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Post by ☮ superbek ☮ on Jun 22, 2010 21:39:24 GMT -5
Ohhhh, I get ya! Yeah, I would have had the probation either way but it's just funny to me that it would have been a helluva lot cheaper if I would have made them spend someone else's fines on keeping me up instead of using my fines to keep up some sex offender or something. lol
Not doing things Illegal would make for a lot less complaining.. ya know.
Will, I thank you for being a taper but you are dead wrong.
I do nothing at Bonnaroo but drink and it happened to me too. Harassment for no other reason than being there. Those motherfvckin pigs were just trying to sniff out anything they could. I wonder what Coffee County gave/allowed Bonnaroo to where Bonnaroo would allow such a police presence. Are they splitting the tickets/court fees or is Coffee county not making them pay taxes....what I don't get it. Because from '03-'09 you did not see the level of HEAT there was this year. The only way Bonnaroo would change their tune would be for economic purposes.
I agree with you OP and autumnsredtears and anyone else who wasn't blinded by having the OMG AMAZINGEST WEEKEND EVAR feeling.
Not doing things Illegal would make for a lot less complaining.. ya know.
Will, I thank you for being a taper but you are dead wrong.
I do nothing at Bonnaroo but drink and it happened to me too. Harassment for no other reason than being there. Those motherfvckin pigs were just trying to sniff out anything they could. I wonder what Coffee County gave/allowed Bonnaroo to where Bonnaroo would allow such a police presence. Are they splitting the tickets/court fees or is Coffee county not making them pay taxes....what I don't get it. Because from '03-'09 you did not see the level of HEAT there was this year. The only way Bonnaroo would change their tune would be for economic purposes.
I agree with you OP and autumnsredtears and anyone else who wasn't blinded by having the OMG AMAZINGEST WEEKEND EVAR feeling.
I'm never going back.
^Not hassled all weekend at all, what are you guys doing that I am not to warrant this kind of attention?
^ I will never forget the look on Boz's face at the wheel as y'all drove past! I thought it best not to wave
LRH - that was prob a good call - I don't think the officers would have appreciated it and neither would we - but we all scrambled for phones for the rest of the convoy to let them know what was happening. I almost forgot that had happened.
Post by msbrandymichelle on Jun 23, 2010 11:09:03 GMT -5
Enlighten me - how do they get away w/ searching cars that they stop on the road? I understand they can have suspicion, but they can't search you w/o cause. So what's going on w/ all this?
(Hopefully thru this post will be the only way I find an answer to this question *knock on wood*)
superbek- I understand the whole principle -vs- rule of law. I respect and even admire it at times. My point is until something is done or changed, the REALITY is if you get caught with something currently illegal, you will have to pay the price. No matter how strong your principle is. It just should not be a suprise......at all.
It's true that they technically need cause for a search but unles you have a lawyer on call and are ready to put your whole weekend at risk, it's pretty much the cops word over yours. Meaning, if they go to court saying the driver of the vehicle was red-eyed or even engaging in "suspicious activity" (which could be anything) they will have an easy time justifying the search. I've never been hassled in my three years (and i look only slightly less troublesome than wolfman) and I guess what works for me is to drive sober, be courteous, and know your rights.
I know a lawyer in town that for a small fee will give you a piece of paper that says as _________'s attorney I have advised him never to consent to a search of his car or person without a warrant.
I know a lawyer in town that for a small fee will give you a piece of paper that says as _________'s attorney I have advised him never to consent to a search of his car or person without a warrant.
A person does not have to consent to a search if the officer has probable cause to search. Probable cause is extremely easy for the officer to justify, and typically results in the officer's word versus the alleged criminal's word. It's bologna. The Supreme Court also recently expanded vehicle searches to any container in the area of the vehicle where the officer has probable cause to search.
