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Yeah, the way I rationlized paying about 140 in the end was that there was no other way to see this show, and I love this band way to much to swallow my pride for the sake of making a statement to scalpers. Still, the situation sucks... hopefully it can be rectified and everyone else can get tickets.
I will probably do this as well so don't take it personally, but as long as people feel like you do the situation will not change.
I don't take it personally at all. Unfortunately, even if people don't but the tickets, the situation won't change much. The only difference might be that tickets go from being $3,500 to $1,000 or $500.
Like I said, I do feel like a bit of a sellout for buying those tickets, but I didn't want to risk the high probability that nothing gets done about this.
whats the deal with the numbered floor seats? are they just chairs behind the people standing in GA? Is there room to dance a bit when you stand up from the seats?
I found tix for under 300 there, seriously considering it now.
whats the deal with the numbered floor seats? are they just chairs behind the people standing in GA? Is there room to dance a bit when you stand up from the seats?
I found tix for under 300 there, seriously considering it now.
I think it's elevated slightly from the pit section. Could be wrong though, I've only been to MSG once and was in the nosebleeds. Either way I'm pretty sure you get as much room as you would standing in regular seats - I wouldn't be worried, I'm pretty sure wherever you are at this show, everyone is going to be dancing and having an awesome time.
Post by lordrockinhood on Feb 11, 2011 15:33:31 GMT -5
There has never been an event that I thought worthy of supporting a scalper. Maybe it is because I am so close to the business, and I've had a front row seat to watch them running rampant and (mostly) unchecked for the last 15 years.
But you are all correct, scalping will never change. The demand will always be there, and ticket resale is controlled by the strong arm of the mob, (plus lots and LOTS of under the table scratch.)
And this is not meant to make anyone feel bad, just my opinion, and it is an extremely strong one.
Any fan that gets tix by whatever means, I hope you all have a great time regardless
There has never been an event that I thought worthy of supporting a scalper. Maybe it is because I am so close to the business, and I've had a front row seat to watch them running rampant and (mostly) unchecked for the last 15 years.
But you are all correct, scalping will never change. The demand will always be there, and ticket resale is controlled by the strong arm of the mob, (plus lots and LOTS of under the table scratch.)
And this is not meant to make anyone feel bad, just my opinion, and it is an extremely strong one.
Any fan that gets tix by whatever means, I hope you all have a great time regardless
I totally understand and support your view. I wish I had to will to not cave under these circumstances, to be totally honest. Scalpers are disgusting people taking advantage of the passion of a group of people. I know everyone on these boards has a passion for live music like I do and I know the feeling of hatred for them when they get tickets that you deserved. It's just one of the cons of the society that we live in.
But like I said, if I were not able to get tickets by anyone but scalpers, and I stuck to my morals and DIDNT buy them, I would be thoroughly depressed on April 2nd.
Even though I know they'll probably do a reunion tour in 5 years, tops, when Murphy gets bored.
There has never been an event that I thought worthy of supporting a scalper. Maybe it is because I am so close to the business, and I've had a front row seat to watch them running rampant and (mostly) unchecked for the last 15 years.
But you are all correct, scalping will never change. The demand will always be there, and ticket resale is controlled by the strong arm of the mob, (plus lots and LOTS of under the table scratch.)
And this is not meant to make anyone feel bad, just my opinion, and it is an extremely strong one.
Any fan that gets tix by whatever means, I hope you all have a great time regardless
I have sat outside shows rather than pay the scalpers, I mean good ones. Phish Halloween Atlanta (Got miracled 20 mins after it started. The Grateful Dead in Chicago 94, and many more it just sucks. Hopefully everything will work out after the shock wears off for a few days. Also there is some talk that the scalper community did this on purpose in response to his tweets. Stubhub was certainly laying into him last night.
whats the deal with the numbered floor seats? are they just chairs behind the people standing in GA? Is there room to dance a bit when you stand up from the seats?
it is exactly this - there is a barrier then sections of seats, not elevated.
so if you are short, floor tickets might be a bad thing, if you have someone like NoD in front of you.
Using their ticket-swallowing technology that is still too elusive for Ticketmaster to combat, we surmise they completely bought up the vast majority of available tickets for the general public on-sale,
I hope they add a show on friday. I think that is the most likely option.
I'm still inclined to believe the tickets didn't actually sell to any fans this morning. Which I've never seen happen.
I think you are right, I have not heard of a single person getting them. More than one article is guessing it is because of him bashing them the day before. That being said I am certainly going to give him the 48 hours, I have always known he was a class act but it is nice to see that verified.
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If thats true, then it would seem the scalpers have the ability to decide how many tickets they want for a particular show and how many they want to go to the public.
If they are able to buy all the tickets and keep ANYONE else from buying any, then how much control do they really have over the ticket sales industry?
