Mafia 36 ***Lookin fo playaz***

The timeframe in question, as far as this game is concerned, plays out on Page 5 of this game

In the interest of making a timeline:

I just now made a screenshot supporting my post above quoting Bek's last login time. (There are so many tabs open to partially obscure publicly posting my full name, but since each and every player involved is my Facebook friend, you can be assured that this screenshot is my own because of the partial overlap between my Twitter tab and my actual name.) Had I known Bek would delete her post, I would have grabbed a screenshot of that at the time as well.


Here's Bek's most recent posts list, screenshot grabbed in Central time today. Notice her most recent post listed is the evening after she died. Her final, visible post:

Notice that she logged in again at 2:14pm (Central) the following afternoon. That is around the time the post in question was written.

In that post, she quoted the following NBF vote & quoted herself:



I saw Bek's post around the time I was in the thread to make this post:

(I also want to note that my post after this was the post outlining what might have happened had Bek been Inspector. I don't think this post is 100% accurate in hindsight, but I do believe it is closer to the truth than what I'm seeing anywhere else here.)

I know it was up for at least the hour between that login and when I posted. NoD posted about an hour after I did - two hours after Bek had her last login.
Also curious is a player who posted within an hour of that login on both sides:




I know I saw that post, NBF admits she saw it as well.
Recent posts prove that NoAge was here & posting on Inforoo at the same time that this post was up, but not deleted. I think this is important, because if he is Mafia it speaks to their confidence that they killed the actual Inspector. This is no small coincidence, given that it was NoAge who subsequently made a competing Inspector claim.

Mike D was online shortly before Bek made this post. I think it is possible that he saw it, as well. Am I allowed to ask, Mike D, whether you directly requested that Bek remove this post?


Bacon was here, posting, in the same timeframe the post was up - this post is between Bek's login & the post I made when I was in the thread to see her since-deleted post.

The person to post after me in the thread, about an hour later, was nodepression.

This post was about an hour after I saw the post - two hours after Bek's login. It is possible that he saw this, too.

Now... everyone's willing to believe that NoAge asked about Higgi because he had been quiet. Isn't it fair to say that Kel was equally quiet as Higgi? The same reasoning - asking about the quiet one - works on either side of the story.

Now, if Bek logged in and responded at the time that she did, here are a list of players who were proven to be on Inforoo at the time. These are the players who could have possibly/plausibly have seen Bek's post:
Myself; by my admission and post time above.
NBF; by her own admission.
NoAge; online here within both an hour before AND after Bek made the deleted post.
Mike D?; posted shortly before Bek logged in to make the deleted post, possibly requested deletion of the post (confirmation pending).
Bacon; was online while the post was up.
NoD; posted in this thread two hours after Bek logged in, the first of the players who might not have been online before the post was deleted.

I can't rely on other player's logins after the passage of time, but here are times for posts by each of the other players not yet mentioned (in chronological order) following Bek's login/posting time that day:


SFA here about seven hours later - and this appears to be a day the power was out in his neck of the woods.

LLL's next post was shortly before 11am (again, Central) the following day.

Higgi did not post until noon the following day.

Kel was not here for days afterwards. When she did come, she implied I'm suspicious for riding her for being quiet - the exact same thing Bek did in her deleted post.


NBF & I admit to having seen the post.
NoAge and Bacon were online to see this post as well.
It is also possible that NoD and/or Referee Mike D saw the post.

Now, if NoAge and/or Bacon saw this post... don't you think this would have given them the confidence they would have needed to believe the Inspector was dead in order to attempt a false Inspector ruse?

If NoAge was Mafia, and in cahoots with 2 of these 3 players:
Kel, Bacon, LLL
then he may have been expendable.

We could possibly have two Mafia still alive.


If you think I'm Mafia with Higgi & SFA, if you kill me it's Game Over for the Townspeople.
If you think there's something to what I'm saying, then we have two Mafia left - and they will outnumber Townspeople after the conclusion of this round. If you follow this course of action, there's still a chance the Townspeople can win this - and you'll have the chance to kill me off next round for the loss if you see fit.
I think it is also worth noting that two of these players - Bacon & Kel - are voting together against me.

I want you all to think about this when you're voting.
The stakes are as high as they'll ever be.

Third, the rest of your post seems to be directed at everyone. Why are you and I not included in this list as people who possibly could have been mafia in cahoots with noage? I know that I wasn't, but I don't know that anybody else knows that, except for whoever's left of the mafia. And if you, noage, and one of those other people were mafia, and we don't kill you or that other person, then the townspeople still lose.

As to the first point, I'm just trying to preemptively deter the inevitable allegation that I'm in cahoots with someone - because if I listen to certain other players, I'm apparently Mafia along with SFA, Higgi, AND you despite the mathematical impossibility of it.

As to your second point:

It's not like I didn't already tell you this.


I'm speaking to a general audience, but I only have two particular players in mind in specific as an audience.
I would think that if the whacked-and-innocent Bek chimed in to encourage you, that you were probably on the right track - and therefore not Mafia. And I know that I'm not.
I'm kind of astonished that you say I could be in cahoots with NoAge, given the effort I've put into discrediting his claims which I believe to be false. If I were Mafia putting on a false Inspector ruse, do you think I'd respond by playing it off as a Townsperson prosecuting the false Inspector ruse? C'mon. Both the deliberation and the voting record should thoroughly discredit your line of thinking here.

