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So you're saying I'm wrong and about 20 other people on these boards are wrong?
Yes, I am saying you are wrong. Correct me if I am wrong, but this was your first Bonnaroo, right? So you have nothing to base your experiences on other than this year alone. So any comparison you can make to the vibe of the fest is based on your pre-conceived notions from other people's posts.
My experiences dictate to me how I view things. I do not let other people guide or shape my opinions. I have experienced every Bonnaroo and have spent 22 nights on that farm. The crowd wasn't much different than before. There are always going to be shady people, scenesters, people who aren't there for the music, people who are there to party. Those people were there in 2002, and they haven't disappeared off the face of the earth. They are also going to be plenty of positive, friendly people, who are there for the same reason you are. These people were also present in 2002, and that is not going to change.
In my opinion, the vibe of an experience directly correlates to the vibe which you project. Of course this isn't true in every case, but as a Bonnaroo veteran, it is most certainly the case at Bonnaroo. I can tell you that the vibe you project toward other Bonnaroovians will usually elicit an equal vibe towards you, positive or negative. Surely negative vibes are in the air, as well as positive. This is the nature of yin/yang and the world around us. At Bonnaroo, you must seize upon all the positive vibes flowing through the air, and shrug off any negative vibes that find their way to you. Cast the negative vibes aside like the dust in the air, or the dirt on the ground. They are a minor burden in comparison the endless amounts of positive vibrations flowing outward from Bonnaroo in forms such as music, and like-minded music lovers sharing an experience.
Bonnaroo is what you make it. I wouldn't say that if I didn't firmly believe it.
Wow. I can't believe some of the crap I've been reading. How does anyone get off attacking someone because they didn't have as good a time as you did. Personally, I had a blast, and I'm already planning for next year. But to come down on someone because they ran into unfortunate circumstances or unfortunate people is what is bringing the inforoo vibe down. It's not the "whiners", but the people whining about the whiners that are bothering me. A big group hug and a peace pipe sound like a wonderful idea. Where is Corncat when you need him. I think this thread needs to be hijacked.
I give up - I deleted my "whiny" posts from this thread and will do so in other threads - I thought this was a place where I could express my opinion - whether it wsa good or bad and not be attacked for it - sadly I was wrong
Please remember that the ones who are bashing the "whiners" for telling about their encounters are just one opinion among many who don't always post.
Everyone doesn't think you are whining, Megan, you are a real asset to this community, the Inforoo forum. Please don't take all your valuable posts down.
Life is not always rosy and Bonnaroo isn't either.
I like to hear about what happened to everyone, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Post by oleander124 on Jun 24, 2007 13:38:16 GMT -5
gougeaway said:
oleander124 said:
So you're saying I'm wrong and about 20 other people on these boards are wrong?
Yes, I am saying you are wrong. Correct me if I am wrong, but this was your first Bonnaroo, right? So you have nothing to base your experiences on other than this year alone. So any comparison you can make to the vibe of the fest is based on your pre-conceived notions from other people's posts.
My experiences dictate to me how I view things. I do not let other people guide or shape my opinions. I have experienced every Bonnaroo and have spent 22 nights on that farm. The crowd wasn't much different than before. There are always going to be shady people, scenesters, people who aren't there for the music, people who are there to party. Those people were there in 2002, and they haven't disappeared off the face of the earth. They are also going to be plenty of positive, friendly people, who are there for the same reason you are. These people were also present in 2002, and that is not going to change.
In my opinion, the vibe of an experience directly correlates to the vibe which you project. Of course this isn't true in every case, but as a Bonnaroo veteran, it is most certainly the case at Bonnaroo. I can tell you that the vibe you project toward other Bonnaroovians will usually elicit an equal vibe towards you, positive or negative. Surely negative vibes are in the air, as well as positive. This is the nature of yin/yang and the world around us. At Bonnaroo, you must seize upon all the positive vibes flowing through the air, and shrug off any negative vibes that find their way to you. Cast the negative vibes aside like the dust in the air, or the dirt on the ground. They are a minor burden in comparison the endless amounts of positive vibrations flowing outward from Bonnaroo in forms such as music, and like-minded music lovers sharing an experience.