I would be interested to see, out of all the fans at any given show, how many of those fans bought directly from TM and how many from a re-sell site like Stubhub...
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But like I said, if I were not able to get tickets by anyone but scalpers, and I stuck to my morals and DIDNT buy them, I would be thoroughly depressed on April 2nd.
Believe me Hans, I understand this 100 percent. I hope we both somehow get tickets, and then RAGE (And in both... I mean ALL!)
If thats true, then it would seem the scalpers have the ability to decide how many tickets they want for a particular show and how many they want to go to the public.
Without elaborating, yeah pretty much
If they are able to buy all the tickets and keep ANYONE else from buying any, then how much control do they really have over the ticket sales industry?
a LOT... and most of them are actually LICENSED
I would be interested to see, out of all the fans at any given show, how many of those fans bought directly from TM and how many from a re-sell site like Stubhub...
Post by concertjunkie on Feb 11, 2011 20:45:05 GMT -5
Just stole this from the Lolla boards. Might still be hope for some of you yet.
fuck you, scalpers. terminal 5 shows added. holy shit this here is just to say that we were more than taken aback and surprised about the speed of ticket sales for the april 2nd msg gig, as well as the effectiveness of scalper pieces of fucking shit at getting their hands on said tickets before fans could, and it’s knocked us on our asses. no—we didn’t have a smart paperless ticketing system in place, and no—we didn’t have the pre-sale worked out very well, but this is simply because we’ve never sold anything out so quickly in our lives, and certainly never sold out anything as big as msg. i personally thought i was being bold in suggesting to our manager that we might sell it out “in 10 days”. that was my bold claim. everyone laughed at me. it’s us and liquid liquid. that’s it. we had meetings and meetings about the “other band” we needed to “fill the place”, as we were definitely considered to be nowhere near big enough (most of these bands were, like, way bigger than us, by the way). we didn’t sell out hollywood bowl, and that was with both hot chip and sleigh bells. there was, i repeat, no expectation of our selling this out either. my main concerns at the time were things like ticketmaster charges—how they were going to make the tickets ridiculously costly… we never dreamed some shitbags would try to get thousands for our show. it’s insane. but it happened. we all looked at each other in horror and sat there. i mean, aren’t you supposed to be psyched? your band sold out madison square garden! i live in nyc, and that’s the place. i saw the jackson’s victory tour there when i was a kid. but there it was—the shit was gone, and people—not just people, but fucking proper fans—were pissed. nancy from the band tried to buy tickets. failed. i tried. failed. our best friends—not wanting to hassle us for guestlist spots tried—failed. i bought 2 tickets to my own show for 3 times the value like an idiot to see if real tickets showed up. my family got burned. it was, to say the least, weird. we tried getting another day at msg. i’d mentioned this before and most everyone kind of rolled their eyes at me. “2 madison square garden shows, dude? really?” i thought, well, just in case, you know? maybe some people would fly from other places or something. but msg, being one of the most popular venues on the planet, was unsurprisingly booked. (for the record: just because it doesn’t look booked on the internet, doesn’t mean it’s available. just saying.) we tried calling our lawyer about the ticket scalping. “it’s legal”. no joke. it’s fucking legal. i tramped around with friends and band getting insane. i wanted to buy some expensive tickets and then track the seller down to beat him. i acted stupid. i did some classic, shakespearean vain “fist shaking”, etc. i made angry tweets. (i’m wondering now what on earth could be less effective and more of a first-world spoiled idiotic move than “angry tweets”? jesus.) i read conspiracy theories about how this was some cash-grab i orchestrated. i read that there are 50,000 seats at msg (i think our show will have 13k). i read that people had already bought flights, hotels. wanted to bring their kids. waited in the cold. i read that some people thought this was one of the reasons we were calling it quits (check). i read that this was a media stunt we planned. i read very funny comments from my friend aziz, one of which was taken seriously (that msg had given me 30,000 tickets personally for guest list). i read that i was giving all the tickets to my “new celebrity friends” (aziz is about the closest thing i have to a “celebrity friend”, and we met at terminal 5 watching hot chip when we were, well, not very “celebrated”). i read that we should cancel the show and put the tickets up on sale in a better fashion. i read that we should not do that, for fuck’s sake. i read that we should go fuck ourselves. i read a lot of stuff, waiting to hear if we could get another night at msg, which seemed like the only option. but it failed. then i kind of sat in my house, trying not to worry for 20 minutes, and made a very, very good coffee. i don’t know what people think about us, really. i’d love to say i don’t care, but i do. these people in my band—they are my very good friends. i love them very much. i love this band very much. everything about it. i’m very proud of it—of us, and i get defensive when people talk shit about us. i feel like we’ve been able to do something sort of special for 9 years: making music we like the way we like