By the way, that lawyer is foolish for putting himself out there like that. By stating that he is ______'s attorney, the lawyer is potentially putting himself/herself on the hook to represent that person in a further proceeding (possibly for no more money than what he charged to write that piece of paper). According to the Rules of Ethics and the caselaw interpreting it, the courts make a huge deal out of the appearance of an attorney-client relationship.
Enlighten me - how do they get away w/ searching cars that they stop on the road? I understand they can have suspicion, but they can't search you w/o cause. So what's going on w/ all this?
(Hopefully thru this post will be the only way I find an answer to this question *knock on wood*)
They pulled us over, walked up to the driver's side and said (to my cousin): "excuse me sir, can you step out of the car?" Where they searched him and found paraphernalia on him. So then they wanted to search our car. No hi, how you doing, know why I pulled you over or anything.
superbek- I understand the whole principle -vs- rule of law. I respect and even admire it at times. My point is until something is done or changed, the REALITY is if you get caught with something currently illegal, you will have to pay the price. No matter how strong your principle is. It just should not be a suprise......at all.
you're absolutely right, knox. That was the reality of it all. I mean in the end, I came out alright but I like to use my experience as a learning tool for others as well as myself. Shit happens and life sucks but then it's good again. All trials and tribulations for humans that shape who we are and what we believe.
I know a lawyer in town that for a small fee will give you a piece of paper that says as _________'s attorney I have advised him never to consent to a search of his car or person without a warrant.
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A person does not have to consent to a search if the officer has probable cause to search. Probable cause is extremely easy for the officer to justify, and typically results in the officer's word versus the alleged criminal's word. It's bologna. The Supreme Court also recently expanded vehicle searches to any container in the area of the vehicle where the officer has probable cause to search.
By the way, that lawyer is foolish for putting himself out there like that. By stating that he is ______'s attorney, the lawyer is potentially putting himself/herself on the hook to represent that person in a further proceeding (possibly for no more money than what he charged to write that piece of paper). According to the Rules of Ethics and the caselaw interpreting it, the courts make a huge deal out of the appearance of an attorney-client relationship.
You pay a small fee upfront, just having a attorney does not obligate him to help you for free. (Though it would be nice) Where it comes in handy is the answer to
"Why can't I search your car if you have nothing illegal in it?"
Probable cause will let them search BUT they most likely have you on a camera. If you get out and lock your doors, and speak politely they will have a much harder time proving it.
I know a lawyer in town that for a small fee will give you a piece of paper that says as _________'s attorney I have advised him never to consent to a search of his car or person without a warrant.
I've heard of this guy. He weighs approximately 300 pounds and is Samoan, right?
I know a lawyer in town that for a small fee will give you a piece of paper that says as _________'s attorney I have advised him never to consent to a search of his car or person without a warrant.
I've heard of this guy. He weighs approximately 300 pounds and is Samoan, right?
What you have met him? Actually he is a good attorney, and keeps me out of all kinds of trouble. I wish he was a crazy Samoan guy though.
You pay a small fee upfront, just having a attorney does not obligate him to help you for free. (Though it would be nice)
Not necessarily, but it could depend on the judge. The judge could possibly determine that a statement like that written by an attorney constitutes an appearance by the attorney on that client's behalf (which does not have to mean appearing in court). If you have made an appearance on that client's behalf, then , in many situations, one would need the judge's permission to withdraw from the representation. Most judges would allow the attorney to withdraw without issue, but there are numerous hardass judges that might make it difficult on the attorney.
Plus, as I was saying with the Rules of Ethics, the establishment of an attorney-client relationship in Tennessee is essentially based on a reasonable belief by the client that the attorney represents them. If an attorney writes out a statement like "I am _____'s attorney," then I could see a judge interpreting that against the attorney in a further proceeding. He could face some ethical violations for not representing the client further.
