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Lol. Wrong. Best-selling artist of the last decade and arguably the biggest name in the history of hip-hop music. He's bigger than Stevie or Tom Petty
bigger doesn't necessarily make you a legend. legends stand the test of time. eminem may have been involved in music for nearly 20 years i believe but he's really only been huge for like a little more than half of that. talk to me in like 15-20 years and we'll see if eminem has hit legendary status yet.
Lol. Wrong. Best-selling artist of the last decade and arguably the biggest name in the history of hip-hop music. He's bigger than Stevie or Tom Petty
bigger doesn't necessarily make you a legend. legends stand the test of time. eminem may have been involved in music for nearly 20 years i believe but he's really only been huge for like a little more than half of that. talk to me in like 15-20 years and we'll see if eminem has hit legendary status yet.
Eminem did for hip hop what Harry Potter did for reading. Like him or not the guy is a worldwide icon who continues to break records with his success.
This is coming from someone who doesn't think he's made a good record since Marshall Mathers LP.
There is a big difference between a "legend" and selling a lot of records. Selling tons of records in no way makes you a legend nor do you have to sell tons of records to be a legend.
I swear I remember hearing/reading something that said Black Sabbath were originally supposed to HL on Friday. I'm almost 99% positive. I'll try to find this for you all.
I swear I remember hearing/reading something that said Black Sabbath were originally supposed to HL on Friday. I'm almost 99% positive. I'll try to find this for you all.
Getting a little carried away there, Alberto. I think both Jay-Z and Kanye West are bigger names than Eminem. I'm convinced that a large part of the reason he sold so many records is because he was a talented, white rapper. And I'm sure the fact that he was so controversial and relied so heavily on shock value didn't hurt either. A HUGE part of his fanbase at the height of his popularity was middle-class, middle-school, white, suburban kids who liked him because of his dirty sense of humor. I know because I was one of them. Point is that, to me, Jay-Z and Kanye are bigger names amongst mature, even casual music fans.
And, as others have pointed out, you have to stand the test of time to go down as a legend. You can already sense that the importance placed on his artistic contribution is starting to wane (or at least I can), as is the case with many artists who were as gimmicky in their prime as Em. I feel very confident in stating that he won't go down as nearly as legendary as Stevie or Tom Petty (who are both music icons).
I dislike eminem just as much as the next guy but I definatly think its true hes the biggest name in hip hop except maybe jay z. he was a big reason hip hop blew up as much as it did bc he took rap music away from black people and gave it for white people to dominate (half kidding)
It was just a matter of time before someone on here wanted to compare "Songs In The Key Of Life" to "The Slimshady LP."
to make it easier we should just do a quick breakdown of "Superwoman (Where Were You When I Needed You)" and "Kim", then compare and contrast the two:
In Stevie Wonder's "Superwoman (Where Were You When I Needed You)", we have an epic (IMO) and progressive R&B track with three distinct parts: part I in which Stevie describes the complex relationship he has with his subject matter, the Superwoman. She has aspirations and some other negative attributes Stevie wishes she would abandon, but he loves her just the same, and is willing to accept her shortcomings.
Part II is shorter, but I still consider it a part, even though really its just a bridge into Part III, its still a beautiful bridge that I think deserves its own mention.
In Part III Stevie's tone changes into what we can only call anguish. Apparently the woman he describes in part I has left him, or more specifically, left him during a time that he really needed her, a time of great pain for him. It's possible she is back now, and he is directly addressing her in his refrain of "where were you when I needed you last winter". Stevie knows its over, but the Superwoman says that she's changed. But Stevie rebuts her in perhaps the most poignant line of the song:
"Our love is at an end But you say now you have changed" But tomorrow will reflect love's past
Speaking personally, it is really difficult for me to listen to this song without getting emotionally involved. Not only does the subject matter pull at your heartstrings, but the insanely perfect melodies coupled with the very specific and personal lyrics really draw me into Stevie's mind. This track, to me, demonstrates the beauty and talent within Stevie's heart and mind, and puts him forth as an artist of the highest caliber: a true legend amongst contemporary artists.
em killed that bitch!!! haha w/ heavy metal guitars damn!! legend
Look, I love Stevie. His set at Roo may have been the happiest two hours of my entire life, to be honest. He's an indisputable legend of music, and I'd be a fool to argue that.
Eminem may not be a legend now, but he will be considered one when all is said and done. The guy pushed boundaries that a lot of other mainstream artists would have avoided like the plague. I'd give him three great albums (Slim Shady, Marshall Mathers, Enimen Show) and only one "I'd rather listen to my friend stick his d!ck in my ear than this awful album" album (Relapse), although Recovery wasn't all that good either. Eminem will be remembered as a white rapper who was one of the best freestyle battle rappers ever, with unique views on the world who put them out there with sometimes twisted songs.
But he also opened the door for Mac Miller and Asher Roth, who suck.
Legend now? No. But I think eventually people will look at Eminem in that same light they look at Nas, Jay-Z, Biggie, etc.
If they can put Lil Wayne or NIN on Which I think FF could happen too. Of course that has a slim possibility of happening but it could.
no way in hell the foos play anywhere but the mainstage unopposed. i don't like them but they are huge and would definitely headline in the event that they are there
Look, I love Stevie. His set at Roo may have been the happiest two hours of my entire life, to be honest. He's an indisputable legend of music, and I'd be a fool to argue that.