Here's what I think happened:

Day One:
I make a proposal to Bek. It would have either doubled LLL's voting power, or reduced the likelihood of LLL dying at the end of the day. Bek refuses.
Bek called out players stacking votes; in this post she says she further suspects a quiet player, and also that a player she suspects to be Mafia is voting for LLL. Kelaroo fits both criteria.
Bek lingers and has the last vote in the runoff. That itself is a potential reason to consider when Mafia chooses a whack victim.

Bek cast two votes during Day One...


...and only one of them was in super-sized bold letters!

Night One:
Bek is whacked & the Inspector gets a guess. If she hinted at suspecting as Mafia a quiet player who voted for LLL, I think it logically follows that she probably would have asked about Kel.
If the Mafia had suspicions about Bek at this point, I believe they would have arisen from her LLL vote.

Day Two:
Bek responds in the game to your post for Kel.
It is not as if Bek did not know this is against the rules - the rule against this is named for her.
Bek knew she was going out on a limb here, and I don't think she would have went out on a limb if she wasn't dead-certain (pardon the pun) about what she was saying/doing.
The rule which bears Bek's name? That was written post-game after a Mafia game in which she was Inspector steering people towards a Mafia identity something like fifteen games ago. Just sayin'.

Also in Day Two, NoAge made his claim. The same NoAge who plausibly saw Bek's post. I can imagine that, if voting for LLL made Mafia suspicious that Bek was Inspector, calling out Kel from the dead made them know that Bek was Inspector. If our Mafia is LLL/Kel/NoAge, that's a problem solved.

I find it perhaps too strange to be coincidence that NoAge called out Higgi & SFA - the voting partners of his alleged associates. (Note that I'm saying "alleged," although I believe that this combination is our most likely possibility.) If two of three Mafia were locked into voting arrangements, they just might see martyring one of their own to kill two voting partners to be in their best interest. Especially since they would have felt fairly certain that Bek was Inspector.

Furthermore, if our Mafia are indeed LLL, Kel & NoAge... who else would they have had to suspect?
Bacon & SFA put LLL into the first runoff - and SFA was later targeted in Day Three voting.
Kel only had received a vote from Higgi the first round, and it was Higgi whom was targeted in Day Two voting.
NoAge received no votes - nothing for them to go on there.
It looks to me like a Mafia that knows their enemies and obstacles, and is fairly efficient at eliminating them.
They left Bacon alone because he saved LLL's ass, intentionally or not... and they didn't bother going after me in Night Two because I was too busy barking up the wrong Bacon tree. (Oh man, now I want a bacon tree... mmm....)

Anyway, that is my interpretation of where we are in this game.

By my count, we have five players: three Townspeople & two Mafia.

Does anyone want to bet me a beer on whether Kel & LLL vote the same way?

Day One initial:


Day One runoff:

(Note: this is the vote where Bek said she found a quiet LLL voter suspicious.)

Day Two initial:

Worth noting: NoAge cast a vote for Kel's traditional voting partner. NBF cast the vote to which Bek made her posthumous reply.

Day Two runoff:

All three of them are voting the same way... in lockstep?

Day Three initial:


Add to this the deciding vote, which (ATTN: REF) was never properly put into finalized tally form before voting closed:



I think we would be hard-pressed to find a different pair of players casting the same votes with such a high frequency as LLL & Kel.

In response to Kdogg - "Mike D was online shortly before Bek made this post. I think it is possible that he saw it, as well. Am I allowed to ask, Mike D, whether you directly requested that Bek remove this post?"

For the record, Yes I did see and read Bec's post in question. I have noticed several edits and/or deletions throughout my Mafia playing career by several players. This game seems to have many more than usual, but I have not counted to know for sure. There is not a specific rule for/against this. I have not asked any players to delete or edit any of their posts. Although I would discourage editing/deleting posts (other than for clarification or clearly marking what was edited/added) I realize that there is no clear way to know for sure what was posted originally.

It was to my understanding that the post was edited/deleted prior to her death.

EDIT # 1 - What part of that rule says anything about editing/deleting a post, what am I missing?

Looking back, if you wanna bring up an issue with her about this rule it should be on this:


EDIT #2: Please disregard this, I looked at the wrong death scene, that post by Bek was still before she died.

I can get over the fact that non-players were edited our of the post count. But can we see a words-per-post count? kdogg, I'm betting on you.

I'm having a lot of trouble coming to a decision on this. When is voting set to close by?

kdogg >> LLL

NBF >>> kdogg

I think we can count this as a vote and end this game

Tally

Kdogg - 4
LLL - 1

Votes

Kel >> Kdogg
Bacon >> Kdogg
Kdogg >> LLL
NBF >> Kdogg
LLL >> Kdogg

Left to vote


As usual, I will give players a chance to discuss since all votes are in. If I see no vote changes or discussion in a few hours day four will end/night four begins.

I can tell you that it took me that long to make up my mind, and I have no intention of changing it now.