory then please jump in and set me straight. If you don't have Chief's name but you have Bama's name I would be willing to bet they are in cahoots....that is just based on the fact that if he WAS mafia he voted for me in round one because at least one of the other three people without votes are Mafia. with HGH dead that only leaves Bacon and Bama. I seriously doubt it could be HGH b/c whacking one oftheir own that early would be silly.
Post by bamadancer on Jan 28, 2010 23:59:10 GMT -5
I know I'm not mafia...if I were mafia, why would I miss a vote? I'm pretty sure I would be paying a lot more attention to this thread...
I am not 100% Chief is mafia because I think that is too obvious. HGH says she is suspicious of Chief in the first round, and then Chief dies? I think she is being set up by someone. Obviously we are going to think Chief is mafia after two people say she is suspicious and then HGH dies. I think we're being led down a path here. But I'm not 100% yet.
Not voting yet. I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts.
NTRT >>> Bacon >>> Wolf Wolf >>> NTRT >>> kdogg kdogg >>> Bek >>> null >>> Jen Bacon >>> NTRT>>>Higgi >>> Wolf HGH >>> Jen Bek >>> kdogg Hippie >>> Chief Bama >>> Hippie >>> Wolf Higgi >>> Hippie Chief >>> Jen Jen >>> Wolf >>> null >>> kdogg
Runoff Vote
Wolf: 6 votes kdogg: 5 votes
Chief >>> Jen>>>>Kdogg kdogg >>> Jen >>> Wolf Jen >>> kdogg Wolf >>> kdogg Hippie >>> Wolf NTRT >>> Wolf HGH>>>Wolf Bek>>>Kdogg Bacon>>>Wolf Higgi >>> kdogg Bama >>> Wolf
Not sure which - if any - of these thoughts are relevant, but I at least find them worth noting:
1. HGH voted for Jen in the first round & Wolf in the runoff. HGH voted for Jen before Jen voted for HGH - it's not as if she was reciprocating a vote Jen started. When the vote was tied at 2-all for kdogg/Wolf/Jen... HGH opted to vote Wolf rather than repeat her vote for Jen.
Post by ChiefPemperToadWigginsky on Jan 29, 2010 6:55:47 GMT -5
Man, I suck at this game. I tried to chill back and i still put myself at the forefront of suspicion. I am 100% not mafia, my vote for Jen was pretty random and i was trying to stretch things out. Since I'm being accused I might as well point the finger right back at ya.
i feel HGH's death should tell us something.. I have my assumptions now, and believe the culprits who killed HGH did want to get her out of the game because they know she can cause some damage. Now who would want her out of the game?
As for looking someone to be suspicious of HGH... I figure that Mafia wouldn't have directly voted HGH if they planned on whacking her all along. I further suspect that the Mafia wouldn't go along with HGH in her votes. I think the attempt at voting me off last round is related to the fact that I voted same as HGH both rounds.
I've taken the complete player roster and crossed off names of players who voted the same as HGH either round, hoping process of elimination helps us focus our suspicions.
HGH (obviously voting with herself) Kdogg Bacon Hippie Chief Jen Nite Bek Wolf Higgi Bama
Only 4 players never once voted with HGH: Wolf Jen Bek (who could be registering false-positive here because of our voting arrangement) Higgi
^ Funny how these 4 all voted against me while I was casting the exact same votes as HGH, whom the Mafia deemed too dangerous to let live...
I think we should consider them all guilty until proven innocent.
I don't have much of a defense but I can assure you I am innocent.. HGH's death is definitely key to finding the mafia right now, our inspector is still alive, I'm assuming, and I would recommend asking about some of the veteran players who might know the extent of HGH's 'skills'
Kdogg's assumption is based on voting, and that can be a good indicator most of the time. But if we are looking at a team of experienced mafia they know what NOT to do. So the voting theory, in this case, and in my opinion, is void.
For now, I am voting Bacon, because he voted me. But that is quite tentative until more information surfaces.
i feel HGH's death should tell us something.. I have my assumptions now, and believe the culprits who killed HGH did want to get her out of the game because they know she can cause some damage. Now who would want her out of the game?
