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Didn't someone say that in a previous game? I could have sworn I read that Hippi saying *sigh* made her guilty in another game. Maybe it was kdogg? I am about 80% sure this happened.
If so, then it would make perfect sense for them To be tied together!
Post by nitetimeritetime on Aug 8, 2010 16:49:55 GMT -5
So the two options we have are to 1. vote him off, or 2. follow the 36-hour rule, not counting his vote this round, and then he dies after he misses his second vote.
Ya that's the two options I see. I say we vote off Indi because the numbers stay the same and we won't have an even number of players. Therefore no possibility on endless tie.
ok so at this point everyone has voted except indi. i think we should assume by now that he is AWOL and will not be completing the game. i am hoping everyone will check in at some point tomorrow. decide as a town, what you want to do and i will close voting tomorrow night in case you would rather vote him off.
i will remain REF for now, but if things start conflicting again i will have NBF take over.
Post by ☮ superbek ☮ on Aug 9, 2010 1:34:44 GMT -5
well I for one would love to vote him off. He may or may not be mafia but either way, it gives the inspector another guess at a mafia member and we can get more clues from the next mafia murder w/o possibly killing myself or bacon (if we were to go into a run off) since he could be innocent just like me.
However, it seems that if we wanted to be PC about things we should use the 36 hour rule. And since my life kind of hangs in the balance here, I feel I can't really have an opinion about any of it because I am too close to the situation... even more so because I know indi IRL.
With that being said, I don't really give a damn what we do.
Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 9, 2010 7:48:37 GMT -5
well, i think bacon is right as far as keeping the numbers odd. i guess my only concern with that, though, is that it can only help the mafia because they're the only people who know the extra roles (sans inspector of course), so they can make a new play in the game overnight. whereas the townies are stuck just losing someone and not knowing how it effects them at all.
i just kinda talked that through in my head, and i think we need to stick to who we wanted to kill today (or go to a runoff, whatever), and then axe indi on the 36hr rule.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Aug 9, 2010 8:05:56 GMT -5
I was going to say the same thing about keeping an odd number of players in the game. But at the same time, the 36-hour rule is one of the rules of the game, even though I'm not sure it was put in place for players who completely delete their accounts. I could go either way on this.
However, if we do end up playing by the rule, I'd like it if we could all agree to adhere to it strictly.
This round is not even over yet, so we'll have to end this round, then if the next round (or runoff) starts tomorrow, we'll have to wait until Friday for the 36 hours to expire. If my math is right, and it's usually not, then sticking to the rule essentially gives us one more round or runoff this week.
well, i think bacon is right as far as keeping the numbers odd. i guess my only concern with that, though, is that it can only help the mafia because they're the only people who know the extra roles (sans inspector of course), so they can make a new play in the game overnight. whereas the townies are stuck just losing someone and not knowing how it effects them at all.
It could potentially hurt the mafia...what if indi was guilty?
Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 9, 2010 9:08:52 GMT -5
Bek... I know that's a possibility too. But for as extensive as this round has been, I think it would be unfair to undo all we've talked about and/or agreed upon vote-wise to this point. Like ntrt said, the 36hr rule IS a rule. What if India happened to rejoin before that time limit?
I think this round she be allowed to play out normally.
Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 9, 2010 9:18:24 GMT -5
ok sorry for the triple post, but i'm home now and thought i could probably explain myself a little better...
what i mean as far as it helping the mafia is that the mafia already know who is innocent and who is guilty. so whether or not indi is mafia, if we vote him off now, the mafia still has new information to base their overnight kill on, but still leaves the townspeople completely in the dark. and because we've discussed this round of voting so extensively, i think it would be doubly unfair to the townspeople to just disregard all efforts we've made up to this point.
having said that, i'm not saying we should end voting right now. if we still want a bek/bacon runoff, we should do that, but someone will have to change their vote.
I would feel better finishing off this round, and see what happens over night, then we go from there.
I feel like Bek hasn't chimed in much this whole game and she has posted more on this subject than she has the whole game. There is something to be said about that. So therefore I am against Indi being voted off.
I don't want to just vote Indi off. I know it'll be bad numbers wise but I also feel it may hurt the townspeople. yes, it could hurt the Mafia too but we have already come to a decision as a town that Bacon and Bek are most suspicious. I'd rather not change that because of a player quitting.
In the event of a tie is there a creative way we could come up with a tiebreaker? Perhaps a trusted inforooer with no knowledge of our roles could cast the deciding vote?
In the few games I have played, something like this has not come up. I feel that we should finish this round as normal or consider having a 3 way runoff and include indi which would give us another day to decide if we should vote him off or not ??? I feel we are finally getting back on track and not running around like a bunch of discombobulated smileys
I am a little confused about one thing here though, so lemme make sure I have this right. . . Numbers wise, indi is most likely a townie, therefore voting him off would just buy us another day with a somewhat safe vote? If indi was mafia, which I was thinking he was, not so sure now though, voting him off would be in our best interest cause he is not going to give us any further clues or anything to help out finding the other mafia members anyway? I do understand the whole having an odd number of players for no tie runoffs, but if he is going to be killed off due to inactivity, I don't completely understand why we would vote for him this round. So long story short, to the more seasoned players who may have seen this situation before. . . is it worth voting him off, or letting him die? I would consider a change of vote to him to have a 3 way runoff to buy is a little more discussion time, but only if it is worth it or others feel it is needed.
