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Roo #5 for me, started in 2007 and only skipped one since then. Phenomenal lineup and some truly amazing sets this year, but this is probably my last Roo.
Its not the lineup, the heat, the location, or the festival goers. I simply feel like the organizers have lost their way with basic festival execution.
Lines - The lines getting into Centeroo were ridiculous on Friday afternoon. They've sold this festival out before, but I do not remember the lines being that long EVER! I can't blame the wristbands for this one either, it can only be blamed on the patdowns. We need more Centeroo entrances and more workers!
Bathrooms - The port-a-pots are getting worse. I thought last year's situation was bad, 2011 was horrible. The awnings over the units was a big part of the problem. I'd rather have more stations and could care less how hot they are. The only positive I have on this subject was the addition of the men's urinals. That being said, the urinals should be in every bathroom area, and labeled better.
Shade - There must be more shade provided. I thought the organizers bought some of the property so they could put more infrastructure on it. hey must be spending their money on VIP because there is no new permanent infrastructure being added.
Audio - The sound coming off the What stage during Arcade Fire and MMJ was phenomenal, so why was it turned down so low during The Black Keys. Buffalo Springfeld was barely audible and I actually left the set. Mumford and Sons would have been way better with some VOLUME!
Dust - In Roos past I distinctly remember the organizers spraying the dusty walkways with water cannons to minimize the dust. Never saw a single one all weekend long.
Scheduling - There will always be conflicts, so I cannot complain about a festival getting too many bands I want to see. But whose bright idea was it to schedule 3 virtually unopposed acts hopping time slots between the What and Where tent (on Friday and Saturday)? I guess this happens when you commit to too many "headliners". The crowds pushing back and forth between these stages were awful on Friday and Saturday night.
Giving up on Roo is like breaking up with a girlfriend. You keep wanting it to work out and have so many good memories of the past, but you know it is just time to move on. Next year I will try Wanee, Hangout, or Jazzfest unless there are serious improvements.
Roo #5 for me, started in 2007 and only skipped one since then. Phenomenal lineup and some truly amazing sets this year, but this is probably my last Roo.
Its not the lineup, the heat, the location, or the festival goers. I simply feel like the organizers have lost their way with basic festival execution.
Lines - The lines getting into Centeroo were ridiculous on Friday afternoon. They've sold this festival out before, but I do not remember the lines being that long EVER! I can't blame the wristbands for this one either, it can only be blamed on the patdowns. We need more Centeroo entrances and more workers!
Bathrooms - The port-a-pots are getting worse. I thought last year's situation was bad, 2011 was horrible. The awnings over the units was a big part of the problem. I'd rather have more stations and could care less how hot they are. The only positive I have on this subject was the addition of the men's urinals. That being said, the urinals should be in every bathroom area, and labeled better.
Shade - There must be more shade provided. I thought the organizers bought some of the property so they could put more infrastructure on it. hey must be spending their money on VIP because there is no new permanent infrastructure being added.
Audio - The sound coming off the What stage during Arcade Fire and MMJ was phenomenal, so why was it turned down so low during The Black Keys. Buffalo Springfeld was barely audible and I actually left the set. Mumford and Sons would have been way better with some VOLUME!
Dust - In Roos past I distinctly remember the organizers spraying the dusty walkways with water cannons to minimize the dust. Never saw a single one all weekend long.
Scheduling - There will always be conflicts, so I cannot complain about a festival getting too many bands I want to see. But whose bright idea was it to schedule 3 virtually unopposed acts hopping time slots between the What and Where tent (on Friday and Saturday)? I guess this happens when you commit to too many "headliners". The crowds pushing back and forth between these stages were awful on Friday and Saturday night.
Giving up on Roo is like breaking up with a girlfriend. You keep wanting it to work out and have so many good memories of the past, but you know it is just time to move on. Next year I will try Wanee, Hangout, or Jazzfest unless there are serious improvements.
This is my 2nd 'Roo and likely my last for many of the same reasons.