Post by ChrisIronsArt on Jun 23, 2010 12:50:32 GMT -5
The one thing that really got to me this year was when going into centeroo my bag was SMELT! It was a simple drawstring bag with only a phone, guide and waterbottle in it. You could easily tell there was no place for bud in it. Next year we all need to put Chloroform in our bags so when the dbags sniff our bags they pass out cold.
You pay a small fee upfront, just having a attorney does not obligate him to help you for free. (Though it would be nice)
Not necessarily, but it could depend on the judge. The judge could possibly determine that a statement like that written by an attorney constitutes an appearance by the attorney on that client's behalf (which does not have to mean appearing in court). If you have made an appearance on that client's behalf, then , in many situations, one would need the judge's permission to withdraw from the representation. Most judges would allow the attorney to withdraw without issue, but there are numerous hardass judges that might make it difficult on the attorney.
Plus, as I was saying with the Rules of Ethics, the establishment of an attorney-client relationship in Tennessee is essentially based on a reasonable belief by the client that the attorney represents them. If an attorney writes out a statement like "I am _____'s attorney," then I could see a judge interpreting that against the attorney in a further proceeding. He could face some ethical violations for not representing the client further.
Like I said...not worth it.
He is a criminal attorney I am sure he would show up if warranted it is what he does. It is a nice thing to have I have used mine twice. Not ever from my car though just while out at shows or downtown.
Not necessarily, but it could depend on the judge. The judge could possibly determine that a statement like that written by an attorney constitutes an appearance by the attorney on that client's behalf (which does not have to mean appearing in court). If you have made an appearance on that client's behalf, then , in many situations, one would need the judge's permission to withdraw from the representation. Most judges would allow the attorney to withdraw without issue, but there are numerous hardass judges that might make it difficult on the attorney.
Plus, as I was saying with the Rules of Ethics, the establishment of an attorney-client relationship in Tennessee is essentially based on a reasonable belief by the client that the attorney represents them. If an attorney writes out a statement like "I am _____'s attorney," then I could see a judge interpreting that against the attorney in a further proceeding. He could face some ethical violations for not representing the client further.
Like I said...not worth it.
He is a criminal attorney I am sure he would show up if warranted it is what he does. It is a nice thing to have I have used mine twice. Not ever from my car though just while out at shows or downtown.
I am a criminal attorney, too, and that's why I would never do that. It could potentially lead to a violation of Rule # 1. What is Rule # 1? Get that money, kid.
He is a criminal attorney I am sure he would show up if warranted it is what he does. It is a nice thing to have I have used mine twice. Not ever from my car though just while out at shows or downtown.
I am a criminal attorney, too, and that's why I would never do that. It could potentially lead to a violation of Rule # 1. What is Rule # 1? Get that money, kid.
You are in Rutherford cty right? I bet you know my guy, I fix his computers though so he has a vested interest in keeping me out of trouble.
Somewhere in the vast, deep reaches of the internet, there's a message board where two idiots are arguing over who's got a bigger d*ck, Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, and those two idiots have a better grasp on reality than most of the people posting in this thread.
ROLF right on FRANK Stallone. Haha your screen name cracks me up....You guessed it! You and the Lars-Robot Spider bring it
Post by nitetimeritetime on Jun 23, 2010 17:08:00 GMT -5
Santa is a fat old impotent diabetic continually shoving cookies down his gullet. Have you seen how many kids the Easter Bunny has? Like a rabbit, that guy goes at it. I don't know whose is bigger, but I can tell you which one sees more action.
Post by questionablesanity on Jun 23, 2010 17:16:06 GMT -5
1. I can't believe Jess posted a pic of himself. 2. My roo mate, Cole, told me a story of how they got pulled over one year on the way to Roo. They were holding. I can't remember what they got pulled over for. They asked to search the car, the said no. The cop said he was bringing a k9 in and asked them all to step out of the car. They did and the car's owner locked the doors. The k9 sniffed around, didn't hit on it and the cops never once asked them to unlock the doors.
I know there are a couple of attorneys on this board. Would you have to unlock your doors?