it. going on tour and playing, no computers or bullshit. no in-ears. a bunch of weird substitute teachers just trying to play something like the bands we loved growing up. whenever anyone said shit about us being sellouts or something, it stung, because i consider this entire thing—the band, everything—to be a communication between us and whoever is listening, and not just a thing unto itself. i remember being a fan and seeing bands, thinking “this is us. this is you playing and me/us watching” and how real that connection was, and i always wanted to honor that strange relationship with our band. so when someone felt wronged or hurt or outraged, it stung. it stung because, on some level, regardless of the “you can’t please everyone” stuff that gets rationally said to you when this shit happens, it meant that i’d failed. i’d failed to communicate. on the other hand, i’ve had my world turned upside down by a lot of amazing things people have said about us, or to us. i’ve met fans and made friends, and felt very strongly how that relationship actually works—and how we brought ourselves, each other, finally here, to where we play our last show—and biggest show ever—together, at this amazing place. and then, this fucking ticket thing happened. so to the point. you can’t make everyone happy, and i’m sure this will wind someone up somewhere (“but i paid $600 for one seat at msg!!!) or seem like some shitty “plan” to someone else (“they were gonna do it all along!!! it’s all a big retirement money plan to bilk the fans!!!”) or something else that someone who theoretically likes our band thinks (why are you trying to buy a ticket?? how could you even listen to a band that you think is capable of some of this shit!??) but we’ve come up with the best solution i can think of, as quickly as possible so as to deflate the market for those scalping scumfucks. we’re going to play 4 shows at terminal 5 in nyc leading up to the msg show, and they will include most if not all of the songs we play at msg. the farewell run-up to the last dance. it’ll be the 28th, 29th, 30th and 31st of march. obviously we’re going to look seriously at the way we sell these tickets. not “paperless, (i’ve been advised that the “paperless” thing is apparently now illegal in ny… seriously—don’t ask me) but there are some ideas floating around that could be just as effective (though it’ll take a minute to get folks in the door.) we’ll announce the shows officially early in the week, and tickets will be on sale soon after. we’re announcing all the shows at once, and if they don’t sell out, i don’t care. i just want to give people who actually want to see us a chance to see us. for a reasonable ticket price. and i want to drop the price of the msg tickets being sold by piece of shit scalpers. oh—and a small thing to scalpers: “it’s legal” is what people say when they don’t have ethics. the law is there to set the limit of what is punishable (aka where the state needs to intervene) but we are supposed to have ethics, and that should be the primary guiding force in our actions, you fucking fuck. and to everyone else: thank you. you rule. don’t let the shitbags win. i feel like conan o’brien. james
Just stole this from the Lolla boards. Might still be hope for some of you yet.
quack you, scalpers. terminal 5 shows added. holy Leno this here is just to say that we were more than taken aback and surprised about the speed of ticket sales for the april 2nd msg gig, as well as the effectiveness of scalper pieces of quacking Leno at getting their hands on said tickets before fans could, and it’s knocked us on our donkeys. no—we didn’t have a smart paperless ticketing system in place, and no—we didn’t have the pre-sale worked out very well, but this is simply because we’ve never sold anything out so quickly in our lives, and certainly never sold out anything as big as msg. i personally thought i was being bold in suggesting to our manager that we might sell it out “in 10 days”. that was my bold claim. everyone laughed at me. it’s us and liquid liquid. that’s it. we had meetings and meetings about the “other band” we needed to “fill the place”, as we were definitely considered to be nowhere near big enough (most of these bands were, like, way bigger than us, by the way). we didn’t sell out hollywood bowl, and that was with both hot chip and sleigh bells. there was, i repeat, no expectation of our selling this out either. my main concerns at the time were things like ticketmaster charges—how they were going to make the tickets ridiculously costly… we never dreamed some shitbags would try to get thousands for our show. it’s insane. but it happened. we all looked at each other in horror and sat there. i mean, aren’t you supposed to be psyched? your band sold out madison square garden! i live in nyc, and that’s the place. i saw the jackson’s victory tour there when i was a kid. but there it was—the Leno was gone, and people—not just people, but quacking proper fans—were pissed. nancy from the band tried to buy tickets. failed. i tried. failed. our best friends—not wanting to hassle us for guestlist spots tried—failed. i bought 2 tickets to my own show for 3 times the value like an idiot to see if real tickets showed up. my family got burned. it was, to say the least, weird. we tried getting another day at msg. i’d mentioned this before and most everyone kind of rolled their eyes at me. “2 madison square garden shows, dude? really?” i thought, well, just in case, you know? maybe some people would fly from other places or something. but msg, being one of the most popular venues on the planet, was unsurprisingly booked. (for the record: just because it doesn’t look booked on the internet, doesn’t mean it’s