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Shall we consider INDI - who has made a complete 180 from last game's Kdogg-esque posts to merely nothing this game?
I have never played with Indi, but I do see he is quiet. I want to see what Bek has to say before I point any fingers.
GAHHH i keep forgetting about BEK.. I wish she could chime in with her thoughts, especially on Kdogg's death.
-> I am going to say this once more. LETS MOVE ON, PLEASE. Bacon- if you want to model Kdogg's play I see nothing wrong with it, just realize he is dead right now ;D
We have a good game going, can we please act like adults and fucking get this thing back on track?!
I also agree with the suspicion of Indi. Not only has his style varied greatly from the last game but also he last second vote change to put Kdogg in the run-off and give Mike D the deciding vote (until Bek changed) was an odd decision.
i don't think anyone putting themselves in a position to NOT be a deciding vote proves anything. no one wants to be the vote that kills anyone because all that does is cast suspicion on that person.
OK i get it. I admit it I think kdogg is one of best player in the game. I follow his moves closely because when he is innocent he is often good and figuring out who is guilty. When he is guilty he is often good and confusing people (actually he is always good at confusing people.
I am in no way saying that this changes the way I look at any game or any players in any game. I am saying I try to commit more memory to his techniques from game to game.
Bacon- I find it odd that you're taking more time defending a dead player rather than defending your innocence.
The reason I am doing this is because I very strongly believe that the first mafia kill of any game is often the key to the townspeople winning or losing. That is if the can successfully interpret why the kill was made.
Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 5, 2010 18:47:44 GMT -5
bacon, the last part of your post makes sense, but the problem we're coming to is the interpretation. that fact that you don't even seem willing to consider my theory makes me suspicious. is it a bold, and unorthodox move? YES. which is exactly why i think kdogg would do it. if anything it's a compliment because i think it's pretty sneaky.
Bacon- I understand why you think Kdogg would be the best player and respect him as your mafia role-model. I just wanted to point out that there is a lot of other players who have valuable post to the game!
OK I am about to lose my mind, every time I write and post something new there is about three new things I want to respond to. I am going to take a few hour break, eat some of my left over birthday cake, and watch TV.
I think the one thing we can all agree on is is a good description of what we are all feeling right now.
I LOVE YOU ALL.....except Hippie, because she lives in Austin and I am jealous of her.
I can't believe no one has attempted to rip apart my post. Was it unworthy of comment?
Happy Birthday to The Baconator! I hope your cake was like eating a slice of heaven and your after-cake activites bring you bliss. I'm gonna take some pain medication for my ankle & watch Shutter Island now. I will check back later unless I fall asleep.
Post by indigrainbow on Aug 6, 2010 5:00:24 GMT -5
oh my religion, wat, i dont even
i've been on a day adventure off of the internet, i didn't think all this would be here. o.O
there's been a whole lot of people backing other people and i am so thoroughly confused by it all that i dont even know where to begin. last game i got lucky in eventually changing to being right about eap (might have even been for different reasons than i said) and then ntrt came in and sealed the deal for me so i knew what to try to pick apart.
now there's so much paranoia running through my mind that i can see too many possible combinations of mafia.
maybe kdogg was inspector trying to look like he wasnt but didnt think he'd get voted off. (or killed to make an innocent appear guilty)
i have no idea. right now i'm still going with bacon. i havent seen enough to go changing my line of thinking now, i really am very lost right now, though. its like information overload.
if anyone who thinks kdogg was innocent could then help piece together what kdogg was getting at since he isn't alive anymore, maybe we'll have more info.
if anyone who thinks kdogg was guilty could then help look at said information, then we will also have more info.
if anyone thinks i am guilty, please help the rest of us townies figure out who appears most guilty by also addressing the above since it is all so crazily tied in together.
right now we all each left look guilty to at least one someone that isn't mafia (apiece), i'd bet, even if it weren't posted.
as far as changing my vote, i felt kdogg was guilty (and still do based on my past posts) and was giving up law of averages in exchange for wolf's bad luck*. bad luck>math, i felt kdogg was guilty but didnt know about wolf, so change to kdogg. simple as that.
indi>>>null
EDIT: meant to say indi>>>bacon, not indi>>>null.
indi>>>bacon
EDIT: *:what i mean by this is wolf got ousted first off as an innocent last game first round, and this game he was voted getting voted off. kdogg appeared more guilty, so those bits of info combined (but granted, much much more due to the latter) = me wanting to change even moreso to kdogg. no one wants to look like inspector (Except mafia), so i didnt want to just call out kdogg because i thought that would either get me voted off or killed off. i wanted the vote to change to kdogg, hopefully by someone "swaying" my vote. what i mean by that is someone piecing together the data better than i could and confirming my suspicion. i was going to switch to kdogg unless real evidence popped up, anyway, which is what i did. there was much ado about nothing for several pages and i blatantly went and changed the vote. not certain about wolf, more certain about kdogg, cant let wolf die = townie responsibility (in my eyes at the time)
i cant even type. this would have been longer. maybe this is more understandable than it would have been in novel form.
