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so that's what you attack ? as if nothing i had to say was pertinent ?
If i cared, I'd ask you to explain and define exactly how you feel I am martyring myself.
But i don't. It's clear you'd rather attack me for having a different opinion than you. And attack my right to defend those simply reporting their own experiences.
I only introduced sarcasm to reply to it. Keep going for red herrings and you'll keep finding them.
I also had a very good time this year. But part of that resulted from being able to direct myself to a deeper denial of the problems than in years past. Attitude is everything. But to deny that there ARE problems, and then to RIP on those who voice them, is to continue denial.
This has nothing do with a difference of opinions. There are plenty of topics on Inforoo that I disagree with folks on and don't feel any need to touch upon. It's this stream of complaining over things that, in most cases, could have been non-issues with a little effort. Trust me, I realize thievery and poor handling of medical issues are legitimate concerns. As for this talk about people's appearances (who cares if they're dressed in black?), complaints over people talking (your feet aren't set in concrete), and bad neighbors (if it's really that bad, tent only seems to be the answer), I really don't think the term whining is a stretch.
I apologize for letting myself get sucked into this garbage, but it just gets old.
i dont care what people wear at all. i was just saying i dont know how they do it in the heat. i had to take a quick trip to the movie tent for the ac for a couple mins on friday or else i woulda been in trouble.
Post by rastaradam on Jun 24, 2007 11:05:48 GMT -5
bos1969 said:
Maybe it was due to Tool, maybe it was due to The Police - who knows - but I did see an overabundance of kids dressed all in black - an overabundance of small children baking in the Tennesee sun - an overabundance of unsupervised teenagers (I am not talking 17-18 year olds - I am talking the 13-15 age range).
I don't think it's due to any band or the fact that the lineups are becoming more eclectic. Seems there are just a bunch of unsavory characters who are taking advantage of the trust that Bonnaroovians extend each other, whether it be a bunk hustler or some meathead who took a security job just to hassle people. As far as the unsupervised children, word is out that Bonnaroo is a "safe" place to send your kids.
I agree, Ellis. It makes me sad to come to this board and read the whining and complaints. I used to come here and read nothing but positivity toward Bonnaroo, but no longer.
The vibe of this board has gone downhill drastically this week.
It never used to be like this. I've been on this board 2 and a half years, have gone to every bonnaroo, and this is the first time on the Inforoo that people are incessantly whining post-bonnaroo. I wish they would give it a rest. Their point has been made.
Post by freedomofmusic on Jun 24, 2007 11:20:14 GMT -5
Ellis - thank you for the post!!!! I agree with you 100%. I really couldn't believe all the negativity on this board when I got back. What a downer. I am avoiding MANY threads just to get away from that yucky feeling! We just had our 5th totally POSITIVE bonnaroo and I can't wait for next year.
BTW - They were out of your shirt when I looked too -- maybe they will have it online. It was definately my favorite design. Great work!
This has nothing do with a difference of opinions. There are plenty of topics on Inforoo that I disagree with folks on and don't feel any need to touch upon. It's this stream of complaining over things that, in most cases, could have been non-issues with a little effort. Trust me, I realize thievery and poor handling of medical issues are legitimate concerns. As for this talk about people's appearances (who cares if they're dressed in black?), complaints over people talking (your feet aren't set in concrete), and bad neighbors (if it's really that bad, tent only seems to be the answer), I really don't think the term whining is a stretch.
I apologize for letting myself get sucked into this garbage, but it just gets old.
I love you all unconditionally.
Thanks for the clarification. You'll note, I'm sure, that I never bitched about the dust or what people wore so I was a little surprised that you chose to respond to me in such a fashion. There are 2-3 threads that voice complaints and hundreds that don't. I don't find it all suprising that is the case a week after roo 07. There are good things to emerge from sharing experiences. Someone might find a stolen item or a common trouble with a common pod. I just don't see the need for anyone to be judgemental about others' concerns. That's just stepping on the head of the person that had a bummer. I don't think anyone is trying to talk anyone out of going to roo as an absolute. But saying that someone who had a bummer and voiced it should not return to the fest, just seems a little overboard, to say the least.