Post by ChiefPemperToadWigginsky on Jan 29, 2010 21:02:21 GMT -5
I think you are on to something, kdogg. But how is Bek more guilty than the others? She hasn't said much this game and after i voted for you in the run off Jen and wolf stacked up the votes pretty quickly. I guess it depends on how you look at it. Since Bek also stacked her voted on you(kdogg).
Bek could be in cahoots but to me Jen is more guilty. But anyone who has played with me before knows that i'm easily manipulated and swayed.
Post by ☮ superbek ☮ on Jan 29, 2010 22:44:25 GMT -5
Wow I haven't been around for a minute and I have to admit that I am a little relieved that I didn't come back to like 13+ pages to read! lol... where is everybody? btw RIP HGH
I am not 100% Chief is mafia because I think that is too obvious. HGH says she is suspicious of Chief in the first round, and then Chief dies? I think she is being set up by someone. Obviously we are going to think Chief is mafia after two people say she is suspicious and then HGH dies. I think we're being led down a path here. But I'm not 100% yet.
i feel HGH's death should tell us something.. I have my assumptions now, and believe the culprits who killed HGH did want to get her out of the game because they know she can cause some damage. Now who would want her out of the game?
You both bring up interesting points.... interesting because they are polar opposites. I'm gonna keep an eye on this situation, something seems kinda fishy but as of yet idk what.
I know it is way too early to ask the inspector to out themselves but whoever you are, if you see that I am leading the townspeople astray by this theory then please jump in and set me straight. f
...and I would be lying if I said this doesn't make me suspicious as well. Jen you basically asked the inspector to out themselves, not in those exact words but honestly if someone steps in and assertively redirects you, I think the mafia would assume that person to be the inspector. Any reasonable person would want to hang on to the inspector for as long as possible... not try to get them to intervene after only one murder, personally i would think it to be better if the inspector had at least two names before coming out.
I gave this some more thought tonight and would like to share some thoughts. You might want to fix yourself a drink (not you, Jen) before proceeding...
On Handgunhips The first whack victim should be tops on the list of possible Inspectors. If - and I'm saying if - HGH was the Inspector, that leaves us two names: Jenkazoo & Wolf. HGH voted for Jen in the first round, sending Jen into the runoff. There is a plausible explanation for this, with precedent: in the absence of EAP, Jen is HGH's voting buddy.
One thing I've noticed watching her play Inspector - her first vote often isn't the name she gets. She likes to hold onto that card rather than play it right away. In a previous post, I said: With Wolf killed during the Day vote, the only one of HGH's votes left to consider in the Mafia's Night whacking decision was her vote for Jen. This statement was in error, and I wish to retract it. Mafia suspicion of a potential Inspector would remain despite a Mafia member's death.
Which brings me to HGH's second vote, for Wolf in the runoff. At that point, the runoff was 2-2-2 between myself, Jen & Wolf. I think this was a very telling moment - the first whack got to decide the lead in the runoff. If ever an Inspector had actionable information, that was the time to do something about it. Rather than repeat her vote for Jen, she went with Wolf. This fact stands out to me.
On Jenkazoo The more I think about things, the more innocent I think she is. HGH's vote for her can be explained by their reciprocal arrangement. On paper, the final vote did make her appear in cahoots with Wolf... but her previous, un-final votes also had her voting for Wolf in a close vote. I'm not as suspicious that those two are in cahoots as I was earlier. I also think the threat (promise? ) to name her daughter kdogg talksalot should not be taken lightly. I also noticed that Wolf, not Jen, voted for me first... I think it's quite likely he'd have known I'm easy to suspect, and therefore attract votes. My current take on things is that Jen is an innocent, and that the Mafia wanted a third in the runoff to improve Wolf's chances of survival. (I've noticed that Wolf was the one championing the notion of having as big a runoff as possible...)
Which brings me to one of the players who has most aroused my suspicion...