Last Edit: Aug 6, 2010 5:20:16 GMT -5 by indigrainbow - Back to Top
I can't believe no one has attempted to rip apart my post. Was it unworthy of comment?
I've been waiting for responses to your post, too, Jen. After reading your response to me, I'm getting less confident in my theory about you -- it wouldn't be the first time I've convinced myself that a townie was guilty.
Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 6, 2010 9:57:47 GMT -5
i responded to parts of your posts, jen. but most of your posts were somewhat echoing what i'd already said, so i didn't feel the need to necessarily address all of it.
however, i will say that while ntrt's initial breakdown of your guilt seemed plausible, i do know from past games that you're back and forth a lot regardless. so i don't see your vote-changing, or your changing of opinion as shady really. not to mention we ARE only in the start of the second round.
I still don't understand why there is nearly unanimous (other than by me) agreement that Kdogg was mafia. The real mafia must be falling off their chair laughing right now.
I still don't understand why there is nearly unanimous (other than by me) agreement that Kdogg was mafia. The real mafia must be falling off their chair laughing right now.
or they're hoping that we follow your lead down the opposite path. i think my theory makes PLENTY of sense. you may not agree, but it doesn't make "zero" sense.
at this point you seem really adamant that kdogg is innocent, which isn't anymore likely than him being guilty. if you know something we don't, now might be a good time to fill us in.
I still don't understand why there is nearly unanimous (other than by me) agreement that Kdogg was mafia. The real mafia must be falling off their chair laughing right now.
I agree with everything Hippie said regarding this.
If you would like to follow your Mafia role-model to death. Let us know.
Bacon, I'm curious why everyone else believes Kdogg is guilty and you haven't even given it a CHANCE... (following his death, of course).
You shot it down immediately, you honestly think Kdogg wouldn't pull a stunt like that, out of desperation?
I do think it is something he would do out of desperation but as we saw in the the First Round and ensuing run-offs there is absolutely no consensus on who is guilty. There is no reason why the mafia should be desperate and therefore no reason why they would kill one of their own.
I know I am just drawing more and more attention to myself by so adamantly arguing this point, but as a towny I have a lot less to lose than if I were Mafia or Inspector. I believe it is worth the risk of being killed to get my point across.
Also don't get me wrong, I did give the idea that Kdogg killed himself serious thought when it happened. After this serious though I decided it is highly unlikely. I will concede my "zero chance" from earlier though. I give it a 1.036% chance instead.
Bacon, I'm curious why everyone else believes Kdogg is guilty and you haven't even given it a CHANCE... (following his death, of course).
You shot it down immediately, you honestly think Kdogg wouldn't pull a stunt like that, out of desperation?
I do think it is something he would do out of desperation but as we saw in the the First Round and ensuing run-offs there is absolutely no consensus on who is guilty. There is no reason why the mafia should be desperate and therefore no reason why they would kill one of their own.
I know I am just drawing more and more attention to myself by so adamantly arguing this point, but as a towny I have a lot less to lose than if I were Mafia or Inspector. I believe it is worth the risk of being killed to get my point across.
Also don't get me wrong, I did give the idea that Kdogg killed himself serious thought when it happened. After this serious though I decided it is highly unlikely. I will concede my "zero chance" from earlier though. I give it a 1.036% chance instead.
no reason why they would be desperate??? if we were already about to kill one of them in the first round of voting (especially such a prominent and active player like kdogg), why wouldn't they go the desperation route?? WHY IS IT SO UNLIKELY?! i guess i just can't fathom why you're so adamant about YOUR stance. but, i guess i can since i'm so adamant about mine lol
bottom line here is, we've reached an impasse. this is a major point to disagree with, and it's not looking like we can get much further without coming to some sort of compromise. however, i'm not sure compromise is possible when we're so divided. so now what?? ??? ???
i feel like our only hope at this point is to have the inspector out themselves. i think if we knew at least one name for sure, and the definite status of another, that we would be a lot more equipped to make the right decision.
now, don't misconstrue that to mean i want the inspector to out themselves because i'm mafia and want to kill them. that is obviously the LAST thing i want. and if someone has a better idea, i'd love to hear it.
Right now I don't really know. I honestly don't think Hippie is mafia because in my mind what she is suggesting would make her suspect #1 in 95% of games. My suspicion for Indi still lingers after that last second vote change and the fact he had been fairly mute until we mentioned that it was suspicious.
I really want to hear some more theories though because I'm pretty open to suggestions. I asked for other ideas earlier and basically all I got was NTRT voting for Jen and everybody saying I look suspicious.
;D
