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Between the spill in the Gulf and the spill in Alaska, Hell yeah BP is being boycotted. I want stickers to post on their signs that say, "Bringing oil to American shores"
Post by tankedlemur on Jun 5, 2010 12:15:35 GMT -5
Boycott all you guys want but the truth is BP is bigger then anyone at bonnaroo. in order to really make a impact you would need support from the whole country.
^blasted1 brings up an interesting point. BP may well end up pulling out of the U.S. market due to loss of revenue as a result of the oil spill. Keep in mind, however, that the C-stores that sell BP gasoline are also locally operated businesses that support local people who are just trying to make a living like the rest of us. Boycott BP petroleum if you must, but don't punish the people who run the stores.
Station owners more or less break even on gas sales and make the bulk of their profits off shoppers in the actual store. This is why grocery stores and Wal-Marts, etc. getting gas stations is a problem for smaller business owners, as they entice people away from just running in and grabbing a few things at a convenience store. Gas can be part of one-stop shopping. That being said, you can still forego the gas and buy the $5 sub that guy was talking about earlier and boycott BP while supporting local business owners.
Boycott all you guys want but the truth is BP is bigger then anyone at bonnaroo. in order to really make a impact you would need support from the whole country.
All anyone ever needs to do is stand up for themselves and let their voice be heard, no matter how small it may seem now. Apathy is why America is in the weeds.
bp wont notice shit from us boycotting their gas stations. not only do they make majority of their profits elsewhere but they already have huge losses coming and this will be such a small loss in comparison.
on the other hand think about who gets hurt. its the people that are running and managing these stations. please think logically, i know how easy it is to just see the bp sign and think f you guys but seriously, your just hurting fellow americans by boycotting
bp wont notice Leno from us boycotting their gas stations. not only do they make majority of their profits elsewhere but they already have huge losses coming and this will be such a small loss in comparison.
on the other hand think about who gets hurt. its the people that are running and managing these stations. please think logically, i know how easy it is to just see the bp sign and think f you guys but seriously, your just hurting fellow americans by boycotting
First off, CoCo for your Sabres logo.
Secondly, I agree that a boycott will hurt the gas sales of the people who own these stations more than they will hurt the company itself. That doesn't make me want to buy from BP stations, though. I sympathize with what the owners are going through but it's up to them to take the pressure that they feel from their lost customers and turn it onto BP.
I disagree that it's a dumb dumb dumb thing to do. It may not have the monumental impact on BP that we'd all like it to but it's better than continuing on like there's nothing wrong. Or, worse yet, going out of your way to give your business to them to support the 'wronged' BP station owners.
Try not to look at it as hurting your fellow Americans but helping different Americans who aren't openly aligned with a company doing terrible things to the Gulf at the moment.
This is exactly the press that BP wants out there. The media saying that it doesn't hurt BP but store owners, while true, glosses over the fact that these boycotts are doing exactly what they are supposed to do: make a statement against BP. It's getting national (and, I'd assume, international) media coverage.
The fact of the matter, these boycotts are not about using less gas (sadly) but about shifting our gas revenue to different vendors. While it may be hurting the station owners, it is helping out other station owners who are not affiliated with BP and that sounds fair and reasonable to me.
id think any gain other stations get from boycotting customers will be extremely negligible because there are so many alternatives. im just saying its dumb to hurt fellow americans who are trying to earn an honest living and getting screwed over because of all this. bp is getting hurt so much more due to the spill than they ever will from a boycott. it just doesnt make sense to boycott them.
no statement needs to be made, they are going to be screwed with possible lawsuits and huge bills to compensate for the damage done to the land and to businesses. they know they are fucked and to say we should boycott them and screw fellow citizens over to "make a statement" just doesnt make sense to me. bp will pay and im sure they already know we are pissed beyond belief. so yeah i think its safe to say boycotting the stations is pretty dumb
id think any gain other stations get from boycotting customers will be extremely negligible because there are so many alternatives. im just saying its dumb to hurt fellow americans who are trying to earn an honest living and getting screwed over because of all this.
So does your argument boil down to 'don't do anything because it won't have any impact' or 'don't do anything because the impact is hurting the wrong people?'
Post by tankedlemur on Jun 5, 2010 19:56:08 GMT -5
I would like to point out my first post in this thread. Just because the sign doesn't say "BP" does not mean that you are not pumping BP fuel into your vehicle. It all depends on which terminal the gas came from, which carrier, and your location.
EDIT: An example would be a Flying J truck stop. They don't produce fuel they buy it from BP.
"In 2008, BP announced it was exiting the retail gasoline business because the margins were lousy. Today, BP owns only about 100 of the 900 or so gas stations bearing its name. The rest are operated by independent business owners..."
Boycotting BP stations is asinine. You're only hurting those who own those stations.....NOT BP. Boycotting will do nothing. Make it a political issue if you want....your vote would carry more weight.
Don't have a knee jerk reaction. This situation sucks; but it's not like BP wanted this to happen. They are aggressively attempting to stop the leak under unprecedented conditions.