available. just saying.) we tried calling our lawyer about the ticket scalping. “it’s legal”. no joke. it’s quacking legal. i tramped around with friends and band getting insane. i wanted to buy some expensive tickets and then track the seller down to beat him. i acted stupid. i did some classic, shakespearean vain “fist shaking”, etc. i made angry tweets. (i’m wondering now what on earth could be less effective and more of a first-world spoiled idiotic move than “angry tweets”? jesus.) i read conspiracy theories about how this was some cash-grab i orchestrated. i read that there are 50,000 seats at msg (i think our show will have 13k). i read that people had already bought flights, hotels. wanted to bring their kids. waited in the cold. i read that some people thought this was one of the reasons we were calling it quits (check). i read that this was a media stunt we planned. i read very funny comments from my friend aziz, one of which was taken seriously (that msg had given me 30,000 tickets personally for guest list). i read that i was giving all the tickets to my “new celebrity friends” (aziz is about the closest thing i have to a “celebrity friend”, and we met at terminal 5 watching hot chip when we were, well, not very “celebrated”). i read that we should cancel the show and put the tickets up on sale in a better fashion. i read that we should not do that, for fuck’s sake. i read that we should go quack ourselves. i read a lot of stuff, waiting to hear if we could get another night at msg, which seemed like the only option. but it failed. then i kind of sat in my house, trying not to worry for 20 minutes, and made a very, very good coffee. i don’t know what people think about us, really. i’d love to say i don’t care, but i do. these people in my band—they are my very good friends. i love them very much. i love this band very much. everything about it. i’m very proud of it—of us, and i get defensive when people talk Leno about us. i feel like we’ve been able to do something sort of special for 9 years: making music we like the way we like it. going on tour and playing, no computers or bullhonkey. no in-ears. a bunch of weird substitute teachers just trying to play something like the bands we loved growing up. whenever anyone said Leno about us being sellouts or something, it stung, because i consider this entire thing—the band, everything—to be a communication between us and whoever is listening, and not just a thing unto itself. i remember being a fan and seeing bands, thinking “this is us. this is you playing and me/us watching” and how real that connection was, and i always wanted to honor that strange relationship with our band. so when someone felt wronged or hurt or outraged, it stung. it stung because, on some level, regardless of the “you can’t please everyone” stuff that gets rationally said to you when this Leno happens, it meant that i’d failed. i’d failed to communicate. on the other hand, i’ve had my world turned upside down by a lot of amazing things people have said about us, or to us. i’ve met fans and made friends, and felt very strongly how that relationship actually works—and how we brought ourselves, each other, finally here, to where we play our last show—and biggest show ever—together, at this amazing place. and then, this quacking ticket thing happened. so to the point. you can’t make everyone happy, and i’m sure this will wind someone up somewhere (“but i paid $600 for one seat at msg!!!) or seem like some Leno-y “plan” to someone else (“they were gonna do it all along!!! it’s all a big retirement money plan to bilk the fans!!!”) or something else that someone who theoretically likes our band thinks (why are you trying to buy a ticket?? how could you even listen to a band that you think is capable of some of this Leno!??) but we’ve come up with the best solution i can think of, as quickly as possible so as to deflate the market for those scalping scumfucks. we’re going to play 4 shows at terminal 5 in nyc leading up to the msg show, and they will include most if not all of the songs we play at msg. the farewell run-up to the last dance. it’ll be the 28th, 29th, 30th and 31st of march. obviously we’re going to look seriously at the way we sell these tickets. not “paperless, (i’ve been advised that the “paperless” thing is apparently now illegal in ny… seriously—don’t ask me) but there are some ideas floating around that could be just as effective (though it’ll take a minute to get folks in the door.) we’ll announce the shows officially early in the week, and tickets will be on sale soon after. we’re announcing all the shows at once, and if they don’t sell out, i don’t care. i just want to give people who actually want to see us a chance to see us. for a reasonable ticket price. and i want to drop the price of the msg tickets being sold by piece of Leno scalpers. oh—and a small thing to scalpers: “it’s legal” is what people say when they don’t have ethics. the law is there to set the limit of what is punishable (aka where the state needs to intervene) but we are supposed to have ethics, and that should be the primary guiding force in our actions, you quacking quack. and to everyone else: thank you. you rule. don’t let the shitbags win. i feel like conan o’brien. james
He is pretty much my hero right now. For being real and nothing more.
Post by RadioSpirit on Feb 11, 2011 23:15:47 GMT -5
I feel like sometimes Murphy comes off as a bit of a sarcastic hipster, but this should prove to anyone how amazing he is. Seriously. Amazing band. Amazing guy. That letter made me love him so much, even though I probably won't be able to go, due to school and stuff.
I wish some kind of legal reform could come to this whole situation....