Bonnaroo is what you make it. I wouldn't say that if I didn't firmly believe it.
Thanks. I like to be told my opinion doesn't matter. Whatever, man.
Just for the record, I projected a positive vibe while I was on the farm. You didn't experience what I did. Don't tell anyone they are wrong for their opinion. Yes, it was my first Roo and I don't have anything to base my experience on, but there are many others that have been before and said the vibe changed for them as well.
First of all, I never said your opinion doesn't matter. If I said this please, point it out.
Second, Your opinion is that the vibe of Bonnaroo was not as good as it has been in the past. The only possible way you can hold this opinion is to have attended Bonnaroo before. That is the only thing I said you were wrong about.
I agree, I didn't experience what you did. I experienced what I did. It doesn't really matter to YOU that my experience was a grand adventure and one of the best times of my life. You are determined to point out that you and 20 other people had a bad time and believe that this is reality. Instead of reading and reacting to the countless other posts who have been before and said that their experience was positive, you'd rather only believe the negative veiwpoints. If that is what you want to believe, I can't stop you. I am just trying to share my positive experiences with you and hope that somehow they seep their way into your life and make an impact on you if you do ever choose to go to Bonnaroo again.
When they come to take you down When they bring that wagon round When they come to call on you and drag your poor body down Just one thing I ask of you, just one thing for me Please forget you know my name, my darling sugaree Shake it, shake it sugaree, just dont tell them that you know me
Post by oleander124 on Jun 24, 2007 13:48:47 GMT -5
gougeaway said:
First of all, I never said your opinion doesn't matter. If I said this please, point it out.
Well, to tell someone what they said is wrong is basically telling them what they said doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to you that others have said the vibe FOR THEM changed, does it? Probably not.
Second, Your opinion is that the vibe of Bonnaroo was not as good as it has been in the past. The only possible way you can hold this opinion is to have attended Bonnaroo before. That is the only thing I said you were wrong about.
I never said the vibe changed. I said I understood the vibe of Bonnaroo had changed. There is a difference. Also, read the last paragraph I wrote in my post before this one.
I agree, I didn't experience what you did. I experienced what I did. It doesn't really matter to YOU that my experience was a grand adventure and one of the best times of my life. You are determined to point out that you and 20 other people had a bad time and believe that this is reality. Instead of reading and reacting to the countless other posts who have been before and say that their experience was positive, you'd rather only believe the negative veiwpoints.
I am glad you had a nice time. I never said I didn't feel that way. I think you (and many others) are trying to get onto the people that didn't have a good time and are ruining your post-Roo glow.
I always said that I had a good time, but there are things that will keep me from going back. Perhaps you should read all of my posts before you attack me with WRONG information.
ps--how is the fact that countless other people feel the same way I do NOT reality?
Post by oleander124 on Jun 24, 2007 14:12:18 GMT -5
gougeaway said:
This will be my last post, but I do want to say that the vibe of this board has been changed specifically by posts such as yours. It's not that you aren't entitled to your opinion, because you are. I just think you should understand that this board was NEVER like this before you and others started going on and on about your bad time. This used to be the safehaven for the hardcore Bonnaroovians to come and discuss all that which was positive about Bonnaroo, and that has changed, much to my dismay.
There are dozens of music boards out there that share your general sentiment about Bonnaroo. Part of the reason this board was developed was so that people could come here to escape that negativity. I realize you do not understand this, b/c you are new to inforoo and bonnaroo, but if you could have seen this board pre-Bonnaroo 2005 you'd be shocked at how different it was back then.
It's not that I fault you for having a bad time, but I think you truly do not understand how positive this board once was, and how that vibe has all but deteriorated this week.
Peace to you. I hope you can can come away with positive experiences in all of your life's adventures, whether they be fundamentally positive or negative in nature.
I did have a positivie experience overall. You obviously haven't read my posts before this thread. I simply stated why I probably wouldn't go back next year.
I hardly think posts such as the ones I have made have changed these boards. Since when did expressing disappointment and suggestions for change become a bad thing?
