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I believe he was saying Jack's silence was suspicious, but maybe i'm reading it wrong. Either way all I did was vote for someone who voted for me. That's it.
I was referring to Jack's silence there. Handgun's had/recovering from surgery and she's participating more than he is.
Like I said, I can understand why Bacon broke the impasse and they wound up with two votes apiece... I think Silent Jack's involvement in that foursome might be making me y'all more suspicion-by-association than I should be. I was kinda hoping he'd speak up in the runoff, but that hasn't happened. If Jack's the one bugging me here, I certainly don't want to be voting the same way he is... I must change it.
kdogg >>> null until I do some re-reading
Sorry man - I've been busy. It's a lame excuse, I know, but it's the tail end of midterms week here at my college and I've been kind of burnt out from writing papers and studying for exams. On the plus side, spring break starts tomorrow afternoon (well, technically today), so I'll be able to give the game a lot more attention for at least the next week and a half. My initial vote for Airline was random in my typical first round, non-random way - if no one has aroused my suspicion yet, I usually pick a player who has neither voted nor been voted for yet, to avoid aligning myself with anyone else early on in the game. Typically my posts in later rounds usually include some sort of justification or reasoning for my decision, but in the first round, they're just names on a page. Since Airline changed his vote for me, though, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one and change my vote in the run-off. As of now, I'm leaning towards Jen because of her accusations against Higgi. If anything, Higgi's vote seems to indicate to me that he's not guilty. If he is guilty, I doubt he would have voted for himself. I think he would have just aligned himself with one of the innocent townspeople who voted for another innocent townie - it would be a very easy kill, and it might allow him to win the trust of the other townsperson in later rounds. Plus, he could have argued that his vote was strictly in the interest of self-preservation, since nobody is reasonably expected to vote for themselves.
NTRT >>> Bacon kdogg >>> Airline >>> Bek Jack >>> Airline >>> Jen Airline >>> Bacon Bek >>> Jen >>> null >>> Bacon Chief >>> Jen Bacon >>> Bek Higgi >>> Bek HGH >>> Bacon Jen >>> Bek EAP >>> Jen
I'm driving somewhere for Spring Break, so I'll close voting around 5 if there aren't any developments. Thanks to the people posting vote totals. You've been really helping me out.
I went back through the thread, and I have something very odd to report...
Bek under-reported the tally for both herself and Jen by one vote. I find this curious. Jen, I could maybe just write off as clerical error since it wasn't the only one Bek made... that, or maybe EAP's vote-editing shenanigans threw her off, but that only explains the Jen error...
But the other one? Herself? Before Bek's vote & tally, she was tied with Bacon. After Bek's vote & tally, Bacon was ahead by two votes. Something about this does not sit right with me.
yeah and that definitely wasn't a corned out mistake. I think you people just want me to be guilty which is btw, exactly what the mafia want you to think. I have played this game once or twice before, do you think I would honestly and voluntarily hang myself the first round if I was mafia? A vote for me is a wasted vote and an injustice for the townspeople.
That being the case, I'm making you an offer. I am comfortable stacking with you on either of the remaining intact vote pairings - HGH/EAP or Jen/Chief. If you vote for one of them, I'll vote for their corresponding partner.
If you don't want to, let me know and my vote will revert back to you.
Well I did do that, I randomly voted for jen which would have put you voting for chief... but you didn't. I mean you did, but then you changed your vote so bottom line is you didn't hold up your end of the bargain. Very unlike you to not hold true to your word, mr. dogg.
Also, you were willing to work with me initially to make the first round more successful but now you are trying to throw me under the bridge since I cannot vote for you. I mean, I even asked if the tally was right! I smell a rat...
I keep my vote for bacon as he is the one who landed me here. Like I said, the mafia have the numbers the first round and they will take down a towns person and if it is me that goes down then you will know bacon is guilty because from the looks of it, the mafia would be smart to keep me alive since you all want my head. However if bacon goes down well then you can all keep falsely accusing me.
I don't know if I wanna play with you guys any more... I wanna take my ball and go home.
That being the case, I'm making you an offer. I am comfortable stacking with you on either of the remaining intact vote pairings - HGH/EAP or Jen/Chief. If you vote for one of them, I'll vote for their corresponding partner.
If you don't want to, let me know and my vote will revert back to you.
