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I thought that i was the first one to vote for you Jen. I realize that I was wrong and apologize. But I'm starting to believe wolf for some reason. I love playing this game with kdogg, but I think I'm going to change my vote to him. Sorry kdogg, I am more believing of wolf tan you at the moment.
Chief>>>>JEN>>>>>>>>>kdogg
Following Wolf, eh? "For some reason," I might add.
I believe HGH's vote for Wolf was what got her killed.
Post by bamadancer on Jan 31, 2010 17:13:17 GMT -5
Look...I don't think Jen and Wolf are mafia. They have been mafia twice right? The odds of them being mafia together AGAIN for the third time are pretty small.
I don't think Chief is mafia either. I think that the mafia are trying to set us up to make it look like that. I think it is WAY TOO obvious for Chief to be mafia.
Honestly - my thoughts on mafia? Kdogg and NTRT. So. I changed my mind - kdogg, I do think you're mafia.
Bama > kdogg
If I can be convinced otherwise I might reconsider, so this is open to change (obviously).
Look...I don't think Jen and Wolf are mafia. They have been mafia twice right? The odds of them being mafia together AGAIN for the third time are pretty small.
I don't think Chief is mafia either. I think that the mafia are trying to set us up to make it look like that. I think it is WAY TOO obvious for Chief to be mafia.
1. I have discussed the random draw methods with Kelaroo. It involved names, matched with numbers, selected by her boyfriend. That sounds random enough for my purposes... I know I'm not embracing or dismissing any particular possibilities because of it. 2. Are you telling me it is impossible for either Jen or Wolf to be Mafia now? Just because they were Mafia together the past two games does not necessarily mean they were both immune from the role in this game's random draw. Shouldn't the fact that they were Mafia in two consecutive games admit into your mind the possibility that roles can be repeated? 3. If the Mafia is setting someone up in this situation, I think it's Jen. Whacking HGH left Jen as the only player for whom HGH voted still alive to look suspicious. I think that is the set-up Mafia were trying for, hoping that we would go after Jen after they whacked HGH. If the expectation was that HGH's whack would turn us against the only living player she'd voted for, I think that pretty much makes Jen innocent here. 4. So do me a favor, and at least consider a scenario in which Wolf was Mafia & Jen is a Townsperson. Your Day One vote shows you're not only open to that possibility, but willing to vote for it...
Post by ☮ superbek ☮ on Jan 31, 2010 19:43:26 GMT -5
Jen, I understand what you're saying about the inspector... I guess I am just afraid of losing our inspector so early in the game.
I think it would be unlikely for both jen and wolf to be mafia AGAIN this round but it is VERY possible that one of them is/was mafia... We could have gotten lucky with wolf but there is no way for us to know that now... *sigh*
As I am still at a loss but I am all for runoffs, I am gonna return the favor to you kdogg...
Sorry, Bek... I know we've got an arrangement, but I refuse to be fatally faithful to it. My head's one of two on the chopping block - with the other guy in a position to send me to my death. Whatever Chief's status, if I die innocent blood is definitely spilled.
Post by ChiefPemperToadWigginsky on Jan 31, 2010 22:03:00 GMT -5
ah man! everything is wrong! we're all gonna die! If hippie is mafia then there's no hope for anyone this round.
I am the Inspector (a thankless job) and I'll admit that I'm horrible at it. NTRT was the name that was given to me. I've been trying not to keep it low key but not only do i suck at being inspector i just downright suck at this game.
After the first day I asked about kdogg and he is innocent. I asked about him because I really do enjoy his input and i am easily swayed by his well thought out theories. I had to know if i could trust him, and now i can. But that wouldn't matter because I'm in his croshairs now.
Kdogg, notice how I haven't reciprocated, that is because i KNOW of your innocence and I plead with everyone to not vote for kdogg! If i go down so be it, I'm obviously no help anyway. But At least put me in a run off with someone who might be mafia because Kelaroo told me with exclamation points of kdogg's innocence.
