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Post by nitetimeritetime on Feb 1, 2010 14:59:51 GMT -5
kdogg, I'll say the same thing to you. You didn't vote for me, but you made a deal that gave me a vote. It's 4-3 now, and you've already basically told Bacon that if he doesn't vote for me then you're going after him next. At 5-3 there is no runoff. If you want a runoff, somebody has to vote for someone besides me or Chief.
Post by GratefulHippie on Feb 1, 2010 15:38:57 GMT -5
am i invisible? would someone please go back to my last post on page 7 and respond?
like bacon, i too am feeling very manipulated. sending one person in against his accuser solves nothing, IMO. however, i am hesitant to cast my vote at this point because everyone seems to be on a witch hunt, and i don't think this runoff will do anything but implicate all the wrong people for reasons i listed in my last post.
so i'm not voting until someone speaks up. i don't like feeling as though i'm being bullied or pushed into something.
Post by GratefulHippie on Feb 1, 2010 15:40:53 GMT -5
just to make it easier...here it is...
ok, so bacon and i would need to vote for Chief in order to send it into a runoff, correct?
if we put the alleged inspector against the alleged mafia member he's directly accusing, and he's RIGHT, the mafia will just make sure they all vote for NTRT so they don't appear suspicious. because at this point, anyone who seems directly opposed to chief's claim as inspector, also implies that kdogg may not be innocent, therefore casting guilt on themselves on more than one level.
so, i don't see how a runoff between these two will be at all productive. i am, however, more than ok with offing the one name he claims to have. i feel like the real inspector wouldn't have come out with such little info unless he had to, which chief felt he did. also, i think that with the questions surrounding chief's claim, that the mafia would have conjured up some other story about them being inspector to at least split the votes, no?
i don't know. i think at this point i'd rather risk killing an innocent who MIGHT be mafia, than killing an innocent who MIGHT be inspector. does that make sense?
i'll let people respond before i cast my vote. i'd like to hear some feedback. [/quote]
ok, so bacon and i would need to vote for Chief in order to send it into a runoff, correct?
if we put the alleged inspector against the alleged mafia member he's directly accusing, and he's RIGHT, the mafia will just make sure they all vote for NTRT so they don't appear suspicious. because at this point, anyone who seems directly opposed to chief's claim as inspector, also implies that kdogg may not be innocent, therefore casting guilt on themselves on more than one level.
so, i don't see how a runoff between these two will be at all productive. i am, however, more than ok with offing the one name he claims to have. i feel like the real inspector wouldn't have come out with such little info unless he had to, which chief felt he did. also, i think that with the questions surrounding chief's claim, that the mafia would have conjured up some other story about them being inspector to at least split the votes, no?
i don't know. i think at this point i'd rather risk killing an innocent who MIGHT be mafia, than killing an innocent who MIGHT be inspector. does that make sense?
i'll let people respond before i cast my vote. i'd like to hear some feedback.
1. Mafia all voting for NTRT, at least to me, would come across as them cutting their losses. It also might be confirmation of Chief's claims. 2. Chief's Inspector claim is not one and the same with his statement that I am innocent... as NTRT pointed out, he got owned by Bacon's fake-Inspector ruse when Bacon claimed that he was the innocent one. That's why I'm hesitant to follow Chief so blindly. A Mafia would know of my innocence just as much as an Inspector who asked about me. 3. As far as this point goes: i think at this point i'd rather risk killing an innocent who MIGHT be mafia, than killing an innocent who MIGHT be inspector. Either of these two MIGHT be innocent. NTRT is either innocent or is Mafia. Chief is either Inspector or is Mafia. There is no "innocent who MIGHT be Inspector" with Chief - he's either Inspector or Mafia. I think it's safe to rule out Chief being a Townsperson. There's no way one of these two isn't Mafia. 4. I'm starting to understand your doubts about a runoff being productive. If things come down to a runoff, I'm going to change my vote to NTRT anyway and look suspicious for flip-flopping... so I think it might not be telling after all. I'm starting to think it might be just as well to hasten that inevitable decision and finish it up this round. We've already got everybody on the record for one of these two... and most of the people I've been suspicious of are already voting for Chief.
so, i don't see how a runoff between these two will be at all productive. i am, however, more than ok with offing the one name he claims to have. i feel like the real inspector wouldn't have come out with such little info unless he had to, which chief felt he did.