I believe those boycotting are the same who hate oil companies in general. In which case...boycott all oil companies.
"In 2008, BP announced it was exiting the retail gasoline business because the margins were lousy. Today, BP owns only about 100 of the 900 or so gas stations bearing its name. The rest are operated by independent business owners..."
Rabble Rabble Rabble.
If I were one of those savvy independent business owner, I'd have a new sign up by now.
unless you plan on boycotting all oil based products then your boycott is pointless. BP does not make its money selling fuel and furthermore 80% of BP stations are franchise owned meaning the boycott would only affect the small business owner.
all plastics are made from oil and many of our fibers are. your tent, rainfly, and tarp are all oil bassed
all plastics are made from oil and many of our fibers are. your tent, rainfly, and tarp are all oil based
Asphalt used to pave roads, hmm... portapotties are made from plastic, tires on vehicles, all those platic bottles 'cause we can't use glass, pesticides and fertilizers to make the farm green and comfortable, insulation for all the electrical wiring... You'd be very hard pressed to name anything manufactured not utilizing oil in some form or fashion.
I'm still going with my original gut response of not giving my money to a gas station with a big BP sign and giving it to somebody else. I prefer to think of it as helping someone who is not advertising for BP, but I'm a glass is half full kinda guy.
Just to clarify, are those of you who are making that argument that boycotting BP-branded stations is wrong arguing that we should make it a point give them our business because this situation is unfairly hurting them financially?
Post by pandy fackler on Jun 6, 2010 9:57:16 GMT -5
i believe those arguing that the boycott is wrong are trying to get those who are pro-boycott to understand that by avoiding BP stations you are doing more damage to the small-business owners of that gas station/convenience store than the BP company itself, which makes sense, in the last few years BP has moved the majority of their business away from automobile gas stations and into other parts of the oil and gas industry.
i, for one, will still be "boycotting". this is one of the biggest, stupidest quackups in human history. i was born, raised, and live in louisiana, and this spill is going to change our environment and economy for the rest of my life
Boycott all you guys want but the truth is BP is bigger then anyone at bonnaroo. in order to really make a impact you would need support from the whole country.
All anyone ever needs to do is stand up for themselves and let their voice be heard, no matter how small it may seem now. Apathy is why America is in the weeds.
Amen to that!!! Unite against BP! It only takes one to start! If we are all that 1, look what could happen!! Boycott BP!!
I will be boycotting BP stations. If local businesses get hurt too it's more incentive for them to realign themselves with other brands or to put more pressure on BP to get it's act together.
The main problem is you don't know if you're buying gas from BP or not. The supply companies (like BP) sell their gas to lots of stations that don't bear the BP name. Not only do they sell to their subsidiaries, but they sell it to other unaffiliated stations as well. That local gas station in your city might be actual buying BP gas, because they obviously don't operate their own oil platforms. To make matters worse, there are usually very few (sometimes one) fuel suppliers in an area. That means you really have no choice in the supplier, you're buying the same gas, just from a different pump.
Boycotts on gas are pretty much useless because of this. You might turn down a BP station that buys their gas from some other company and instead fill up at another station that gets gas from BP. I understand the hate for BP, but boycotts aren't the right way to show your anger in this case.
The main problem is you don't know if you're buying gas from BP or not. The supply companies (like BP) sell their gas to lots of stations that don't bear the BP name. Not only do they sell to their subsidiaries, buy they sell it to other unaffiliated stations as well. That local gas station in your city might be actual buying BP gas, because they obviously don't operate their own oil platforms. To make matters worse, there are usually very few (sometimes one) fuel suppliers in an area. That means you really have no choice in the supplier, you're buying the same gas, just from a different pump.
Boycotts on gas are pretty much useless because of this. You might turn down a BP station that buys their gas from some other company and instead fill up at another station that gets gas from BP. I understand the hate for BP, but boycotts aren't the right way to show your anger in this case.
ive been saying this for a few days, no one seems to get it
The main problem is you don't know if you're buying gas from BP or not. The supply companies (like BP) sell their gas to lots of stations that don't bear the BP name. Not only do they sell to their subsidiaries, but they sell it to other unaffiliated stations as well. That local gas station in your city might be actual buying BP gas, because they obviously don't operate their own oil platforms. To make matters worse, there are usually very few (sometimes one) fuel suppliers in an area. That means you really have no choice in the supplier, you're buying the same gas, just from a different pump.
Boycotts on gas are pretty much useless because of this. You might turn down a BP station that buys their gas from some other company and instead fill up at another station that gets gas from BP. I understand the hate for BP, but boycotts aren't the right way to show your anger in this case.
I think most of us get that there are gas stations that are not "BP" gas stations that still sell their products. The idea is that if you know that they sell BP, then you avoid them. (Even if they don't make much - or any - profit, at least that is a decline in demand for their product.)
It seems unlike that BP would allow stations to carry their name but not their gas, though. And if they are, well, no would be a good time for a name change!
I guess the sentiment is that it might not be much (and there might not be much that we can do now at all), but it's something. So you do what you can rather than doing nothing.