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Maybe it's nothing but I just wanted to put it out there for discussion.
EAP keeps bringing up Bacon as being suspicious and to some degree he is. What I find weird is Jen implementing his name in sparking the vote stacking towards Bek. Everyone who has read the tread knows that I was the one to bring that up.
On the other side of the coin. Bacon claims to not have known that FFYM has played the game before. He stated that he started playing the game two rounds after the last game FFYM participated in. That could be an honest mistake.
What I'm having a hard time dealing with is that one of the most anticipated post in the game, so far, was Bek's response to the likely vote stacking. She mentions that she hated to see FFYM leave after coming back to play another round.
I might be wrong but I'm thinking shenanigans.
Edit to add: I don't know which direction to point. I just find something weird about this.
Last Edit: Sept 2, 2010 1:27:00 GMT -5 by Deleted - Back to Top
FFYM went on hiatus for a while, if that helps explain it.
NBF: The relevance of eight players voting for Bek & myself is that it highlights how our grudge vote situation was easily taken advantage of. I make no statement on Bek's innocence or guilt, aside from my thoughts about the vote swing in her direction making me lean towards her innocence. Which leads me to believe that the Mafia supports this.
Another thing you said I'd like to address. You say that it is "entirely likely" there were at least two Mafia votes for Bek and/or myself. I think that's something we can both agree on, so I'm going to backtrack to that common ground (and sorry I got a bit snippy back there.) So let's say there were definitely two Mafia hiding within those eight who had voted Bek/kdogg at that point, and we know there's a third. Outside of the two Mafia within that Bek/kdogg bloc, there are six other players within the Bek/kdogg bloc... but only three players outside of it. All other things being equal, isn't it still twice as likely that the third Mafia would be in that subgroup of six as opposed to the group of three? Wouldn't that be the conclusion to draw from a situation that you yourself deemed "entirely likely" to be the case?
I should probably shut up now, before someone changes their mind about not wanting to kill me. Don't worry, Townspeople, you're doing right in keeping me alive and I intend to pay you back by making Mafia dead.
FFYM went on hiatus for a while, if that helps explain it.
Maybe it should but it doesn't, I had no clue who FFYM was before I signed up for this game but could gather together enough information to know that he wasn't a newb.
I'm not mafia, not sure about kdogg, leaning no on NBF, and I hate to see FFYM go early being his first game back in forever and all. This round is tough... I too wish we would have put bacon in the run off. I mean, he was quick to change his vote for me, wasn't he? geez..../quote]
I'm not trying to implement anyone involved in those posts. All I'm saying is that it's weird that a vet player couldn't pick up on essentially bits of info like that.
Maybe it's nothing but I just wanted to put it out there for discussion.
EAP keeps bringing up Bacon as being suspicious and to some degree he is. What I find weird is Jen implementing his name in sparking the vote stacking towards Bek. Everyone who has read the tread knows that I was the one to bring that up.
On the other side of the coin. Bacon claims to not have known that FFYM has played the game before. He stated that he started playing the game two rounds after the last game FFYM participated in. That could be an honest mistake.
What I'm having a hard time dealing with is that one of the most anticipated post in the game, so far, was Bek's response to the likely vote stacking. She mentions that she hated to see FFYM leave after coming back to play another round.
I might be wrong but I'm thinking shenanigans.
Edit to add: I don't know which direction to point. I just find something weird about this.
SFA- I don't get why everyone thinks Bacon looks suspicious. If anyone else looks suspicious to me it's Mike D. He's playing like he did last game and he voted for Kdogg (which I presume is innocent). I am guessing that Kdogg has 2 mafia votes and FFYM has one. Mafia likes to break it up that way, so that way they're not all voting the same.
What I mean by playing like last game is that he is logs in, but never adds anything to the conversations going on. I am just saying as townspeople it's something we need to look at.
What I mean by playing like last game is that he is logs in, but never adds anything to the conversations going on. I am just saying as townspeople it's something we need to look at.
I guess I understand this but like I have said every time this is brought up I do stay logged on most of the day. I come into work and keep my browser open, even if I am not in the office. I rarely do facebook or linked in or any other network site that is all the rage and I don't have twitter.com account to begin with. Inforoo is all these rolled into one for me and I guess you have not seen when the top 5 or 10 threads in the arcade all have my name on it? I am on all the time, FFYM and a few others are rarely on. People complain about pointless posts. I understand your concern, but it's just what I do.
Outside of the two Mafia within that Bek/kdogg bloc, there are six other players within the Bek/kdogg bloc... but only three players outside of it. All other things being equal, isn't it still twice as likely that the third Mafia would be in that subgroup of six as opposed to the group of three? Wouldn't that be the conclusion to draw from a situation that you yourself deemed "entirely likely" to be the case?
If it was a question of random chance, yeah, it would be more likely that the one person would fall in the group of six, rather than the group of three. But this is not a matter of chance, and I think it's just as likely that the third vote is in the group of three as in the group of six.