You're obviously not interested in a runoff, and your deciding vote looks like it's coming my way. So I'm nulling my vote.
Higgi, Bama, if either of you are interested in a runoff, one of you has to change your vote to someone besides me or Chief. I'm keeping my vote null until I hear from higgi and/or bama.
Just wanted to let everyone know I am playing catch up. I'll be back soon to put in my two cents. I am only at the part where Chief came out as inspector. Be back soon!
Post by GratefulHippie on Feb 1, 2010 15:59:21 GMT -5
well, you are correct, NTRT, that my gut says to vote for you...for obvious reasons.
kdogg...you did make a good point that chief is either innocent or mafia. i guess i just feel like i'd rather risk it now(vote for NTRT) and possibly be rid of a mafia, than not do it and risk losing the inspector. because my guess is we lose him tonight regardless. if chief really is inspector, and he does only have NTRT's name, that leaves us with very little to go on as far as who else could be mafia, and who could have been in cahoots with NTRT.
so, i'm sorry, but my vote goes to NTRT because i think another runoff is silly at this point. at least between the two everyone seems to want to put in there.
If Chief lives through the night, he's going to have another name to give us. Not saying that name will be legitimate, but it will give us further information to possibly act on one way or another.
I can't help but notice that Chief voted for Jen in Day One. HGH voted for Jen in Day One, and she got whacked... I am not entirely certain that this is coincidence.
I think this adds some legitimacy to Chief's claims.
I'm backing down from forcing a runoff, and since I'm backing out of an agreement between myself & Bek & I... I think it's only fair to give her time to reconsider her vote.
At this point is a run-off necessary? They are pretty much IN a run-off with each other right now with one person as the deciding vote. I doubt the votes will change that much from this vote to the run-off. I am confused.
After responding to Hippie's final post on the last page, I'm saying that a runoff doesn't matter so much. Between the fact that everyone is on record for one of these players, and the fact that I would opt for NTRT in a runoff... I don't think it matters so much. I think steering things towards these two is already telling enough.
Hippie, for some reason I feel like we are always on opposite teams of the game so we usually don't agree but right now I agree with everything you are saying. I don't feel a run-off is going to help matters. I alsi think I'd rather risk killing an innocent than a true blue inspector. We can always kill Chief next round and stay wary that he could be lying. No one else has stepped up as inspector and I doubt it was HGH....unless Chief REALLY is Mafia and she had his name....but even if that is the case all she did was agree that he looked guiltier than me. She never truly accused him. I'm changing my vote to NTRT. Hippie, if you change your mind and think we need a run-off I'll change however I need to. If I vote for myself I think there could be an even run-off although I don't see the need for it.
I think it is interesting that Bacon chose to vote NTRT only after I changed my vote and Hippie has stated she is leaning toward him as well. It already looks like NTRT will die so it would be safe for him to vote a fellow mafia member to make himself look innocent. Just a thought....may not be true.
I said I'd give Bek a chance to reconsider, and I will vote once that has happened.
In the meantime... since Chief has outed himself as Inspector, are we better off asking him who he intends to ask about at Night? Would we be better off with him on the record for a single name, or a list of possibilities? Will that make any difference as to whether he gets whacked or not?
Sorry for double post....but here is another thought. Why is NTRT nulling his vote? Possibly to buy time while he and Bacon decide how to get him out of this mess?
I think it is interesting that Bacon chose to vote NTRT only after I changed my vote and Hippie has stated she is leaning toward him as well. It already looks like NTRT will die so it would be safe for him to vote a fellow mafia member to make himself look innocent. Just a thought....may not be true.
I also noticed votes swinging NTRT's way after I pointed out that: 1. I would change my vote from Chief to NTRT in a runoff, and 2. most everyone I already suspect had been voting for Chief.
I think it is interesting that Bacon chose to vote NTRT only after I changed my vote and Hippie has stated she is leaning toward him as well. It already looks like NTRT will die so it would be safe for him to vote a fellow mafia member to make himself look innocent. Just a thought....may not be true.
I know this is not going to change much but just for the record I forgot to refresh the page before I posted. I didn't even know you had changed your vote. Not that it would change what I was going to do.
For the record, I still feel like I am making a huge mistake letting my guard down against Chief. I am scared he and Kdogg may have concoted this whole ruse. I'm keeping that in mind going into the next round. The only thing that is allowing me to give Chief the benefit of a doubt is that no one else has stepped forward to refute his claims.