I would feel better finishing off this round, and see what happens over night, then we go from there.
I feel like Bek hasn't chimed in much this whole game and she has posted more on this subject than she has the whole game. There is something to be said about that. So therefore I am against Indi being voted off.
I am for a Bacon-Bek run-off.
I have made three posts related to our current situation. One was to explain what happened to indi in response to the question of "can anyone get ahold of him outside of inforoo?" And I could, so you're welcome.
The next post was my stance on the situation which ended with, I'm down for whatever.
The third was seeking clarification of hippie's asumption that he was innocent.
And now this yet another post where I am having to defend myself because why? I am really tired of you guys rushing to blame me when you have no reason to do so. Every time I say something, I'm guilty. If I don't say anything then I'm guilty, too. Cut me some fucking slack already or fuck the run off and just kill me because I am starting to think that's what you guys want.
I still don't understand what you people want/expect from me?
It is not like if we vote off Indi we are breaking some rule. We are just circumventing it to move the game along faster. In fact I think the mafia probably wants to vote an extra person as opposed to voting off Indi. That way they get an extra (if Indi is innocent of course).
Post by GratefulHippie on Aug 9, 2010 14:18:50 GMT -5
We can't make this decision based on whether we think indi is innocent or guilty because we have no way of knowing until the game is over. to me the next logical step is to decide what is most fair for the players still in the game. in this case it would be to finish out the round the way we would have if he hadn't left. it's not fair to let the only players with omniscient powers to make a decision based on new information and new numbers in population. we've spent a lot of time doing nothing but going in circles, and i am not going through all that just to have it be thrown in the garbage because someone decided they didn't want to play anymore.
I agree with you Hippie. Regardless of Indi's role I think it would be most fair to stick with what we already had decided on.
As for how to proceed after that, I've not a clue other than what I suggested earlier. It really comes down to EAP....she is the REF and has final say because we, as players, are all biased in some way.
EAP, I think you should go ahead and make a decision on how to proceed so the game can get back on track. I know you will do a great job figuring out what to do!
Post by nitetimeritetime on Aug 9, 2010 14:46:17 GMT -5
Ok, I looked at my earlier post, and my math was way off. As it turns out, 36 hours and 72 hours are not the same. I'm not as concerned about the 36 hour rule dragging the game out now, so scratch my earlier post.
At this point, I agree with hippie and jen. I think we should just play the round out. I feel like voting for indi now would just be for the sake of expediency, and I would rather vote for people who seem suspicious this late in the game.
I agree with you Hippie. Regardless of Indi's role I think it would be most fair to stick with what we already had decided on.
As for how to proceed after that, I've not a clue other than what I suggested earlier. It really comes down to EAP....she is the REF and has final say because we, as players, are all biased in some way.
EAP, I think you should go ahead and make a decision on how to proceed so the game can get back on track. I know you will do a great job figuring out what to do!
Jen, I don't think this is a decision EAP can make. We're not deciding whether or not to follow a rule. We're deciding whether or not to change our votes to indi so we don't have to deal with the rule.
EAP can't tell us to change our votes to indi. She also can't tell us that we're not allowed to vote for indi. We can vote for whomever we want to, for whatever reasons we want to.
The only thing EAP can decide in this case is when to close voting. Technically, she could have already closed this round, according to the 36-hour rule, but she hasn't yet.
Post by nitetimeritetime on Aug 9, 2010 15:19:26 GMT -5
^^ OK, so all that said, I'm not changing my vote arbitrarily just because indi quit the board again.
There are three people who haven't voted for the vote leaders right now: bek, bacon, and me. The vote count has bek in the lead. Presumably, when push comes to shove, neither bek nor bacon will vote for themselves. Here's the count now:
If bek and bacon switch their votes to each other, it makes the vote tally:
bek: 4 bacon: 3
That means to get a runoff, I have to vote bacon. Then, for the game to proceed, somebody has to change their vote in the runoff. If nobody does so, the game stalls, and we can't do anything about it unless indi comes back.
But that's ok, because if I have to choose between bacon and bek -- and it looks like I do -- I think Bek's posts have been more suspicious than bacon's. So if it came down to it, I'd switch my vote in the runoff anyway, because I am not really suspicious of bacon.
So instead of creating gridlock, I'm just going to vote for the more suspicious of the two vote leaders.
ntrt >>> bek
If other people want to try to vote off indi, or create a runoff, or whatever else, then go for it.
runoff and include indi which would give us another day to decide if we should vote him off or not ??? I feel we are finally getting back on track and not running around like a bunch of discombobulated smileys 