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jun 24, 2007 11:44:08 GMT -5
Well said Ellis... it may just be a ltitle post-festival withdraw; perhaps 10,000 lakes fest could cure it ;D
I swear I saw you while I was walking on Bushy Branch, but I didn't have enough energy to find out if it was you... I should have said "yeahhhhhh" as I walked by and see if you looked.
And yes, John Butler did kick ass... it is amazing how good music can make you forget that you are sitting in a farm field with nearly 100 degree heat in the middle of the afternoon on a Sunday. The guy is incredible and I thoroughly enjoyed that show.
ellis said:
since i got back from the roo i've only been lurking... not really having the energy to type. ;D but as i read page after page of complaints it really kinda made me not want to read the board anymore. I for one had an amazing time despite everything everyone complained about. we all had times we were uncomfortable or had something bad happen. but you know what? its bonnaroo. the one time where nothing else in the world matters and all you have to do it enjoy the music and laugh and smile and feel the energy of 80,000 other people all there with you. I dont mean to get on a soap box but i just wish more people could appreciate the good things and realize that one of the most important things bonnaroo could teach you is to just be happy and accept those things you can not change and to get over it. we were there for something way bigger than ourselves.
*side note: to all the people who had really bad times... im so sorry and wish it could have been different for you. im not trying to minimalize what happened to you.. but you're bringing everyone else down!*
so now that i'm recovered and back to the board... i missed seeing you guys at the inforoo tent! got kinda caught up in the whirlwind! wish i could have met some of yall!
to make up for my rant: i have to say my fave roo moments were dancing till the sun came up to sasha and digweed... seeing john butler kick a$$... and sam roberts band. amazing! omg i want to do him hardcore! *naughty naughty thoughts*
oh and i didnt even get to buy one of my shirts lol they sold out! haha oh well. wooz texted me that he saw some girl wearing my shirt and it made my whole weekend! thanks wooz!
I knew you were responsible for one of the designs, but never knew which?!
Do you mind posting a pic?
PS -- I certainly agree with the thread's sentiment!
Ellis's design was the one with the guitar - at the Bonnaroo store it is on the kids tee-shirts.
actually- it was on a adult female blue shirt... the one with the orange flowers.
and to respond to the people who became defensive about me feeling tired of all the negativity... im really sorry you feel that way... and i agree that everyone should post their expieriences. say what you want to say! i was just saying that there is a greater lesson to be learned from bonnaroo... and that is tolerance, patience, and being able to get over the stupid stuff. I feel like the people complaining over the things they had full control over is just that... COMPLAINING.
not trying to add fuel to the fire... i just thought people could look at their experiences and maybe realize it wasn't so bad after all.
Post by finrooster on Jun 24, 2007 12:14:28 GMT -5
meg and boz ,wrote But there were issues with the people we traveled with, the people that camped next to us, the security, and (as I have said before) the "vibe" this year. Maybe it was due to Tool, maybe it was due to The Police - who knows - but I did see an overabundance of kids dressed all in black
First off , Issues with people you travelled with? Ha!
2nd maybe neighbors had problem cause of your friends
Post by oleander124 on Jun 24, 2007 12:46:01 GMT -5
aquariumdrunk said:
This has nothing do with a difference of opinions. There are plenty of topics on Inforoo that I disagree with folks on and don't feel any need to touch upon. It's this stream of complaining over things that, in most cases, could have been non-issues with a little effort. Trust me, I realize thievery and poor handling of medical issues are legitimate concerns. As for this talk about people's appearances (who cares if they're dressed in black?), complaints over people talking (your feet aren't set in concrete), and bad neighbors (if it's really that bad, tent only seems to be the answer), I really don't think the term whining is a stretch.
I apologize for letting myself get sucked into this garbage, but it just gets old.