Since I joined, I have noticed many, many bad vibes from posters on these boards on various topics. How dare you suggest it's people like me that have changed these sacred boards since we all got back. That's just stupid.
Sorry to ruin your time on these boards. Please...get back to your positivity by bashing other people.
Post by strumntheguitar on Jun 24, 2007 14:14:10 GMT -5
gougeaway said:
This will be my last post, but I do want to say that the vibe of this board has been changed specifically by posts such as yours. It's not that you aren't entitled to your opinion, because you are. I just think you should understand that this board was NEVER like this before you and others started going on and on about your bad time. This used to be the safehaven for the hardcore Bonnaroovians to come and discuss all that which was positive about Bonnaroo, and that has changed, much to my dismay.
There are dozens of music boards out there that share your general sentiment about Bonnaroo. Part of the reason this board was developed was so that people could come here to escape that negativity. I realize you do not understand this, b/c you are new to inforoo and bonnaroo, but if you could have seen this board pre-Bonnaroo 2005 you'd be shocked at how different it was back then.
It's not that I fault you for having a bad time, but I think you truly do not understand how positive this board once was, and how that vibe has all but deteriorated this week.
Peace to you. I hope you can can come away with positive experiences in all of your life's adventures, whether they be fundamentally positive or negative in nature.
Yeah, I bet this board was really positive before Bonnaroo happened. All those people that were not looking forward to going to Bonnaroo on this forum never voiced their opinion...
I'm sorry, I've just been reading this argument for a while and at one point tried to voice a neutral opinion to try and get the arguing to stop, but when seeing you single out someone and saying they are causing the vibes of an entire forum to turn negative is outrageous and downright blasphemous. Everybody changed the vibes of this forum after Bonnaroo happened. The vibe went from "I'm so excited to go to Roo" to "I just got back from Roo and this is how I felt about it"
I really hope you keep your word and don't post again on this issue. Not just you, either. Everyone pretty much, cause it's real old real fast and there's nothing positive coming from it at all.
Post by mindexpansi0n on Jun 24, 2007 14:19:42 GMT -5
Yeah... the vibes have come to a crashing low here - I think it is time for me to take a break until whatever is going on has passed. I'm glad most of us will return next year, I had a great time with those of you who I met, and I hope to meet the rest of you wonderful people next year - keep it positive guys and I'm sure I'll be around. Later Inforoosters!
oleander124 said:
gougeaway said:
First of all, I never said your opinion doesn't matter. If I said this please, point it out.
Well, to tell someone what they said is wrong is basically telling them what they said doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to you that others have said the vibe FOR THEM changed, does it? Probably not.
I never said the vibe changed. I said I understood the vibe of Bonnaroo had changed. There is a difference. Also, read the last paragraph I wrote in my post before this one.
I agree, I didn't experience what you did. I experienced what I did. It doesn't really matter to YOU that my experience was a grand adventure and one of the best times of my life. You are determined to point out that you and 20 other people had a bad time and believe that this is reality. Instead of reading and reacting to the countless other posts who have been before and say that their experience was positive, you'd rather only believe the negative veiwpoints.
I am glad you had a nice time. I never said I didn't feel that way. I think you (and many others) are trying to get onto the people that didn't have a good time and are ruining your post-Roo glow.
I always said that I had a good time, but there are things that will keep me from going back. Perhaps you should read all of my posts before you attack me with WRONG information.
ps--how is the fact that countless other people feel the same way I do NOT reality?
I'd like to say to Oleander, Meg, Brewski and whoever else had unfortunate experiences during Roo that I'm sorry that it happened and glad that it didn't completely ruin your trip.
For those of you who complaining about this thread and others talking about bad experiences, here's some real simple advice.
Don't read the thread
Just like people who don't like Tool didn't have to go to their show and people who don't like something on TV can change the channel, you're not forced to partake in something that you don't want to.
This is America, where you have the right to your opinion... unless it's to say anything bad about Bonnaroo, then you have destroyed years of good vibes built up by voicing your opinion and hopefully trying to make things better for future Bonnaroos.