How is this not a matter of random chance? Are we not assigned our roles by the same random chance? I am pretty sure that makes this relevant to the game you're playing. (Higgi, clarification on your role selection method would be appreciated here.)
But I'll bite. Let's say there IS one Mafia voting outside those who were after Bek and/or myself. That narrows it down to two players for whom the Mafia would potentially be voting: FFYM & NBF Voting for those players: Jen, SFA and HGH. If your postulation is correct... you're saying one of these three players would be Mafia?
I did point out earlier that Jen & SFA were amongst the players receiving zero Day One votes. I have further noticed that these two have been voting exactly the same. However, Jen reciprocated a vote you first cast and later retracted, so I don't think there's anything unusual there... and I think SFA is on the right track. I'm not so sure either of them is Mafia. So, if I'm properly processing what you're saying... you think HGH is Mafia? If, of course, there is a third Mafia hiding within those three. I'm not so sure of that myself. I think the Mafia took advantage of the grudge vote situation to steer two innocents into the runoff, and I think that all three of them cast votes for Bek and/or myself at that point.
Statistically, putting four players into a runoff should cast a net that includes one Mafia. I know it isn't me, I don't think it's Bek, and I'm leaning towards the innocence of those voting who at that point had voted for NBF. If - and I'm saying "if" here - one of the Mafia got swept up in that net of four, I'm guessing it would be FFYM.
I'm actually more comfortable killing him off now than I was at the start of this post.
What I'm curious about, NBF - and Bek, I'm talking to you too here - what I'm curious about is how you think it is "entirely likely" that the Mafia has voted for me, yet you're still fine with voting for me? Or do you not mind voting the way you think it's "entirely likely" that the Mafia has voted? You are, at the moment, on the record doing just that...
Post by NothingButFlowers on Sept 2, 2010 13:12:41 GMT -5
1. Who is in the mafia is absolutely a matter of random chance. Who votes for whom is not a matter of chance at all. It's a matter of deliberation and choice.
2. I'm saying one of those players could be mafia, but I don't think I have enough information right now to deduce which one, if any, actually is.
3. Again, I am not saying I think any one person is mafia. I'm saying I suspect everyone until I have reason not to do so.
4. I'm perfectly okay with voting for a person that I think someone in the mafia may have voted for because I know for a fact that mafia members sometimes vote for one of their own in the first round.
The thing is, I know we have to apply some sort of deductive reasoning to figure out who is mafia. It just seems to me that you are looking at this from one perspective, and you don't seem to have any interest in considering other possibilities.
Don't tell me I'm not taking other perspectives into account when I know that is not the case. What was that, the third post in which I considered your perspective in trying to figure out who's who? I have considered this from more than one angle, and you know it.
While I'm at it... exactly what the hell did I do to convince you that I'M the guilty one here? Or is it just that Townsperson kdogg makes for a formidable opponent and you're trying to get rid of me?
You're about as easy to reason with as a teabagger this particular game...
How is this not a matter of random chance? Are we not assigned our roles by the same random chance? I am pretty sure that makes this relevant to the game you're playing. (Higgi, clarification on your role selection method would be appreciated here.)
Crap, I gotta go to work not knowing my fate? Argh.
If I'm dead before I return, I'd rather say something than not.
Inspector: I suspect you received a female's name, and if so I suggest you ask about another one of the ladies tonight. I'd go into details, but last time I did this I named names and got whacked overnight... not exactly looking to repeat that.
Mike D- I put a list of 6 names and hgh was included! I'm only calling you out bc I played with you last game and I saw how you played when you were mafia!
Maybe it's nothing but I just wanted to put it out there for discussion.
EAP keeps bringing up Bacon as being suspicious and to some degree he is. What I find weird is Jen implementing his name in sparking the vote stacking towards Bek. Everyone who has read the tread knows that I was the one to bring that up.
Would you rather I implement your name instead?
My post was not about vote stacking as much as who chose her name out of the players Kdogg listed. You may have brought up vote stacking but my point has to do with this:
I am of the belief that there is usually at least one Mafia who makes it through the first round receiving zero votes. We currently have three players receiving zero votes: Bek JenKazoo SuperFurryAnimal
What do you say you & I both change our votes to one of them, rather than each of us voting for one another?
Even though I was one of the ones with zero votes I am usually in favor of trying to get players with zero votes into the run-off. I think in this case it was WAY too easy to stack votes against Bek. It had already been pointed out that she broke (accidentally?) a pre-arranged agreement with Kdogg so that automtically gave people an excuse to vote for her. that kind of makes me think that she is inncocent and I would look to who brought her name up, which is Bacon.
I didn't mean that Bacon brought up the idea of vote stacking. He is the one who brought up her name, in other words, chose her name out of the list that kdogg compiled. The proposal was to Bacon, he chose Bek, then it became easy for others to pile votes onto Bek.