I love you all unconditionally.
Since these were my complaints, I'll address them.
1. There were people talking amongst the entire crowd. To move to a spot where it was actually "quiet" would be to find a portopotty that didn't have sh!t in it.
2. You didn't have my neighbors and you don't know how bad it was. If everyone with crappy neighbors moved to tent only, there would be no room. (It seems there were plenty of crapholes there this year.)
In my experience, there seemed to be an overabundance of people that weren't there for the music, but rather the scene. And folks, that is my opinion. You shouldn't call anyone a "whiner" because they express their experience.
I have some thoughts on the changing vibe of 'roo.
It all started with the Dead and the cummunal mindset of Height/Ashbury. The people who jumped onto that scene made it what it was. Traditions were started and the "lot ethic" was established. These things were passed down to the noobs and everyone learned how it was to be done. Then Jerry died. The Scene shifted to the Phish shows of the 90's. Those same traditions were passed along. Then Phish broke up and now there really isn't a central band in the jam scene anymore. It was split into factions; SCI, UM, DB, Moe, WSP etc. That's all fine and dandy but at the same time it makes it difficult for noobs to "get it".
I don't think the "vibe" difference is a lone Bonnaroo problem, it's everywhere. As the old Dead Heads fade and the Phish heads grow up there are less of us out there who know what that original vibe is. Take up the torch and pass it along. Keep it burning bright.
I give up - I deleted my "whiny" posts from this thread and will do so in other threads - I thought this was a place where I could express my opinion - whether it wsa good or bad and not be attacked for it - sadly I was wrong
The vibe of this board has gone downhill drastically this week.
And I understand Bonnaroo did this year, too.
Having been to Bonnaroo every year, I can tell you that you understood wrong.
BONNAROO IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT. It's been that way since it's inception and hasn't changed in 5 years.
Of the 6 Bonnaroo's I've attended, this year was the second best, only behind 2006, and only b/c last year had music that was slightly more tuned to my taste.
Post by oleander124 on Jun 24, 2007 12:59:32 GMT -5
bos1969 said:
I give up - I deleted my "whiny" posts from this thread and will do so in other threads - I thought this was a place where I could express my opinion - whether it wsa good or bad and not be attacked for it - sadly I was wrong
I agree with you, Meg. Since I have come home, I have felt ostracized by those that had a great time and don't want to hear other's experiences. I don't like to be called names (whiner) and basically told it's my fault that I didn't have a good time because "it's what you make it". Sometimes there are things out of your control and they influence your experience.
Have I ever said I hate Bonnaroo and will never go back? NO. Don't attack anyone or call them names because they are bringing you down. Imagine how you would feel if you've been looking to this for a year only to be disappointed after it was over. That's hard enough.
I too feel that this year was the first time there were a lot of written complaints on the board about this year's Bonnaroo. I feel for the most part they are because we all had expectations of what Bonnaroo was going to deliver because they have done such a stellar job in the past. In real life, as in Bonnaroo life, we have to let go of our expectations, because expectations cause frustration and resentments. I think that as a Bonnaroo crowd, we ALL get that and we able to get over the things Bonnaroo staff did wrong and we had a good time anyway.
That being said, I personally want to thank every single person who took the time to write their concerns/complaints on Inforoo. I know it is seen as contributing to a negative vibe on Inforoo, but without it, Superfly/AC Entertainment would not know the shortcomings of 2007. We all know they read this board, and I can only hope they are printing them off and taking them into meetings to better prepare for 2008. During my drive home, I was contemplating the letter I was going to write to Superfly/AC Entertainment to let them know that they were unorganized and unprepared for the festival this year; however, because everyone did such a good job telling their stories, all I had to do was write to Superfly & AC Entertainment and send them the link to those threads. Let's hope they listen.