I'd like to thank Gouge for apparently being the voice of both Inforoo and Bonnaroo. Rather than let people vent about legitimate concerns such as towing issues and injuries among others, you feel the need to inject your opinion and talk down to others (saying that you are wrong to Oleander is an example). Getting bad medical treatment or having bad neighbors or getting ripped off by a tow service - I'm sure that it was the all the work of bad "vibes"
As much as some think Bonnaroo cures cancer, solves war and is Christmas, Easter and Hanukkah all rolled into one, it isn't perfect. I'm a Bonnaroo veteran, your theory about vibes would be funny if you didn't believe so much in it - or maybe that makes it funnier. Did these people not seize upon enough "positive vibes" or did they emit too many negative ones? From looking at their posts, these people seem like nice enough people but I guess since they dare say a bad word about Bonnaroo, it's their own fault and they deserved it.
I hope you don't post on this again as well, as your negative "vibes" towards anyone who dares say anything other than heaping praise upon the Roo is doing what you were whining about earlier - how this site has changed for the worse over the years due to bad attitudes.
Post by canexplain on Jun 24, 2007 14:44:37 GMT -5
just want to add a little to this .... we were so sick from something at waka, like the bonnna flu, and it was hot as hell at the roo, and it was dusty like the desert ..... well guess what .... you have to expect that at any fest, and esp at the roo .... get over it gang .... day in a life ..... we had a great time ... and next year we are thinking of going to europe for the fests, but who knows ..... bonnaroo is the best fest in the US right now ... so if you didnt have a great time , well then dont come back ... peace ... cr**** oh plus, we i think, are the only people that made the paper, us and sting lol, so that was pretty cool .... music ......
I love how if anyone makes a comment about someone else's negative experience, they're instantly "coming down" on them. Nobody's telling you guys what you can or can't say. If folks are going to complain incessantly, it's only fair that we can comment on these complaints that have flooded the board since our return. Plus, I really don't feel like expressing an opinion on another opinion is really making things worse. Sure we could just let everyone who had a miserable time go on without acknowledging them, but that wouldn't be any fun, eh? As some of you have sarcastically commented on -- it's INFOroo and built upon discussion.
Edit: RON! It was great to finally meet Deb and yourself!
Ok, so I only scanned some of the comments on this thread, some are negitive, and some are positive. Personally, this was my 3rd Roo (04', 05', and 07'), and I think that the movie Dirty Dancing basically says it all for me..."I had the time of my life, and I never felt this way before...". ;D
Post by randallpinkfloyd on Jun 24, 2007 15:30:39 GMT -5
everyone needs to just stop getting all worked up!
people who had a bad time naturally want to express the extent of how upset they are, which is understandable. we dont really need to whine about the whiners, it stays on inforoo for a reason, so people will come here to see the good the bad and the ugly and be more readily informed/prepared. and yes, if there is a thread with nothing but complaining, im sorry to say that no moderator will lock it so either have some compassion or go to another thread.
instead of trying to kill the complaining, perhaps you should commit to the purpose of assuming the reader is a newcomer and putting more weight on their pros side!
people who had a good time, were all glad you did! i encountered a couple really big problems imo, but i loved every minute of the good times which made it worth it for me many times over. but whats the purpose of trying to kill the accounts of people who didnt have such a good time? a wise person would come to inforoo to weigh out the pros and cons. naturally, some cons for one person weigh ALOT more than for others. there are easily tons of people who love the idea of bonnaroo , but after reading some info arent up for spending the money, time, and energy into purchasing tickets, preparing and traveling. but what if inforoo had no complaints threads? newcomers would just go and not realize the problems possibly encountered and they would come back home afterward to be walking roo haters, am i right??
I'd like to say to Oleander, Meg, Brewski and whoever else had unfortunate experiences during Roo that I'm sorry that it happened and glad that it didn't completely ruin your trip.
Thanks - nothing could completely ever ruin Bonnaroo for me - after all - it is Bonnaroo!
I just have a question for those who thought that the vibe was so bad this year, I hope it doesn't come off as anything other than just a question. How many Bonnaroos have you been to? I just ask this because I know that the lot scene was there since my first one in 2003, and every year I've encountered some less than savory characters. I am not trying to discount what anyone felt, just curious to see if people are basing this off of having been once or twice before or if people think it's a steady decline that has culminated in this year.