On Chief The more I thought about things, the more Chief seems to stick out. I think I might have been too quick to dismiss him from suspicion earlier. I tentatively crossed off players who had sided with HGH. Chief was included because he had voted for Jen in the initial vote. I think his runoff vote should, at the very least, put a big asterisk on ruling him out of suspicion. Chief did a total flip-flop, and the more I tried making sense of the situation the more it stuck out.
Chief had voted (along w/ HGH) to send Jen into the runoff. He initially voted for Jen in the runoff. Wolf & Jen had voted the same way (for me) both times. I can understand why he changed his vote if Jen ceased to be a viable candidate... I can't understand why he chose me, as opposed to a player who was saying the exact same thing as the player he had previously voted for (Jen). That makes me think he's protecting Wolf. Chief's vote was also the one which brought things to a 5-5 tie, before the deadline expired with Bama.
I think Chief's name definitely belongs on the suspect list.
Random Thoughts I'm not sure what to make of my Mafia mate Bek... this is the first time we've both made it to the second round with our arrangement.
If Wolf is indeed Mafia, I don't think he would be in cahoots with Higgi. During the initial vote, Wolf was calling me out for missing a shady vote involving Higgi that I hadn't noticed. If Wolf was Mafia in cahoots with Higgi, I don't think he would have called such attention to an associate.
Because of the two random thoughts above plus my thoughts on Jenkazoo, I'm not so certain the four names on my list are the only ones to suspect. Let's stay vigilant.
Between the facts that my votes matched the first whack victim and that I think I'm onto something with this post, I don't expect to live long enough to see Day Three.
At the moment, I believe Wolf & Chief are Mafia and that HGH was the Inspector with Wolf's name.
Keeping my vote with Bek for the time being - voting can't close for another two days - but I wanted to brainstorm these ideas with everyone...
Chief was included because he had voted for Jen in the initial vote. I think his runoff vote should, at the very least, put a big asterisk on ruling him out of suspicion. Chief did a total flip-flop, and the more I tried making sense of the situation the more it stuck out. ...
I can't understand why he chose me, as opposed to a player who was saying the exact same thing as the player he had previously voted for (Jen). That makes me think he's protecting Wolf. Chief's vote was also the one which brought things to a 5-5 tie, before the deadline expired with Bama.
I had a huge write up on why I thought Jen and Wolf were working together, and I almost posted it earlier, but I said at the end of last game I was going to keep from posting those convoluted theories immediately because I always convince myself that my own incorrect theories are right. Now I'm glad I waited, because I think these quotes from kdogg make a lot more sense.
As Jen pointed out at the top of page 5, when Chief switched his vote, it didn't matter, because Jen was already safe in the runoff and his vote didn't make a difference. Except his vote did make a difference, as kdogg points out. That switch protected Wolf.
I don't know if Wolf's vote for me in the first round was a joke or not, but I do know that both he and Chief have shown some strange voting patterns in this game.
I could be convinced to change my vote, but for now the person who looks the most suspicious to me is Chief.
I know it is way too early to ask the inspector to out themselves but whoever you are, if you see that I am leading the townspeople astray by this theory then please jump in and set me straight. f
I know it totally looks suspicious but if the inspector is still alive I want them to keep in mind that I could be leading the townies on a wild goosehunt with my Chief/Bama suspicions. I don't necessarily want the inspector to out themselves this round...that statement was more for them to keep in mind. When I look back on it now I see that it could give the mafia a perfect opportunity to claim false inspector later in the game so I would be wary either way now. I also would feel really bad if I made us lose by forcing the Chief/Bama scenario over and over again and it turned out I was wrong....so in a sense it was a bit of a disclaimer...like "don't blame me, blame the inspector for letting me continue rambling nonsense".
On Handgunhips The first whack victim should be tops on the list of possible Inspectors. If - and I'm saying if - HGH was the Inspector, that leaves us two names: Jenkazoo & Wolf. HGH voted for Jen in the first round, sending Jen into the runoff. There is a plausible explanation for this, with precedent: in the absence of EAP, Jen is HGH's voting buddy.
