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Either Jhamm was the inspector and the Mafia killed him before he released any more names or he was mafia and this is the most ingenious set up I have ever seen. I'm going to have to guess the former.
Something is giving me the heebie jeebies about EAP this game. I wish I could put a quantum physics or slippery slope explanation to support my psychic intuition about it but I have a very strong feeling that Bacon and EAP are the two remaining mafia.
uh huh, mike D. that's funny, b/c i was going to say the same thing about YOU. i remember when you were mafia last time and you were super quiet just like you are now.
i'm the one that has been saying bacon was mafia from the beginning and SFA was the one who kept defending him....so how how does that make me mafia???
uh huh, mike D. that's funny, b/c i was going to say the same thing about YOU. i remember when you were mafia last time and you were super quiet just like you are now.
i'm the one that has been saying bacon was mafia from the beginning and SFA was the one who kept defending him....so how how does that make me mafia???
Actually last time I was mafia I kept pushing Kels buttons which was a little out of character for me. Really the only time I have been quiet while being mafia is when I was with Kdogg and Wolf and we killed one of our own the first night, but I followed that up by faking inspector when bacon actually was . . . . the "bacon is the worst inspector ever game" incident.
SFA defending bacon doesn't make you mafia and thats not what I said. I dunno, its just a hunch like I said. We will wait to see what happens, but hopefully the mafia kill tonight will shed some light for us.
I personally don't like going solely by voting patterns. That allows the mafia to gain the upper hand. Also lets just say kdogg was mafia. He can make that whole post and it seems like folks see it and treat it like gold. Whats not to say he was mafia and was setting up the game to benefit the remaining two to be as under the radar as possible? I know I am not going to go through and double check all of his work, but I am also not going to just blow it off. I dunno, I guess its just Mike D's inforoo intuition for lack of a better explanation . . . hence the heebie jeebies
Actually last time I was mafia I kept pushing Kels buttons which was a little out of character for me. Really the only time I have been quiet while being mafia is when I was with Kdogg and Wolf and we killed one of our own the first night, but I followed that up by faking inspector when bacon actually was . . . . the "bacon is the worst inspector ever game" incident.
I got to hand it to you guys... that game was fucking epic. I have been weary of mike d since! This game was no exception but your last post was pretty convincing to me. I think if you were mafia you would have been all sly and hesitant to respond to eap but who knows... I have def been wrong before.
eap, please note that this does NOT mean that I am accusing you, I'm just saying that mike's response supports his innocence imo.
Actually last time I was mafia I kept pushing Kels buttons which was a little out of character for me. Really the only time I have been quiet while being mafia is when I was with Kdogg and Wolf and we killed one of our own the first night, but I followed that up by faking inspector when bacon actually was . . . . the "bacon is the worst inspector ever game" incident.
SFA defending bacon doesn't make you mafia and thats not what I said. I dunno, its just a hunch like I said. We will wait to see what happens, but hopefully the mafia kill tonight will shed some light for us.
I personally don't like going solely by voting patterns. That allows the mafia to gain the upper hand. Also lets just say kdogg was mafia. He can make that whole post and it seems like folks see it and treat it like gold. Whats not to say he was mafia and was setting up the game to benefit the remaining two to be as under the radar as possible? I know I am not going to go through and double check all of his work, but I am also not going to just blow it off. I dunno, I guess its just Mike D's inforoo intuition for lack of a better explanation . . . hence the heebie jeebies
i guess i just remembered that game where you tricked everyone b/c i was the ref and i haven't played a game since then.
i haven't really had a reason to suspect you Mike D, but if you keep saying i'm guilty then i would b/c i am def a townie. you also don't know since you didn't play with us a long time ago, but i seriously set the record for most games played without being mafia. i must have played around 7 games before i got to do it. (i was very happy ).
i also didn't imply that you believed SFA defending bacon made me mafia, i was asking you how you could come to that conclusion when in the scenario i presented to you, SFA would be mafia and not me. do you not feel that SFA is on the sketchy list??
i think bacon is suspicious for the same reason i thought wolf was.
EAP>>>>>BACON BACON BACON
Actually, Bacon voted for a runoff over stacking a vote on Wolf. The only person left to vote after that was FFYM. That's when the game got delayed and Kdogg shook things up. If Bacon is Mafia, then we can assume that Wolf wasn't. Would they be in cahoots and vote the way they did? It landed both of them in a runoff before the game had even gotten started. Doesn't seem like a very good strategy. At least I can't see any sense in it.
the only two people bacon saved from a straight up death was wolf and SFA. i agree that we shouldn't look ONLY on voting patterns, but it does give hints. there could always be a red herring (like bek said, someone is hiding for sure).