Well I did do that, I randomly voted for jen which would have put you voting for chief... but you didn't. I mean you did, but then you changed your vote so bottom line is you didn't hold up your end of the bargain. Very unlike you to not hold true to your word, mr. dogg.
Also, you were willing to work with me initially to make the first round more successful but now you are trying to throw me under the bridge since I cannot vote for you. I mean, I even asked if the tally was right! I smell a rat...
I don't think you fully followed what I was saying.
I didn't kill our deal. Our deal was dead when we walked away from it... which is why I made this comment.
Since my proposal has failed in keeping Bek - one of the 2-3 people I maybe kinda trust at this point - off the chopping block... I have no problem straying from a deal that has failed to realize its purpose.
That only left me with four players: HGH EAP Jen Chief They were both voting pairs, which worked perfect for our purposes: 1. Let me give Bek an out 2. They were conveniently paired for Bek & my votes to oppose one another, as is usually the case when we vote each other - which wasn't one of the possible compromises. 3. It expanded the runoff field, which I think is good for the Townspeople in the long run.
Note my stated primary objective in offering you the deal. I felt you were unjustly targeted for questioning Higgi's self-vote.
Did I not give you an out? You were back in the runoff not longer after I did let you out - and not through my doing. That was Bacon's vote that did that. At that point, our deal was not keeping you out of the runoff. I believe the legalese term for that is "nonperforming contract."
You'll notice I didn't even like the vote I'd changed to - I rescinded that vote when I realized I was voting with Jack, who was too quiet for my liking. If I could call mulligans and stick with Chief, I probably would... but we all can't just go and edit our votes all willy-nilly, now can we?
It might just be unfortunate timing that I came across that error you made with a null vote. You know how this game can get. And I know you, Bek... if we were in each other's place in this exact same situation, you would be calling me out for the exact same reasons. We both know this. I'd like to think that either of us would call out another player if they posted an erroneous vote tally that controlled their fate.
I realize it's possible that you did make an honest mistake, but I'll be damned if that wasn't one suspicious honest mistake. Surely you can forgive someone for legitimate suspicion in that case. The legitimacy of your suspicion of Higgi was exactly why I earlier thought you didn't belong in the runoff... and why I should be giving you the benefit of the doubt now.
I'm tempted to just throw up my hands & re-vote Airline because I know there's no Mafia voting for him... but I'm definitely open to persuasion at this point about everyone else. Since Wolf didn't close voting tonight, we're stuck in this runoff until Monday anyway...
As of now, I'm leaning towards Jen because of her accusations against Higgi. If anything, Higgi's vote seems to indicate to me that he's not guilty. If he is guilty, I doubt he would have voted for himself. I think he would have just aligned himself with one of the innocent townspeople who voted for another innocent townie - it would be a very easy kill, and it might allow him to win the trust of the other townsperson in later rounds. Plus, he could have argued that his vote was strictly in the interest of self-preservation, since nobody is reasonably expected to vote for themselves.
Jack324 >>> Airline >>> Jen
I have only gotten to this post in catching up so I may have more to say but I feel the need to address this immediately:
Jack....are you sure you didn't mean Bek? I didn't accuse Higgi, Bek did. I said that I would have done the same thing in Higgi's situation.
I'm changing my vote to Bek...mostly to save myself and partly because Higgi's explanation for his self-vote make more sense to me than the suspicion you and Bek have toward it. Plus, Chief doesn't really seem guilty to me at this point.
That and Higgi... I can't be the only one who finds his self-vote more suspect than Bek's suspicion of it, can I? kdogg >>> Airline
I might have done the same thing in his position.....I think I'd rather cast a self-vote than be the one to kill someone and put a target on my back so early on. He DID wait a long time to jump in and vote....and that could be suspicious. But if he is Mafia why wouldn't he have take the opportunity to off someone? I know it is a typical Mafia move to be the last vote....but waiting just to make the outcome an 11 way run-off? Bek's suspicion of it is way more suspect to me. I think at first glance Higgi's move was suspicious but I just don't see what his motive would have been and what he would have accomplished by it.
The only thing I said to even remotely imply Higgi's guilt was this early post in response to Chief:
Chief-I was surprised the game started too since there hadn't been any new posts about it. I happened to sign in and see my PM early enough to get my vote in.....so I agree it IS plausible but I would never rely on that to rule out Higgi's guilt since ANYTHING can be used as a Mafia excuse
Calling someone guilty and saying I would never rule out their guilt is two entirely different things. I would not rule out anyone's guilt completely in the first round or first run-off b/c there is not enough info to be sure about it.
