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While dusting off CD's this evening, I came across my Woodstock 99 set. As a past concert participant of this and the last few Bonnaroo's it got me thinking of the constant gripes on the forum boards about headliner bands. It seems every year there is griping that they need to add one more headliner to make the Bonnaroo event really great. Other always retort that Bonnaroo is about the non-headliners and I agree. The question I do have is, does anyone else agree that Woodstock was the last of the three day festival events to feature a list of headliners that 12 years later most festivals would love to have? Yes there were only 40 or so bands, but a large portion of them in 1's and 2's have gone on and played Bonnaroo and all as headliners. Despite the bad taste left on how the concert was run, and how media made it out, I for one miss the all big name concerts of old...anyone else have thoughts on this?
Bush...Limp Bizquit.. Chili Peppers...Korn.... DMX... Aerosuck. I suggest you stop huffing paint.
The String Cheese Incident, George Clinton, The Roots, moe., James Brown, Los Lobos, Mickey Hart, Guster, Rage Against The Machine, DMB, Willie Nelson, etc.
I don't really agree with either statement though.
Post by Whoreshack on Mar 15, 2011 11:21:41 GMT -5
Creed, Collective Soul, Sugar Ray.... Sheryl, Alanis, Jewel... maybe Hammett & Styles can get Space Cowboy to build em a time machine back to this golden era of heavyweight line-ups. It was a flaming, lame-ass disaster from the get-go.
I guess my "I don't agree with either statement" was kind of overlooked, eh?
I mean, it was a fire and rape fest.
Still, there were a few good sets. All I'm saying is that it wasn't all bad.
I don't really think either side of this argument is really painting it for what it was.
Would I attend Woodstock 99 given the chance? No way.
But hell, I wouldn't attend Bonnaroo if people didn't really bring it during their sets. It's a smoggy, sticky, overpriced cluster fuck of bros and music snobs that is severely lacking in the nurturing neighborly love of other summer festivals. Then My Morning Jacket plays a 4+ hour set and I suddenly don't give a fuck about any of that stuff anymore, yah know?
Hate the fest, but don't tell the man he's huffing paint because he recognizes some cool shit went down there.
Also, just because shitty people play a festival doesn't mean the festival is ruined. I'm gonna have a good time watching Cake, The Flaming Lips, and Jimmie Vaughan on the first day of Memphis in May, and I'm not gonna let Kesha, B.o.B., and Everclear stop me from having that good time. I'm also not going to let Lil Wayne ruin Dr. John, Primus, and the Buffalo Springfield for me.
But clearly I must love Creed and Sugar Ray because I enjoyed Rage Against The Machine.
Post by Whoreshack on Mar 15, 2011 12:09:45 GMT -5
some good stuff went down, yes, but it was certainly not the last of the three day fests to feature a great bunch of headliners... anyways, what are we arguing about 1999 for? MMJ 2011!!
some good stuff went down, yes, but it was certainly not the last of the three day fests to feature a great bunch of headliners... anyways, what are we arguing about 1999 for? MMJ 2011!!
1. I never said it was. In fact, I made a point to say that I didn't agree with that statement.
Creed, Collective Soul, Sugar Ray.... Sheryl, Alanis, Jewel... maybe Hammett & Styles can get Space Cowboy to build em a time machine back to this golden era of heavyweight line-ups. It was a flaming, lame-ass disaster from the get-go.
So, me keeping score made you think that I appreciated Woodstock 99? Not really bud. A good friend's brother went, and talked about it like it was the worst experience of his life. The trash, the toilets, the concession prices, and the general misorganization aside, he said it was hot as hell, and there were far too many people there.
So, me keeping score made you think that I appreciated Woodstock 99? Not really bud. A good friend's brother went, and talked about it like it was the worst experience of his life. The trash, the toilets, the concession prices, and the general misorganization aside, he said it was hot as hell, and there were far too many people there.
Not to mention the violence, fires, and multitude of gang rapes that took place in full view of the stage.
Metallica, Dave Matthews, Elvis Costello, The String Cheese Incident, and James Brown all went on to play the Roo. For all the bands you listed you didn't like, look at the rumor list before the lineup was released, RHCP were one of the top hopefuls from board members. All I'm saying is Woodstock 99 was filled with an overload of mainstream name bands. Whether you like or dislike the majority of them is irrelevant. The question still remains, will that be the last of the festivals that feature a lineup of mainstream name bands?
..and to JHammitt, I'm sure you could talk to people who went to Bonnaroo who said the same thing. Hot, overcrowded, long lines (Can we really say it was nice and breezy at Bonnaroo this last year? No it was hot!) The festivals are what we make of them. You either are a buzzkill or there to enjoy the weekend. Sure Woodstock ended on a sour note with the fires, but that does not take away from the experience the rest of the time there.
Post by problem dog on Mar 15, 2011 20:24:52 GMT -5
You can't discuss Woodstock '99 without bringing up the fires, the violence, the gangrape. That's what it's going to always be remembered for. It is incredibly stupid to say that "festivals are what we make them" and suggest that the environment of Woodstock 99 is no different than Bonnaroo or any other current festival. It wasn't just people whining about the heat in '99, there are well-documented conditions that many people blame for the environment that ensued. The artists that played it even understand that it got out of hand. The music is now just a footnote to the crap that went down in the crowd.
Yes, that lineup had more bigger names than festivals like Bonnaroo or Lolla do today. But the capacity at Woodstock was like 200,000. And yes, a lot of those bands went on to play Bonnaroo, but some of the big draws in '99 were godawful and the undercard was loaded with terrible alt-rock bands that are now more likely to pop up in a punchline than on a festival lineup these days.
Post by Whoreshack on Mar 15, 2011 20:58:47 GMT -5
Arson & rape aside, the line-up was not from some awe-inducing, golden age. Chili Peps & Aerosmith don't send shivers anymore. There's dust on the CDs for a good reason.
Metallica, Dave Matthews, Elvis Costello, The String Cheese Incident, and James Brown all went on to play the Roo. For all the bands you listed you didn't like, look at the rumor list before the lineup was released, RHCP were one of the top hopefuls from board members. All I'm saying is Woodstock 99 was filled with an overload of mainstream name bands. Whether you like or dislike the majority of them is irrelevant. The question still remains, will that be the last of the festivals that feature a lineup of mainstream name bands?
..and to JHammitt, I'm sure you could talk to people who went to Bonnaroo who said the same thing. Hot, overcrowded, long lines (Can we really say it was nice and breezy at Bonnaroo this last year? No it was hot!) The festivals are what we make of them. You either are a buzzkill or there to enjoy the weekend. Sure Woodstock ended on a sour note with the fires, but that does not take away from the experience the rest of the time there.
Sorry buddy, the most you're going to get from me is a "the lineup didn't TOTALLY suck."
I don't really think the rapes and fires can be compared to Bonnaroo. I'll be there first to admit that Bonnaroo is a pretty terrible environment with the heat and the bros and the high prices, but come on man.
As far as lineup goes, what part of Buffalo Springfield and Dr. John and the Original Meters do you not understand? Every good part about the Woodstock 99 lineup has had its way with Bonnaroo time and time again.
And I doubt those 45-minute performances topped what bands like MMJ, Ween, The Black Keys, and other Roo regulars do at Bonnaroo every year.