Actually, Bacon voted for a runoff over stacking a vote on Wolf. The only person left to vote after that was FFYM. That's when the game got delayed and Kdogg shook things up. If Bacon is Mafia, then we can assume that Wolf wasn't. Would they be in cahoots and vote the way they did? It landed both of them in a runoff before the game had even gotten started. Doesn't seem like a very good strategy. At least I can't see any sense in it.
The lesson I've learned during my second game of mafia is to never speak or encourage debate about what has transpired in a game. Yes, I said it and it appears that I was very wrong. However, if you look at what I was referring to, I think it was a fair thing to question....
Votes Cast Mike D >>> noage jhammett >>> wolf Bek >>> kdogg Airline >>> SFA kdogg >>> Bek wolf >>> Bacon noage >>> Mike D EAP >>> wolf Bacon >>> SFA SFA >>> Airline >>> Bacon
Left to Vote fightforyourmind88
Remember, this is before Kdogg switched votes and turned the game in a new direction. I was simple pointing out that it seemed like a bad strategy. Isn't part of the game to discuss and try to figure these things out?
I seriously think it's ridiculous that I'm still having to defend myself to people accusing me of being in cahoots with someone that was trying to force me into a runoff. This is coming from people that also believe that there are 2 Mafia members left. Look at this....
Well the easy thing to do right now would be vote for EAP but reciprocal voting in the second round has little purpose and normally is just used to stay unnoticed. Kdogg being killed implies he was right about something. He implied in his large post that he thought either SFA or Airline were guilty.
[/color] I would love to see a run-off between the two.
The logic he presented makes a lot of sense and I think we should at least consider using it going forward. I am about 75% wolf was mafia. If not I would say Bek is probably Mafia since I know I am a towny. It makes sense that either SFA
[/b][/color]or Airline would be mafia so it would make sense to try to force a run-off between them. [/color] Even in the innocent one were to get killed it would likely force the two remaining mafia members to vote together which increases our chances of picking them off. [/quote]
BTW i picked SFA from airline completely randomly I went back through their posts before I voted and found nothing that made one more suspicious than the other.
I don't disagree with the possibility of Bek being mafia but according to Kdogg's logic there is a 33% chance that either Bek, AWATD, or I are/were Mafia and there is a 50% chance that either SFA or Airline are Mafia. That's why I would like to see a run-off between them.
So does no one agree with my idea that a run-off between SFA and Airline could be fruitful? Reciprocal voting in the second round is a great way to vote off an innocent.
Well now that the lineup has dropped I can think about other things such as Mafia. After re-reading and such I have to agree with Mike D that Jham's vote switch is quite strange. It is more concrete than anything I have on SFA or Airline.
Bacon>>> jham
Can someone with more Mafia experience explain what sort of strategy this is?
I'm serious. I didn't let Kel do this last game when I was Referee - and she was a Townsperson, I should note - so why should things be any different when it's you?
I'm serious. I didn't let Kel do this last game when I was Referee - and she was a Townsperson, I should note - so why should things be any different when it's you?
i'm just confused about why you are sticking up for bacon so much.......why do you care what he says about bacon????
now, if you are an innocent and jhamm comes back tomorrow and says you aren't, then you might want to be defensive, but i just don't see why you are being so adamant about bacons innocence unless:
a. you are really the inspector and know the truth b. you are mafia and bacon is your buttbuddy
Besides the stuff I've already defended myself about, explain to me how I've been adamant about Bacon's innocence? It's also funny that your quoted example had Wolf, Bacon and Myself in a run-off. Further proving what I was getting at. I didn't see the logic in it and I brought it up for discussion.
Pointing out how two members of Mafia would hypothetically act, isn't defended the other person. It's defending yourself. I think I've proven that pretty well, considering I've made it through two runoffs.
Besides your example, the only other time I said anyone seemed more suspicious then Bacon. You agreed with me and said it was Airline. Hold on, I'm about to quote it...
i'm the one that has been saying bacon was mafia from the beginning and SFA was the one who kept defending him....so how how does that make me mafia???
You voted for Bacon at the beginning of round 2 but rarely went into detail about why you thought he was guilty. Once again you are being hyperbolic. How did I "kept defending him?"