Mike D- I put a list of 6 names and hgh was included! I'm only calling you out bc I played with you last game and I saw how you played when you were mafia!
Post by ☮ superbek ☮ on Sept 2, 2010 15:02:21 GMT -5
kdogg, I didn't say it was "entirely likely" that the mafia was voting for you but I wouldn't doubt it either. You are always my default vote the first round (we're going steady, remember? ). Admittedly, if you were up a vote, you know I would change my vote to FFYM. As it stands now, voting is about to close and you're safe.... I could change my vote but remember what happened last time I did that? I died the next day. I will always do whatever I can to protect you the first round because I always encourage the inspector to ask about you at that time. I think it is more helpful for the inspector to know of your innocence (or lack there of?) more so than to have your head.
Don't worry about not knowing your fate either.... you know I'll text you!
Don't tell me I'm not taking other perspectives into account when I know that is not the case. What was that, the third post in which I considered your perspective in trying to figure out who's who? I have considered this from more than one angle, and you know it.
While I'm at it... exactly what the hell did I do to convince you that I'M the guilty one here? Or is it just that Townsperson kdogg makes for a formidable opponent and you're trying to get rid of me?
You're about as easy to reason with as a teabagger this particular game...
My point all along has been this: I don't think that the fact that you and bek combined had 8 votes at one point is all that informative. I believe that later on, when we have more information, it might be helpful, but as of right now, I don't see that it tells us all that much. I'm sorry that I disagree with you about this, but that's just how I see it.
Also, I never said I was convinced that you are guilty. I have voted for you because I have thought you were more suspicious than my other options. But I will say that before posting this, I went back and reread the whole thread, and I'm certainly not convinced that you are innocent.
And, for the record, I don't really think of you as all that formidable of a player, so even if I was mafia, which I'm not, I wouldn't be all that worried about trying to get rid of you.
You are always my default vote the first round (we're going steady, remember? ). Admittedly, if you were up a vote, you know I would change my vote to FFYM. I will always do whatever I can to protect you the first round....Don't worry about not knowing your fate either.... you know I'll text you!
SFA- I don't get why everyone thinks Bacon looks suspicious. If anyone else looks suspicious to me it's Mike D. He's playing like he did last game and he voted for Kdogg (which I presume is innocent). I am guessing that Kdogg has 2 mafia votes and FFYM has one. Mafia likes to break it up that way, so that way they're not all voting the same.
I think him voting for Kdogg so often is EAP's problem. I don't find that incredibly odd, at this point. Plus, he gave a good reason. More run-offs. I did think him calling FFYM a newb was strange but I'm not gonna harp on it. It would be hypocritical of me to condemn him for a small thing like that, when I've asked for everyone's trust on some of the errors I've made.
I do think Bacon is gonna be a hot topic this round. That was sort of the point of last nights rambling. Don't eat corn and post, kids.
My post was not about vote stacking as much as who chose her name out of the players Kdogg listed. I didn't mean that Bacon brought up the idea of vote stacking. He is the one who brought up her name, in other words, chose her name out of the list that kdogg compiled. The proposal was to Bacon, he chose Bek, then it became easy for others to pile votes onto Bek.
No, not really. I'm already paranoid enough.
I follow you. I thought you meant that he brought up to Bek's vote switch to begin with. My bad.
Good luck on the job interview!
Edit: clarifying
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I don't think calling FFYM a newb was too big of a deal. Bacon and I started playing around the same time, I think my first was somewhere between 18-20. I'd seen him around the forums and noticed him b/c 88 is my favorite number but had no clue he used to play Mafia. The past games I've read were WAY back in the day. I did notice the posts that you pointed out though so I knew he had played......I'm not sure if this is telling or not.
As far as being hypocritical, I've seen people get targeted as Mafia for far less so all's fair, I suppose.
OMG! I forgot to tell you, I saw a Kenny Powers look-a-like this weekend. I got my friend to take a pic so I'll post it when she sends it to me. We kept yelling "You're fucking out!" at him across the bar but he had no clue. Yep....mama Jen went out last weekend and thought she could drink like she did before she was mama Jen. Hit the Jack bottle a little too hard.
You are always my default vote the first round (we're going steady, remember? ). Admittedly, if you were up a vote, you know I would change my vote to FFYM. I will always do whatever I can to protect you the first round....Don't worry about not knowing your fate either.... you know I'll text you!
I'd say "get a room", but I know better.
I knew we were running low on something around here.... thanks for the smileys!! Somebody *ahem* (mike) has been slacking!!
annnddd.... you know I gotta watch out for my birthday brother from another mother!
). Admittedly, if you were up a vote, you know I would change my vote to FFYM. As it stands now, voting is about to close and you're safe.... I could change my vote but remember what happened last time I did that? I died the next day. I will always do whatever I can to protect you the first round because I always encourage the inspector to ask about you at that time. I think it is more helpful for the inspector to know of your innocence (or lack there of?) more so than to have your head.
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