I was lucky on the way home from Roo. I got pulled over for speeding in Louisville. I've had enough close calls to know how to act. He simply wrote me a ticket and told me to have a good day.
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i did not see one cop the whole time i was inside unless you count the horseback guys. i do not even know if they were cops. when we arrived the guy who searched my car said i am looking for glass, weapons and very large quantities of the thing we dare not mention. camp chewbacca was like a cheech and chong movie all weekend with roaming vendors of all sorts we even had a mobile bartender towing a cooler behind him. we brought almost anything we wanted in centeroo and was never harassed. was i at the same festival?
2. My roo mate, Cole, told me a story of how they got pulled over one year on the way to Roo. They were holding. I can't remember what they got pulled over for. They asked to search the car, the said no. The cop said he was bringing a k9 in and asked them all to step out of the car. They did and the car's owner locked the doors. The k9 sniffed around, didn't hit on it and the cops never once asked them to unlock the doors.
I know there are a couple of attorneys on this board. Would you have to unlock your doors?
It sounds like Cole did everything right. The officer may have decided that he did not have probable cause to search the vehicle at that time, but the courts still allow them to bring a K9 as long as they don't end up holding up the person for an unreasonable amount of time.
However, if the K9 had hit on something, that would give the officer probable cause to search the car. At that point, they would have to unlock it...or possibly be arrested for obstruction of justice...and the cop would still get in the car eventually. It's crappy, but that's how it works...blame Scalia and Thomas.
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Santa is a fat old impotent diabetic continually shoving cookies down his gullet. Have you seen how many kids the Easter Bunny has? Like a rabbit, that guy goes at it. I don't know whose is bigger, but I can tell you which one sees more action.
Post by bamadancer on Jun 24, 2010 13:07:55 GMT -5
This is a bit of an aside, but I would like to point out that YES, while the security at Waka was nowhere near as tight as Roo (you could get in beer, liquor, water bottles, full camelbaks, food, even coolers at one point....they didn't even check wristbands sometimes, just let people walk straight through with no check at all) there were points where I was WISHING that the security was tighter. Point being - as someone mentioned upthread - the TANKS at the FUCKING STAGES. It really sketched me out and there was a point when the environment at the stage got so bad that people left because they were uncomfortable.
A few quick checks (particularly car checks on the way in), no bullshit "shake your bra" or "let me smell your bag" or something like that would suffice. There were points where I wish that had happened.
Also - the people who got popped going to and from the waterfall - there was a GIANT SIGN at the top of the trail that said "Undercovers on trail. Use your discretion"....you're an idiot if you got arrested after that. Sorry.
Bonnaroo had 100 arrests, I have been to zoe 12 times, and while there is no on site trouble roughly 70-80 tickets are written for possession on the highway every time. Waka went well this year, but that was after last year and the organizers saying they would move it if there were cop searches in line this year. You know a lot less about the scene than you think kid. Statistically Bonnaroo has the least number of arrests per capita of any festival I have ever heard of.
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Also they are not releasing the Waka numbers but it was "Dozens" and a record number. Last year was 70 if I remember so probably more than that. With 18000 attendees your odds were a lot worse there than at Bonnaroo.
"Police patrolled the roads leading to the festival, but did not make any arrests inside the campgrounds, officials said." So as i said before when i replied to this, most of the arrests were made on the trail and on the highway that were simply wakarusa attendees.
Keep in mind i was at all of these festivals and i don't think you were (correct me if i'm wrong on that one) So, i'll take my word over yours, considering i saw what i'm talking about first hand and you, however, did not. ;D Also; Statistically it's quite safe to say at Bonnaroo, compared to those other fests that were just mentioned, you have much more of a chance to get arrested AT the festival on the fests grounds. Which is what matters. The festival is what we're talking here, not right outside the festival.
I am astonished to see how hard you try to defend Bonnaroo, it makes you look like a tool.