Also, I think it is useful to newbies to know what we experienced in 2007. People need to be better prepared for Roo if SF/AC isn't going to come through as promised on medical tents, etc. Also, even though it is not SF/AC's fault that there was dust, I think Inforoo newbies need to know how to deal with it and that it can happen. I feel that helping those who have never been before is our greatest contribution on Inforoo. These things need to be documented. I, for one, do not consider it whining, especially because the majority of the posts written conclude with the statement, "but we'll be back next year."
All of these threads will die and drop out of the top page, but we have said what needs to be said, and we will all be here to thank Superfly/AC Entertainment if they make things right in 2008.
Post by oleander124 on Jun 24, 2007 13:00:49 GMT -5
gougeaway said:
oleander124 said:
And I understand Bonnaroo did this year, too.
Having been to Bonnaroo every year, I can tell you that you understood wrong.
BONNAROO IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT. It's been that way since it's inception and hasn't changed in 5 years.
Of the 6 Bonnaroo's I've attended, this year was the second best, only behind 2006, and only b/c last year had music that was slightly more tuned to my taste.
So you're saying I'm wrong and about 20 other people on these boards are wrong?
Niiiiiice.
How about this: these comments about Bonnaroo changing are what you make them!!! Why do you let them get to you so much, eh?
i didnt want this post to make people feel bad or to start fights between people. this has gotten out of hand.
I just thought that maybe a little perspective change was needed thats all. I understand that people had bad things happen... i think you should feel FREE to post whatever you want. i should also have that right and my intention was to maybe re-direct focus back to what bonnaroo was all about in the first place... peace and music.
i think my focus of this post was twisted away from the mind-set of dealing with the issues to just attacking other people. come on everybody we just need a big group hug!! seriously.
i think my focus of this post was twisted away from the mind-set of dealing with the issues to just attacking other people. come on everybody we just need a big group hug!! seriously.[/quote]
Post by strumntheguitar on Jun 24, 2007 13:12:24 GMT -5
Effff this is getting old real quick guys. It's like the Kramer issue over and over again. People disagree, and rather than just stating their opinion and allowing others to state their rebuttal it just goes around in a vicious circle. What's it matter to you if I say I have a great time or I say I had a bad time, really. Does it change your experience? At first, when I just got back from the Roo and still had the jitters and I came on and saw people saying they didn't enjoy it I was offended cause I was still reveling in my personal Roo glory.
And I admit, that was stupid and slightly immature of me.
But here we are, a week after the Roo and people are still whining about the whiners? Whiners don't bring others down. The constant bickering amongst this board over irrelevant things bring people down. Certain topics spark these pointless debates all the time on this board, and it gets old. Especially when people see multiple threads dealing with it, and then have the desire to start a new thread just to ensure that the argument keeps going.
During my drive home, I was contemplating the letter I was going to write to Superfly/AC Entertainment to let them know that they were unorganized and unprepared for the festival this year; however, because everyone did such a good job telling their stories, all I had to do was write to Superfly & AC Entertainment and send them the link to those threads. Let's hope they listen.
Also, I think it is useful to newbies to know what we experienced in 2007. People need to be better prepared for Roo if SF/AC isn't going to come through as promised on medical tents, etc. Also, even though it is not SF/AC's fault that there was dust, I think Inforoo newbies need to know how to deal with it and that it can happen. I feel that helping those who have never been before is our greatest contribution on Inforoo. These things need to be documented. I, for one, do not consider it whining, especially because the majority of the posts written conclude with the statement, "but we'll be back next year."
All of these threads will die and drop out of the top page, but we have said what needs to be said, and we will all be here to thank Superfly/AC Entertainment if they make things right in 2008.
Just wanted to say thank you for writing a level-headed, mature response that I think captured the sentiments of "whiners" like me well (refer to posts in the F**K you Bonnaroo forum for context). My main goal is to be open about the positive & negative aspects of my experience in hopes of making next year better and of informing newbies (since I learned a lot here before going to my first Roo in '06) of all that they should be prepared for.
Since you wrote a letter, could you please PM me the contact info for where you are sending it. I would like to write a constructive letter to them as well.