One thing I've noticed watching her play Inspector - her first vote often isn't the name she gets. She likes to hold onto that card rather than play it right away. In a previous post, I said: With Wolf killed during the Day vote, the only one of HGH's votes left to consider in the Mafia's Night whacking decision was her vote for Jen. This statement was in error, and I wish to retract it. Mafia suspicion of a potential Inspector would remain despite a Mafia member's death.
Which brings me to HGH's second vote, for Wolf in the runoff. At that point, the runoff was 2-2-2 between myself, Jen & Wolf. I think this was a very telling moment - the first whack got to decide the lead in the runoff. If ever an Inspector had actionable information, that was the time to do something about it. Rather than repeat her vote for Jen, she went with Wolf. This fact stands out to me.
I agree that this is HGH's typical inspector behavior/voting pattern. I'm not entirely convinced she is inspector but there seems to be a strong possiblility. Either way I think HGH would have been a good choice for the Mafia to off. Despite your insulting comments on her ability as inspector in Mafia 26 she has proven herself to be a fearworthy inspector and townsperson.
Kdogg's assumption is based on voting, and that can be a good indicator most of the time. But if we are looking at a team of experienced mafia they know what NOT to do. So the voting theory, in this case, and in my opinion, is void.
I couldn't agree more with you on Kdogg. When I first read his voting theory I thought he was innocent because, as you said, his using that tactic is a good indicator of his innocence....but as soon as I thought that I doubted myself because it would make complete sense for him to flip the switch on his way of doing things if he were Mafia. Reading his most current post I am leaning toward his innocence again because a lot of what he said makes sense. I'm not sure I agree that Chief was protecting Wolf...but it is always a possiblity. If Wolf was Mafia we got incredibly lucky with his death the first round and I publicly apologize for insisting his innocence, but I'm not sure this was the case.
It looks like he (Chief) may be protecting Bek at the moment. Not only that, but they are both very suspicious of me at the moment. the fact that they are both suspicious of the same person paired with Chief defending her would lead me to believe that she could be a likely partner to Chief.
I think you are on to something, kdogg. But how is Bek more guilty than the others? She hasn't said much this game and after i voted for you in the run off Jen and wolf stacked up the votes pretty quickly. I guess it depends on how you look at it. Since Bek also stacked her voted on you(kdogg).
Bek could be in cahoots but to me Jen is more guilty. But anyone who has played with me before knows that i'm easily manipulated and swayed.
Chief, I can't remember if we have played together before but I don't really see you as someone who is easily swayed or manipulated. You have definitely stood your ground so far in this particular game and by claiming you are easily swayed sounds more like you are attempting to manipulate others rather than the contrary.
OK, that is all for now. Maybe next time I will be posting from my brand new Motorola Droid! It is supposed to be delivered before 12PM today. I'm finally moving up in the cell phone world!
Kdogg- From now on anytime you have a drink you must have one for me as well. Thanks!
I may be having a brain mush moment but did you mean HGH's vote for me? I don't remember voting for HGH.
I was the one having a brain mush moment, and thanks for correcting me.
I still think the HGH/Jen reciprocal voting precedent, even if not utilized at both ends this round, still gives a plausible explanation as to why HGH voted for Jen. What I cannot think is of a similarly plausible explanation for HGH casting a completely random runoff vote for Wolf after having already sent Jen to the runoff, without her having some special knowledge about Wolf...
Post by ChiefPemperToadWigginsky on Jan 31, 2010 13:59:41 GMT -5
damn, i suck at this game. I knew i should have brought up why i changed my vote to kdogg. The worst part is...I don't even have a good reason. I felt bad for Jen and thought I figured Kdogg would beat out wolf. And also I am always suspicious of kdogg because he is so good and i wasnt sure if i could i trust him. But now i Know that i can but it doesnt matter cuz he's suspicious of me. It seems I REALLY REALLY suck at this game. I should just keep my mouth shut and my votes quiet.
And yes I am easily swayed by other's accuses and theories, always have been. I guess when i did change my vote from jen to kdogg that it didnt and wouldnt change much, another point of reference for my lack of skill at this game.
) to name her daughter kdogg talksalot should not be taken lightly.