Sense you like to bring up my old posts, lets look at some of yours. Also, it should be noted that EAP didn't start attacking me until it was to late for Jham and Airline.
I'm not sure if EAP is guilty, but I do feel the need to address her accusations. Especially considering the way she is choosing to word things.
i also agree with you to some extent bek, i think we should take into consideration what kdogg said for sure, but i do not think we should TOTALLY rely on it. he is a good player, but he has been known to be wrong.
i also think we should watch out for a sleeper. there is usually always one mafia person that says nothing and is really quiet.
he voted for me anyway.......
EAP>>>>BACONBACONBACON>>>>airline
You switched your vote to Airline but you've been certain about Bacon all along?
I'm serious. I didn't let Kel do this last game when I was Referee - and she was a Townsperson, I should note - so why should things be any different when it's you?
Man up and vote.
That was last game and as such has to explicit relevance to this game.
Don't change the subject on me; man up and vote for someone else.
alright SFA.....i see your point. you are right...i didn't go into much detail about why bacon was guilty but i said "the same reason wolf was" and that was b/c he didn't reciprocal vote the person who voted him in the first round (like wolf). after that you defended him.
and in that one quote where three people are listed (wolf/jhamm/airline) and you asked "what happened to bacon?", those were one person taken from the three groups Kdogg listed and wolf/bacon were in the same group so i couldn't choose both.
1-in-3 likelihood of being Mafia: Bek, wolf, Bacon 1-in-2 likelihood of being Mafia: SFA, Airline 1-in-5 likelihood (1-in-6 if you wanna split hairs, I know I'm not Mafia) of being Mafia: jhammett, EAP, FFYM, noage, Mike D
now obviously i was wrong about some of my grouping when i was choosing mafia groups (just like you admitted you were wrong before).
maybe we are BOTH wrong and keep harping on each other b/c we are the only ones actually talking anymore. and maybe that's what the mafia wants us to do. we need to start looking at our quieter players.....mike d, bek, ffym, noage......who do you think out of them SFA???
That was last game and as such has to explicit relevance to this game.
Don't change the subject on me; man up and vote for someone else.
I don't think you understand my objection. Saying "she was a townsperson" is implying that I am mafia, which is something you cannot do seeing as your dead.
now obviously i was wrong about some of my grouping when i was choosing mafia groups (just like you admitted you were wrong before).
maybe we are BOTH wrong and keep harping on each other b/c we are the only ones actually talking anymore. and maybe that's what the mafia wants us to do. we need to start looking at our quieter players.....mike d, bek, ffym, noage......who do you think out of them SFA???
YES. I was totally wrong on several things. Seems like I ended up helping the Mafia more then anything. In hindsight, I should have told everyone to vote for me. That way if the Mafia killed Jham, everyone would at least know they could trust Airline, which is what Jham was asking for. I was just to paranoid to see his point.
I'm hesitant to say anyone's name at the moment. Like I said earlier, it looks like the Mafia's gameplan was to use Kdogg's post to pick off Airline and I. That gave them plenty of room to hide. Going back over the last round, it's hard to see anything to overly shady out of the quieter players.
I guess what we need to look at are vote switches and see if we can find a possible red flag. It's interesting that Airline and Jham were the only ones that kept there votes for me. It's like the mafia focused on Airline for some reason. I'm thinking at some point they made the discussion to off him. Jham came out as inspector and they held there votes to hide suspicion and had to kill him overnight. Also, leaving me to be a prime suspect because I walked right into the role like the dunce I am.
I just don't know. None of the scenarios I can think of are concrete enough to narrow down suspects. Hopefully someone else can find what we are missing.
EAP, what were your thoughts on Wolf maybe not being guilty? You mentioned it briefly somewhere but I'm having trouble finding it.
Post by fightforyourmind88 on Feb 21, 2011 17:16:53 GMT -5
I'm usually pretty quiet during Mafia, and I'm a townie, so I don't think being quiet is a reasonable explanation for anyone's guilt. I think we need to look closer, and not jump at straws.
That said, I don't know who I think is mafia right now. I do believe that Bacon was, but I'm not completely sure that Wolf or Airline was. I think that everyone is going off Kdoggs post, and I'm not sure that's the best strategy right now.
I'm pretty interested to see who Mafia kills off tonight.
So . . . . . wtf are we waiting on. Outside of Bacon going back and forth with a reincarnated player, not a vote has changed since Friday at 2 CST. It is now Wednesday, almost 2 CST. Guess I will check back in a week to get an update on the mafia kill??
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