Personally, I thought that this year was more like 03-05 as far as the vibe was concerned than it was last year, where I felt that it had changed for the worse. I still had a great time last year, don't get me wrong, I just wasn't as thrilled with the overall vibe. It might be the shows I chose to go to this year, but it seemed that every show I went to had a crowd who was really into the music and the energy was amazing top to bottom. I had the best time I've had in my 5 Bonnaroos this year and I am sad to hear some people didn't enjoy themselves.
^^^ last year was our first and was amazing for us - everyone was so friendly - I was never worried about anyone coming into our camp and stealing stuff. The security and staff we encountered were very friendly and extrememly knowledgabl and helpful when we needed it.
This year - it was just not like that for us - but as I said before - it was still Bonnaroo and an amazing experience overall
Post by easymorningrebel on Jun 24, 2007 18:30:22 GMT -5
the vibes this year were wicked, saw them play in the other tent, no wait a second, that's not right...all this talk about vibes has me confused. where did they play again?
you guys are all a bunch of silly bastards, hope you all had a great and memorable time and that you don't get your vibes in a bunch.
"vibes" you guys talk like that's a real thing, it's just like internet karma...
as far as vibes go, from what I've experienced, rough neighbors can ruin it all. you wake up next to people that make you feel uncomfortable or uneasy, and it carries you through the day, and can be hard to shake off. I've had neighbors in past roo's that weren't even willing to acknowledge a hi or introduce themselves, which was a huge shock to my system compared to what people had buffed me up for months to expect.
So, talking about "vibes" I don't think really translates well evaluatively. I thought in '05 I was surrounded by jerks, but really, it was just the area I was in in BFE, surrounded by college kids that didn't encourage the community aspect. Elsewhere, in Centeroo and the like, that feeling faded as I got more comfortable and tried to figure out how to handle the heat.
So I can understand the haze that Oleander is in. I wouldn't want to ruin Gouge's good time, and we didn't, we all played along no matter how bad our particular situation was. We all still got through the weekend, we're all here to tell about our (mis)adventures.
This is a message board, for communicating information and ideas. Many people have posted their experiences, good and bad, and felt at least some refuge in that maybe one other person had the same problem they did. It's a way of relating, a way of venting, a way of seeking more information. If any of that is annoying you, please ask yourself why you are on a message board, insted of retreating to your own microcosm to bask in the afterglow (of the rooflu).
We treat mishaps like sinking ships and I know that I don't want to be out to drift Well I can see it in your eyes like I taste your lips and They both tell me that we're better than this
Post by layingblames on Jun 24, 2007 18:47:59 GMT -5
wow. this thread is the most divisive i think i have seen.
while my post-count may be low, i have done plenty of lurking on here over the years. more than anything, i think me and the rest of the so-called whiners are trying to make the experience better for all the "we-love-roo-no-matter-what" attendees.
i had a GREAT time this year - but if you can realistically say that there were no logistical/communication problems this year that are worse than years past, i'm glad that you had a great experience and were not subjected to some of the headaches i had.
the purpose of my whiney-thread, for which i have been smited plenty, is to make the experience next year better by bringing up concerns to management organizations. if you aren't interested in doing the same, had a great experience, and/or find it to be a downer or whiney, just don't read it.
smite away. but i'm just trying to help make bonnaroo 08 better.
I was just curious when I asked that question. I understand where you're coming from as far as being surrounded by bad neighbors Indigo. Well not necessarily bad, but unfriendly as I found a lot of people around me to be in 2006.
And Meg, I am glad you had a great overall experience even if it was lacking in some areas. Some of the problems could definitely be chalked up to the spot you were placed, as Indigo said, bad neighbors can ruin a weekend. I hope the lineup is good enough for you to give it another chance next year though, you seem like the type of person I'd hope to be camped next to.
And karma for you layingblames, I hope you don't get smited for your opinion.
I agree with gouge as far as it is what you make of it, but there are some things that can definitely put a damper on the weekend, especially an unhelpful med staff when you have an injury.