SO...with that said, your stated reasons for voting me are totally false. I have not made any accusations toward Higgi. If anything it is evident from my my posts pretty much mirror your opinion that his self-vote makes him seem more innocent.
Was voting for me a mistake...did you mean to say Bek? She was the one pressing the guilty Higgi issue, not me. Your explanation for voting for me just doesn't add up to the facts. Maybe you just misunderstood what I was trying to say about Higgi?
Jack, you can keep your vote for me but if you are truly only voting for me because you think I am pressing Higgi's guilt then you may want to look at some other people.
If you have other reasons for voting me then by all means keep it the same...but now that you know your original reasons don't actually reflect my intentions you might want to reconsider.
Post by ☮ superbek ☮ on Mar 13, 2010 18:01:36 GMT -5
I see what you're getting at kdogg. I can see how the vote tally could look suspicious but I swear that I am not mafia. I told you I was just, you know... nommed out.
People do make mistakes, especially past their bed time. For example, look at jack... he meant to vote for me but accidentally voted for jen and eap accidentally voted ntrt when he wasn't even in the run off but I mess up the vote tally and then ask if it is correct and that makes me mafia?
I have tried to help you all see that I am a townsperson. I am fighting for it because you're gonna feel like assholes when you realize I'm not mafia. However, look at bacon. What has he said or done to prove his innocence? Nothing... probably because he is afraid to say anything because you'll start voting for him instead of me but I have nothing to be afraid of because I am a townsperson. I really could not care less if you guess get rid of me and I don't get to play this game because you're already wearing me out but I really hate to see you guys lose a townsperson.
^this is true, i did make a mistake. but my mistake didn't save myself. it basically didn't matter b/c it wouldn't have changed the vote.
I'm glad you bring this up again. I've been contemplating that vote quite a bit lately, and wanted to ask you something about it...
I am curious to know exactly which round of voting you thought we were in when that vote was made/edited.
I did think we were in the runoff. I know everyone uses this excuse (I also feel like it is legit 98% of the time! Haha) but I was corned out and watching the new episode of ugly betty I dvr'ed. The only thing I can think of is that I looked back really quickly and NTRT's vote is the first one listed, so maybe my eyes thought he was a choice.
Obviously if this pointed to any sort of guilt, I wouldn't have broughten it up again. I think whoever the mafia whack this time will tell us a lot.
OK, thanks for the clarification... I couldn't tell whether the mistake was in not knowing which voting round we were in, or in not knowing which candidates were in the runoff.
Everyone - I said earlier that I was open to persuasion, and this is still the case. I plan changing my vote tonight, I'm just not yet sure to whom. So far, it looks like Bek's the only one who's taken me up on my "persuade me" plea... I'll be rolling things around in my head while I deliver tonight, but I'll wait until after work to do anything. Consider this "last call" for persuasion, if anyone has a reason for me to be changing (or keeping) my vote.
Sorry... meant to come here after work last night. Ran into an old friend who's back in the state for a court appearance arising from our post-high school reunion celebration, wound up getting wasted, just woke up about ten minutes ago. Fun times.
Rather than decide my vote on the best reason to vote for someone, I ruled people out based on the best reasons not to vote for them.
I'm not sticking with my vote for Bek, obviously.
I don't see what exactly Bacon's done that should have me presuming his guilt - especially if I'm deciding his fate. I can understand why he broke the voting impasse, but I don't understand why that presumes him guilty.
I already decided to abandon my vote for Airline, and I prefer to keep things that way for the moment. While he doesn't have any Mafia voting for him for sure, he doesn't have anyone voting for him. I think that might be a wasted vote.
I had the hardest time thinking of a reason not to vote for Jen. The couple reasons I could think of involved players I think are sketchier than she is... but they're not on the ballot & the other players gave me more solid reasoning not to vote for them. I could be wrong here, but I'm going to do it anyway...
That was some quick vote closure. I had been hoping something would change, because I'm not so sure that killing Bacon or Bek is the right thing to do. First rounds can suck like that.
Since I've got to choose one of them... kdogg >>> Bacon
Surprised it took me this long to mess it up.