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The main problem is you don't know if you're buying gas from BP or not. The supply companies (like BP) sell their gas to lots of stations that don't bear the BP name. Not only do they sell to their subsidiaries, but they sell it to other unaffiliated stations as well. That local gas station in your city might be actual buying BP gas, because they obviously don't operate their own oil platforms. To make matters worse, there are usually very few (sometimes one) fuel suppliers in an area. That means you really have no choice in the supplier, you're buying the same gas, just from a different pump.
Boycotts on gas are pretty much useless because of this. You might turn down a BP station that buys their gas from some other company and instead fill up at another station that gets gas from BP. I understand the hate for BP, but boycotts aren't the right way to show your anger in this case.
As a union officer for the United Steel Workers, I have to totally disagree w/ you on this. Boycotts DO make a difference! Unions have proved this time & time again. Unions have numerous "no buy" lists & BP is most def on the list. Although you make think that it doesn't make a difference, IT DOES!!!! There's probably 3,000 Steel Workers in the county I live & when all of us get together for a "show of force", it most definitely makes a difference. If you hit companies in their wallet, it makes an impact! Boycott BP and Wal Mart too if you really want to make a difference.
As a union officer for the United Steel Workers, I have to totally disagree w/ you on this. Boycotts DO make a difference! Unions have proved this time & time again. Unions have numerous "no buy" lists & BP is most def on the list. Although you make think that it doesn't make a difference, IT DOES!!!! There's probably 3,000 Steel Workers in the county I live & when all of us get together for a "show of force", it most definitely makes a difference. If you hit companies in their wallet, it makes an impact! Boycott BP and Wal Mart too if you really want to make a difference.
But you're not hitting their wallet. That's what I'm trying to say. You think you're boycotting them, but you're not. That's why it won't work in this case. If you could find a detailed list of where all of your local gas stations buy their gas, then maybe a boycott would work, but I doubt most gas stations would share that information with you, especially if you plan to use it to possibly boycott them. You have to buy gas somewhere and there's no promise that the place you buy it from didn't get it from BP.
It's like saying you're boycotting nuclear power by not using electricity anymore. You're not really hurting nuclear power plants, because you can't use power only from non-nuclear sources. A boycott would not work in that case, you need to tackle the issue differently. I know people like boycotts, because it doesn't really take much effort on their part, you just drive by the BP station and fill up down the road instead, but you're having little to no effect in this case.
If you really want to make a difference, how about a campaign to get the US off of oil and onto cleaner, renewable sources of energy instead? Or in the more immediate sense, how about the government steps in and fixes the problem that BP has been so completely inept at fixing and sticks BP with the bill once we've taken care of it? Or we slap them with fines so large that every company operating an oil platform around the US gets their safety measures up to a standard that this will never happen again? This isn't the first time something like this has happened, so clearly we didn't do enough in the past to stop this. I hate BP too, I just think people aren't going about this in the right way.
If all these stupid libs would just let oil co. driill in SHALLOW WATER or ON LAND like say in ALASKA this spill would never have been near as big of an issue. If this spill was taking place on land it would been csealed very very quickly and would barely have been know to the world. In shallow water it would be a lil more complicated than land but im confident it would have been put to an end well before 50 days past. The biggest problem here is that the leak is a mile below the surface. People cannot go to these depth w/o the aid or robots and submarines........ DRILL IN ALASKA! END DEEP WATER DRILLING (for now)
If all these stupid libs would just let oil co. driill in SHALLOW WATER or ON LAND like say in ALASKA this spill would never have been near as big of an issue. If this spill was taking place on land it would been csealed very very quickly and would barely have been know to the world. In shallow water it would be a lil more complicated than land but im confident it would have been put to an end well before 50 days past. The biggest problem here is that the leak is a mile below the surface. People cannot go to these depth w/o the aid or robots and submarines........ DRILL IN ALASKA! END DEEP WATER DRILLING (for now)
Ummm...no. The truth is we need to change our habits and find alternate sources of energy like yesterday.
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"Ummm...no. The truth is we need to change our habits and find alternate sources of energy like yesterday. "
oil is not just energy! oil is not just gas. oil is not just motor oil. oil does not just run cars! oil is the backbone of everything you use every day. your keyboard is oil, your monitor, the insulation of the wires in your home are oil. your refrigerator is oil, stove, washer/dryer, all are made with oil. the bottle of water you are going to drink out of at bonnaroo will be made from oil. if you are going to walk to bonnaroo and drink out of a wood cup you will still be wearing oil.
oil is way way bigger than any of you realize you cannot make ANY plastic w/o oil
I believe boycotting can have an effect on a company, if done in large, mass numbers. BP oil is sold and manufactured in many different products, like gas and plastics, so will my boycotting a BP gas station change the mindset of a large company like BP? Probably not. Will my vote change the outcome of a President election, probably not, but I still vote. If I can cast my vote against BP destroying my Gulf of Mexico by driving another block to get gas at another gas station, than I will do that all day, everyday, and not just on my way to Bonnaroo!
