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Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 6, 2010 14:29:47 GMT -5
at this point i think i'm just going to stop posting until the other 4 or so players feel like joining the game again. we're going to dig ourselves into a hole if we're constantly throwing our own theories at each other. we need to perspective, and i'm tired of the lack of participation quite honestly.
bottom line here is, we've reached an impasse. this is a major point to disagree with, and it's not looking like we can get much further without coming to some sort of compromise. however, i'm not sure compromise is possible when we're so divided. so now what?? ??? ???
i feel like our only hope at this point is to have the inspector out themselves. i think if we knew at least one name for sure, and the definite status of another, that we would be a lot more equipped to make the right decision.
I actually think we probably can come to a compromise because I know I am a hard-headed, oblivious towny and I've got a feeling you probably are too. If you weren't going to vote for me who would you vote for?
Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 6, 2010 14:32:32 GMT -5
*sigh* i really wish i knew
this is the problem when only a few people participate. you have nothing to go on for those not posting, and therefore can't really make an educated guess.
right now i'd probably lean towards indi or mike d
at this point i think i'm just going to stop posting until the other 4 or so players feel like joining the game again. we're going to dig ourselves into a hole if we're constantly throwing our own theories at each other. we need to perspective, and i'm tired of the lack of participation quite honestly.
I think that is a very good idea. I want to hear from the rest of the players.
We do still have an Inspector lurking out there, too. I hope we do anyways. I hope you've asked about KDogg - I think the truth behind his guilt or innocence is imperative at this point.
There is also a small possibility Kdogg was inspector but I think that's unlikely. Hopefully the inspector is still out there. If they have the answer on Kdogg right-now would be a pretty damn good time to come out.
The fact that Nite and Mike D are logged on but not posting anything to this game when they can clearly see we are discussing it doesn't help their case any.
The fact that Nite and Mike D are logged on but not posting anything to this game when they can clearly see we are discussing it doesn't help their case any.
Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 6, 2010 14:55:01 GMT -5
ok guys, let's not get back into the business of fighting amongst ourselves. WOOSAH...WOOSAH...
now, ntrt...i think kel just means that knowing you're reading all of this and not contributing is a little weird, and being that we're obviously stuck as a group, it would be nice is those of you who have barely posted would contribute a little more. i'm not pointing fingers or saying you're guilty, i'm just saying that this game would move faster if more people were active participants.
Nite- you're right I haven't posted a theory or anything to the game much this round. I would love to hear from Bek as I stated before I point fingers or have a theory.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Aug 6, 2010 15:00:45 GMT -5
I get what she's saying, hippie. I've put my theory out there. You said it fit with yours, too. I really don't have anything else to add at this point that would be constructive. Sorry.
I get what she's saying, hippie. I've put my theory out there. You said it fit with yours, too. I really don't have anything else to add at this point that would be constructive. Sorry.
Do you have an opinion on the Kdogg thing? Its more than possible you have already said it but if you did I forgot and don't feel like going back and finding it.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Aug 6, 2010 15:07:31 GMT -5
OK, how about this?
Bacon's right about our assumptions. We've been working with the assumptions that either wolf or kdogg were guilty -- mostly kdogg. What if we don't start with those assumptions? What if they were both innocent?
I've been looking back through the thead and my notes with the assumption of their innocence as my starting point. So far I haven't found anything, but this might not be a bad place for others to start looking too.
I get what she's saying, hippie. I've put my theory out there. You said it fit with yours, too. I really don't have anything else to add at this point that would be constructive. Sorry.
Do you have an opinion on the Kdogg thing? Its more than possible you have already said it but if you did I forgot and don't feel like going back and finding it.
Well, I didn't change my vote last round because I wasn't ready to start with the assumption that kdogg was guilty (see my theory linking indi and kdogg). I'm still not sure it's a safe assumption, but hippie does make a good point. We talked about that yesterday -- it's a page or two ago, before the big fight, I think.
Do you have an opinion on the Kdogg thing? Its more than possible you have already said it but if you did I forgot and don't feel like going back and finding it.
Well, I didn't change my vote last round because I wasn't ready to start with the assumption that kdogg was guilty (see my theory linking indi and kdogg). I'm still not sure it's a safe assumption, but hippie does make a good point. We talked about that yesterday -- it's a page or two ago, before the big fight, I think.
I could see Indi and Kdogg being connected. Because I do still believe Kdogg was Mafia.
i've been on a day adventure off of the internet, i didn't think all this would be here. o.O
there's been a whole lot of people backing other people and i am so thoroughly confused by it all that i dont even know where to begin. last game i got lucky in eventually changing to being right about eap (might have even been for different reasons than i said) and then ntrt came in and sealed the deal for me so i knew what to try to pick apart.
now there's so much paranoia running through my mind that i can see too many possible combinations of mafia.
maybe kdogg was inspector trying to look like he wasnt but didnt think he'd get voted off. (or killed to make an innocent appear guilty)
i have no idea. right now i'm still going with bacon. i havent seen enough to go changing my line of thinking now, i really am very lost right now, though. its like information overload.