Bama, Bek you should change your votes away from kdogg. I don't care who it is (preferably NTRT) before Bama votes, in case she is mafia.
Here I've been wondering the significance of Hippie voting for you in Day One... and getting increasingly confused... I also considered a counter-offer to Bama about both of us changing our votes to someone else besides Chief...
Post by ChiefPemperToadWigginsky on Jan 31, 2010 22:16:32 GMT -5
and about wolf....for some reason i believed that he was not mafia (psychic powers i guess). In truth I was even more suspicious of Jen after she got so riled up but didn't want to outwardly come out and attack anyone so early in the game. Yes, it is unlikely that wolf and jen are mafia three times in a row but it IS still likely and I recall that it has happened before. Maybe not with two people but definitely with one.
I'm still suspicious of Jen but I am changing my vote to NTRT because he is the only one that i am sure of. I advise everyone who is not mafia to do the same. I'm so serial this time.
Day One, First Vote NTRT >>> Bacon >>> Wolf Wolf >>> NTRT >>> kdogg kdogg >>> Bek >>> null >>> Jen Bacon >>> NTRT>>>Higgi >>> Wolf HGH >>> Jen Bek >>> kdogg Hippie >>> Chief Bama >>> Hippie >>> Wolf Higgi >>> Hippie Chief >>> Jen Jen >>> Wolf >>> null >>> kdogg
You two started off voting like you were against each other, but you both wound up voting with each other. If NTRT is Mafia, this Day One vote absolutely reeks of you being in cahoots...
It would also clear Wolf... If that's the case, either everyone in this run-off was innocent or the only Mafia involved was Jen.
Post by ChiefPemperToadWigginsky on Jan 31, 2010 22:21:37 GMT -5
I just remembered.... the worst part about this whole situation is that when i was mafia a few months ago in a different game I totally lied and said i was the inspector. I deserved what i got that time but This time....it's for realsies! I promise. On Everything. May the universe rip open and vanquish my soul from the body and release it into nothingness.
I had a sneaking suspicion the Inspector asked about me. I figure whoever survives a runoff vote is usually the one that gets asked about... that'd narrow it down to 50-50 odds of the Inspector knowing about me.
So... let me just make sure I've got this scenario down right...
Chief = Inspector NTRT = Mafia, name given to Inspector. kdogg = cleared by Inspector Night One
HGH = Mafia's first whack (probably Townsperson) after she voted for the following: Wolf = voted against by NTRT into runoff, so is probably innocent... Jen = the reason Mafia got worried & whacked HGH?
Chief I would normally believe your inspector claim, but I can also see the potential both you and Kdogg are mafia. I can tell you I am innocent I voted for NTRT as a joke and then changed my vote to increase the number of players in the run-off.
For the same reason NTRT and I would be. You are a mafia mastermind and I know for a fact Chief is no where near as bad as he is trying to represent himself. You too could have easily planned this all out.
Please note I have not made a decsion either way yet. I want to hear what everyone else thinks.
Staying null until everyone has a chance to process recent events.
Bacon, if you cast a vote for anyone but NTRT you're skyrocketing on my suspect list... you should also know that I simply despise the fake Inspector ruse and have never tolerated its use in any of MY Mafias...
I am a Townsperson (under penalty of sodomy, I might add) so I know for a fact that what Chief's saying about my innocence is absolutely, 100% truth. Make what you want of the rest of it, but I assure you of that much.
Post by ChiefPemperToadWigginsky on Jan 31, 2010 23:09:31 GMT -5
We are not in cahoots, but i will agree that i was surprised that kdogg was so quick to believe me. And yes i'm not very good at this game, The past three times i've played I've been killed relatively early and don't have the gumption to constantly keep up with everyone's votes, that's why i rely on people like kdogg. I just sit back and eat a 3 foot bowl of corn while other people prove what my earlier suspicions already were. But yes once I'm about to die I gather the energy needed to defend my village, a task any Chief is proud to take on.