If all these stupid libs would just let oil co. driill in SHALLOW WATER or ON LAND like say in ALASKA this spill would never have been near as big of an issue. If this spill was taking place on land it would been csealed very very quickly and would barely have been know to the world. In shallow water it would be a lil more complicated than land but im confident it would have been put to an end well before 50 days past. The biggest problem here is that the leak is a mile below the surface. People cannot go to these depth w/o the aid or robots and submarines........ DRILL IN ALASKA! END DEEP WATER DRILLING (for now)
Really? Because there was a nearly identical accident in 1979 in 50 meters of water and it took 10 months to cap it, resulting in the second largest accidental oil spill in history. The risk would still be present in any depth of water. And we can't say they didn't have our technology in 1979, because they're using the same things that didn't work back then.
If all these stupid libs would just let oil co. driill in SHALLOW WATER or ON LAND like say in ALASKA this spill would never have been near as big of an issue. If this spill was taking place on land it would been csealed very very quickly and would barely have been know to the world. In shallow water it would be a lil more complicated than land but im confident it would have been put to an end well before 50 days past. The biggest problem here is that the leak is a mile below the surface. People cannot go to these depth w/o the aid or robots and submarines........ DRILL IN ALASKA! END DEEP WATER DRILLING (for now)
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Boycotting BP stations is asinine. You're only hurting those who own those stations.....NOT BP. Boycotting will do nothing. Make it a political issue if you want....your vote would carry more weight.
Don't have a knee jerk reaction. This situation sucks; but it's not like BP wanted this to happen. They are aggressively attempting to stop the leak under unprecedented conditions.
I believe those boycotting are the same who hate oil companies in general. In which case...boycott all oil companies.
Indeed. It's not like BP wants oil to be constantly spilling into an ocean where it probably can't ever be used again... If it was an easy thing to fix they would have done it already.
Everyone can make mistakes unless they're a multinational corporation, right? Maybe we should boycott products that were shipped by trucking companies that ever used BP fuels, too. We should actually just boycott everything because that's what this would boil down to.
^This I don't really know what difference it makes. BP is no different from any of the others. They were just unlucky enough to have a rig explode (for some reason) while the others kept on operating in the same fashion on April 21 that they did on April 19. There is no reason to think this sort of thing couldn't, or even won't, happen to another company next week or next year. All those companies run the same rigs, train the employees in the same way, and have the same technology for stopping the leaks, you know, nothing. They are all heads to the same hydra. If you want to hurt BP, ride to Roo with 5 in a car rather than 2 in one and 3 in the other, and use the best mileage vehicle possible. That's all we can do.
Actually BP is quite different in that they have an atrocious safety record. The rig exploded because the operation was behind schedule and over budget, and they were trying to rush things and cut corners wherever possible. I work in the industry, on the safety and environmental side, trying to keep refineries and chemical production sites from having accidents and releasing tons of harmful chemicals into the environment. Most of the big boys take safety very seriously, and thats why they went on operating the same the next day. BP has a history of negligence and disregard for workplace and environmental safety...i learned that working with them in the past and i vow to never do it again.
That being said, I agree with the statements of patronize the c-stores but dont by gas at a BP branded station if you feel that will get a message across. It most likely will have very little impact on BP's bottom line though. The only way to effectively hurt a company of that size would be through the government, or through the stock market. Selling all of your BP stock will probably have more impact than not buying gas at a branded station.
"Ummm...no. The truth is we need to change our habits and find alternate sources of energy like yesterday. "
oil is not just energy! oil is not just gas. oil is not just motor oil. oil does not just run cars! oil is the backbone of everything you use every day. your keyboard is oil, your monitor, the insulation of the wires in your home are oil. your refrigerator is oil, stove, washer/dryer, all are made with oil. the bottle of water you are going to drink out of at bonnaroo will be made from oil. if you are going to walk to bonnaroo and drink out of a wood cup you will still be wearing oil.
oil is way way bigger than any of you realize you cannot make ANY plastic w/o oil
We probably shouldn't be using as much plastic either. It's all ruining our planet. There's a lot of really smart people on this forum and I think they all realize what is made with different forms of oil.
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"Ummm...no. The truth is we need to change our habits and find alternate sources of energy like yesterday. "
oil is not just energy! oil is not just gas. oil is not just motor oil. oil does not just run cars! oil is the backbone of everything you use every day. your keyboard is oil, your monitor, the insulation of the wires in your home are oil. your refrigerator is oil, stove, washer/dryer, all are made with oil. the bottle of water you are going to drink out of at bonnaroo will be made from oil. if you are going to walk to bonnaroo and drink out of a wood cup you will still be wearing oil.
oil is way way bigger than any of you realize you cannot make ANY plastic w/o oil
Great civilizations of humans thrived for thousands of years without plastic.
Post by hibouxdufromage on Jun 7, 2010 15:37:23 GMT -5
^this. We don't have a prayer of lasting as long as the Romans did. We're on a collision course with a massive technological implosion, or near exctinction. Clinging to outdated sources of power and manufacturing can only end badly.