if anyone who thinks kdogg was innocent could then help piece together what kdogg was getting at since he isn't alive anymore, maybe we'll have more info.
if anyone who thinks kdogg was guilty could then help look at said information, then we will also have more info.
if anyone thinks i am guilty, please help the rest of us townies figure out who appears most guilty by also addressing the above since it is all so crazily tied in together.
right now we all each left look guilty to at least one someone that isn't mafia (apiece), i'd bet, even if it weren't posted.
as far as changing my vote, i felt kdogg was guilty (and still do based on my past posts) and was giving up law of averages in exchange for wolf's bad luck*. bad luck>math, i felt kdogg was guilty but didnt know about wolf, so change to kdogg. simple as that.
indi>>>null
EDIT: meant to say indi>>>bacon, not indi>>>null.
indi>>>bacon
EDIT: *:what i mean by this is wolf got ousted first off as an innocent last game first round, and this game he was voted getting voted off. kdogg appeared more guilty, so those bits of info combined (but granted, much much more due to the latter) = me wanting to change even moreso to kdogg. no one wants to look like inspector (Except mafia), so i didnt want to just call out kdogg because i thought that would either get me voted off or killed off. i wanted the vote to change to kdogg, hopefully by someone "swaying" my vote. what i mean by that is someone piecing together the data better than i could and confirming my suspicion. i was going to switch to kdogg unless real evidence popped up, anyway, which is what i did. there was much ado about nothing for several pages and i blatantly went and changed the vote. not certain about wolf, more certain about kdogg, cant let wolf die = townie responsibility (in my eyes at the time)
i cant even type. this would have been longer. maybe this is more understandable than it would have been in novel form.
None of this makes sense to me, I have read it like 20 times.
BEST case scenario: a. There is only 1 mafia alive. b. We still have our inspector. c. We are heading down the right path with the suspects at hand.
Medium-case scenario: a. We have 2 mafia alive. b. We have our inspector. c. We have several suspects 1 or 2 of which are actually mafia.
Worst Case scenario: a. There are still 3 mafia alive. -but- b. We still have our inspector. c. We're barking COMPLETELY up the wrong tree and the Mafia are sitting back smoking cigars and drinking cognac. d. We're fucked.
I am on page four and am willing to change my INDI vote to get a Kdogg Wolf run-off.....not sure if voting is closed yet but about to finish reading.
And then 30 minutes later, she writes another post completely reversing herself using these two reasons:
This first reason seems based on a hunch, which a lot of this game is about. I have no problem with this, because you have to go on something in the first round.
I am leaning toward this even though I am not big on trusting Higgi…..but it makes a lot of sense to right now….more so than anything else that is being presented. But now that I read NTRT’s post that Wolf was not quite a goner I am a bit skeptical. Still Higgi’s justification is spot on!
But this second reason is odd for a couple of reasons: 1. she admits that higgi's justification is based on a faulty premise (that kdogg was not leading the vote count at that point), and then she doesn't seem to care. 2. more importantly, for wolf to be guilty in this scenario, kdogg has to be considered guilty first. So she obviously thinks they're both guilty, and instead of voting for them into a runoff with each other, as she had already said she was going to do, she says this:
You are right. I don't know MikeD's role but I DO know mine and know that I am not Mafia. I'm fine with keeping my vote with Indi and letting Wolf die. On second though....I'll just go balls out and vote Wolf. A vote for Indi would kill Wolf anyway.
So she reverses her first statement based mostly on the theory that kdogg and wolf were working together. They're both dead, so I think we know now that they couldn't both have been guilty -- mafia's not killing one of their own in the first round if another one was just voted off.
But based on the theory she was using, wolf could only be guilty if kdogg was guilty. If kdogg was innocent then the theory would fall apart, and there would be no reason to suspect wolf, so the obvious person to go after is kdogg, right? But instead of voting for kdogg to put them into a tie, she gives wolf the vote lead?
Since I can't vote for kdogg
ntrt >>> Jen[/quote]
Edit: The top part is supposed to be quoted and the below part is mine.
I see your side on this, but I also know Jen is always changing her mind.
I agree with Kel that is a very odd post. Basically Indi says the same things over and over again with lots of spaces between them. That post sounds very forced and like my freashman comp prof and Bilbo Baggins would say "like too little butter on to big a piece of beard".
That post certainly makes me more suspicious of Indi. I think there is a very good chance he made that post just to settle the various suspicions about his relative silence before that point.
I could see Indi using the word Kdogg and Inspector just to get it into a thought. Since more than likely they'd be working together. I am not gonna entertain the idea that Kdogg was inspector.
I see your side on this, but I also know Jen is always changing her mind.
Yeah, Jen and hippie both pointed that out too. I've been considering changing my vote, because I don't want to fall in love with my own theory and end up screwing us all like I have before. But I don't know who I'd change it to right now.
Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 6, 2010 15:28:46 GMT -5
do we even have a ref anymore? i know eap was trying to get NBF to do it, but i'm not sure what came of that.
i'm mostly wondering because i figure if we can all compromise on a vote, then the 36hr rule would go into effect and the lack of participation won't matter because their vote won't count anyway.