And I'll add that as soon as night one was over and I knew that kdogg was "keepin' it one hunnid" I've been trying to get him on my side but kdogg hasn't shown any trust until after i outed myself as Inspector.
The window of time between vote/whack still seems abnormally short to me, whatever you say.
It's quite possible that both parties knew of their Night decision before Day even ended. It's quite possible both PMs got to you in that time window. You're just saying what a Ref in your position is supposed to say.
While I respect that stance... I'm still not buying it.
Well, I guess I'll go with chief since he has neither voted, nor been voted for.
Happy Birthday, Wolf!!
i was right in the last game about wolf's suspicious vote for me when i'd already voted for someone else. so, i made sure i voted for someone in which that would not be the case. it would lead to reciprocal voting, just like kdogg and bek, just like jen and HGH, etc. in fact, i was the one that both bama and higgi voted for after i'd already cast my vote for chief, and before he'd returned my vote. so, i'm not ready to write off higgi and bama as possible mafia candidates.
now, as for chief's inspector claim...the only reason i am not ready to completely believe him is because of something HGH said earlier, that could have been easily overlooked...
I actually am more suspicious of Chief than I am of Jen.. I know that does no good now-- But Jen already had vote from me when Chief voted for her. He said he didn't want to single anyone out, but he singled her out by giving her two votes.
it seems weird that now Chief comes out as inspector. especially if he only has one name. now we run the risk of him dying overnight, and whomever is even slightly associated with him is accused, and we're still left with only one for sure mafia name. maybe we're getting too close to mafia and they got desperate?
on the other hand, kdogg seems less testy than last game when he was called out as mafia, so i'm inclined to believe his innocence, which in turn would lead me to believe chief was inspector.
i just kinda skimmed through all the long posts, so let me go through and give it a good read-over before i cast a vote. and can anyone post an updated tally(if it hasn't been done since i hit "reply" )
now, as for chief's inspector claim...the only reason i am not ready to completely believe him is because of something HGH said earlier, that could have been easily overlooked...
I actually am more suspicious of Chief than I am of Jen.. I know that does no good now-- But Jen already had vote from me when Chief voted for her. He said he didn't want to single anyone out, but he singled her out by giving her two votes.
If HGH is debating which of these two names is more suspicious... does this imply she didn't know anything definite about either of them? We should also consider that both Higgi & Bama cast votes against Hippie before Chief even voted for Jen. Instead of merely reciprocating, he would have been a 3rd vote against Hippie - giving her the lead at that point. You could arguably be dead instead of Wolf, if not for Chief...
it seems weird that now Chief comes out as inspector. especially if he only has one name. now we run the risk of him dying overnight, and whomever is even slightly associated with him is accused, and we're still left with only one for sure mafia name. maybe we're getting too close to mafia and they got desperate?
If Chief's an Inspector outing himself, it's because he was under duress and desperate himself. I proactively put him ahead of me in the vote tally, and it wasn't until then that he said anything. I'm guessing, in that position, it's better to come out with what you've got than letting nobody see your notes. Notice that he wouldn't reciprocate my vote for him when his head was on the chopping block. That's the kind of thing that earns my trust.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Jan 31, 2010 23:39:39 GMT -5
Chief is about to die, and so he comes out as "inspector." Right, never seen that one before. I don't know why he singled me out instead of someone else, but I know he's lying to try to save himself.
You two started off voting like you were against each other, but you both wound up voting with each other. If NTRT is Mafia, this Day One vote absolutely reeks of you being in cahoots...
I don't get why you're saying my vote for wolf looks suspicious. I started out voting for bacon, and then wolf voted for me right after that (remember, for "funsies"). Of course I'm going to change my vote to wolf after that. If anyone looked suspicious there, it was wolf, not me.
And then my vote for Wolf in the runoff wasn't a new vote. I was sticking with my first round vote. That's usually how runoffs work, and I didn't see any good reason to switch votes at that point.