Eminem may not be a legend now, but he will be considered one when all is said and done. The guy pushed boundaries that a lot of other mainstream artists would have avoided like the plague. I'd give him three great albums (Slim Shady, Marshall Mathers, Enimen Show) and only one "I'd rather listen to my friend stick his d!ck in my ear than this awful album" album (Relapse), although Recovery wasn't all that good either. Eminem will be remembered as a white rapper who was one of the best freestyle battle rappers ever, with unique views on the world who put them out there with sometimes twisted songs.
But he also opened the door for Mac Miller and Asher Roth, who suck.
Legend now? No. But I think eventually people will look at Eminem in that same light they look at Nas, Jay-Z, Biggie, etc.
In terms of lyrical skill, Eminem is one of the top-10 (maybe top-5) MCs ever. When he's on, he can't be touched. He can absolutely devastate a verse.
That said, he for whatever reason slips into gimmick far too often. Early on it was the shock-rap nonsense about mushrooms, killing people, etc., a little later on it was ridiculous cartoon voices and foolish beefs with d-list celebrities, and lately it's his "angry all the time" voice that he uses on every track. When he drops a sick verse/song though, that's all forgotten. I just wish he was more selective/picky about his output.
For instance, Google "eminem bet awards cypher" and watch the "freestyle" (I'm sure some of this was written) cyper with Slaughterhouse, Yelawolf and Eminem (over the classic/little known beat from East Flatbush Projects' "Tried by 12"). Everyone is pretty great, but then Em comes on at the end and lyrically destroys the whole thing. If he was on point like this all the time, and didn't slip into cartoon schtick too often (and stopped pandering to the lowest common denominator), there'd be no argument.
Also, in hindsight, Relapse > Recovery. Yeah, I said it.
I agree that Relapse is better than Recovery, even his worst album though, Encore had some gems on it, i.e. ”Never Enough”, ”Spend Some Time”
Also, are you referring to the BET Cypher Freestyle he did with Joe Budden and Mos Def? Or did he do another one with Yelawolf and Slaughterhouse?
For instance, Google "eminem bet awards cypher" and watch the "freestyle" (I'm sure some of this was written) cyper with Slaughterhouse, Yelawolf and Eminem (over the classic/little known beat from East Flatbush Projects' "Tried by 12").
No need, I actually posted it here a while back saying that's all I wanted. I love Buddens, and him, Em and Royce in any form of scaled back cypher is my ideal kind of hip-hop. But you're right, you realize that even a guy like Buddens, who by my count is a better lyricist than 99% of rappers today and probably the top story rapper alive right now, is a notch below Em once he just gets down to what he does best.
Look, I love Stevie. His set at Roo may have been the happiest two hours of my entire life, to be honest. He's an indisputable legend of music, and I'd be a fool to argue that.
Eminem may not be a legend now, but he will be considered one when all is said and done. The guy pushed boundaries that a lot of other mainstream artists would have avoided like the plague. I'd give him three great albums (Slim Shady, Marshall Mathers, Enimen Show) and only one "I'd rather listen to my friend stick his d!ck in my ear than this awful album" album (Relapse), although Recovery wasn't all that good either. Eminem will be remembered as a white rapper who was one of the best freestyle battle rappers ever, with unique views on the world who put them out there with sometimes twisted songs.
But he also opened the door for Mac Miller and Asher Roth, who suck.
Legend now? No. But I think eventually people will look at Eminem in that same light they look at Nas, Jay-Z, Biggie, etc.
In terms of lyrical skill, Eminem is one of the top-10 (maybe top-5) MCs ever. When he's on, he can't be touched. He can absolutely devastate a verse.
That said, he for whatever reason slips into gimmick far too often. Early on it was the shock-rap nonsense about mushrooms, killing people, etc., a little later on it was ridiculous cartoon voices and foolish beefs with d-list celebrities, and lately it's his "angry all the time" voice that he uses on every track. When he drops a sick verse/song though, that's all forgotten. I just wish he was more selective/picky about his output.
For instance, Google "eminem bet awards cypher" and watch the "freestyle" (I'm sure some of this was written) cyper with Slaughterhouse, Yelawolf and Eminem (over the classic/little known beat from East Flatbush Projects' "Tried by 12"). Everyone is pretty great, but then Em comes on at the end and lyrically destroys the whole thing. If he was on point like this all the time, and didn't slip into cartoon schtick too often (and stopped pandering to the lowest common denominator), there'd be no argument.
Also, in hindsight, Relapse > Recovery. Yeah, I said it.
I agree with everything you both said except for this. I don't think Recovery is anything special but it shits on Relapse IMO. Eminem will be a legend when we look back on his career.
He is able to rap about his life and tie it all together in one song and it seems like every song is a different story or a different approach to a moment in his life. Although his set disappointed me last summer, he was the reason I bought the ticket.
Infinite > The Eminem Show > Slim Shady LP > ML LP > Recovery > Encore > Relapse
Post by spaceghost on Jan 19, 2012 10:22:43 GMT -5
Like everybody else has said, looking back 20 years from now Eminem will without a doubt be seen as a legend. Most of the people in this thread aren't acknowledging the tremendous impact he had on not just rap but popular music in general at the turn of the century.
This is the first message board I've ever been on, the only reason I joined is because I love Bonnaroo and wanted to read and talk about it all year long.
There is a big difference between a "legend" and selling a lot of records. Selling tons of records in no way makes you a legend nor do you have to sell tons of records to be a legend.
So then what is your definition of a legend, or how do you become a legend?
There is a big difference between a "legend" and selling a lot of records. Selling tons of records in no way makes you a legend nor do you have to sell tons of records to be a legend.
So then what is your definition of a legend, or how do you become a legend?