Lines--Lines were crazy going in on Thursday as well. I agree more entrances are needed.
Bathrooms-I went in '08 and don't remember having these problems with the bathrooms in Centeroo. There seemed to be fewer porta potties this year, I guess to make them fit under the shade, but more are definitely needed.
Shade--Definitely more need for shade. "There Tent" was nice and I didn't even know about it until Saturday.
Audio--I was EXTREMELY disappointed in the audio, especially for "Which Stage." I was so looking forward to watching Buffalo Springfield and could barely hear it. That was my first time even seeing Neil Young and was highly anticipating this set. Also, the sound at the beginning of MMJ was a mess, but they seemed to get that fixed after a minute or so.
Dust--I did see once maybe twice the water truck spraying down the roads. This was still not enough.
Scheduling--No real issues with scheduling for me besides having Eminem and Lil Wayne scheduled in the first place.
Overall, I enjoyed it this year. But I don't think I want to go through it all again with the heat and dust and long lines.
Post by Britney's_Fears on Jun 13, 2011 9:15:54 GMT -5
This is the first Bonnaroo I have not attended in 4 years. Money or rather lack of it is what made me not attend. Of course after I saw the lineup I felt better about missing it. Don't get me wrong, there were some great acts there this year but not enough of them to make it worth my while. Unless there is just an earth-shaking lineup announced again I may not return to the farm, I'm looking real close at Wanee, their lineup this year was SICK, at least from my viewpoint with my musical tastes.
Bonnaroo treats their customers like, "whatever we do or don't do they'll keep coming back." Kind of like a mean-ass alcoholic boyfriend who treats his lovestruck girlfriend like crap cause he knows she won't leave.
I thought most lines ranged from tolerable to unacceptable. Waiting for food is one thing, waiting for water because their water stations are consistently running low or broken is not ok.
The state of the bathrooms was slightly better because of the shade, that much was appreciated by me. The lines were ridiculous though. The mens urinals should have been placed outside the sheltered area to ease congestion inside. In almost every port-o-potty area there was one entrance that you could just walk in, and indeed that's what I did almost every time, essentially cutting in line.
More shade would be nice. I understand that it's a huge field and you will be in the sun a lot so this isn't that big of a gripe for me.
the audio was kind of skewed. I also left Buffalo Springfield because I couldn't hear it.
The dust levels were unacceptable. This is probably problem number one for me. I saw one road one time that looked damp. I never saw the trucks laying down water. My chest feels like I just smoked a carton of filterless cigarettes.
I agree that the scheduling was ridiculous. Everybody's tastes are different, but for me this year's schedule was defined by 2 and 3 way conflicts and long dead spaces.
Safety is something that is important to me, since it's fairly easy to look out for your fellow human being. The organizers seem to be weighing safety issues against profits. The dust was one thing. Another little thing I noticed was the way they covered the big mud river between the What area and the rest of Centeroo. This ~4-6 foot wide runoff area that turns to mud fairly quickly has been there every year I've been there, so this shouldn't have been a surprise to the organizers. The way they tried to remedy this problem this year was to place several skids on top. Skids are not made to be walkways for thousands of people! One was missing a whole plank and many of them had spaces big enough to step into. Falling through an empty spot like that and onto slick mud underneath is a sure way to cause injury.
I actually understand making people empty liquids on their way into centeroo. Whatever. The festival exists to make money and I get that. The problem is that getting water in there is a giant pain and there is nowhere inside to get ice. Luckily I only went through one check where they made me empty my water, and the dude was at least nice enough to let me keep the ice in it.
One thing that really seemed to define the organizers greed was an exit situation. On my way back to my camp in pod 1 I notice all of the cars from there moving past what was an exit in 2010 (the one right next to main medical). I asked one of the guards if it wasn't an exit anymore and he said it was for vendors and VIP only. Giving VIPs special privileges is understandable; directly inconveniencing all other patrons to do so is not. They had all of these cars jammed up driving right past what was a completely free exit out of the festival. I think they realized that this wasn't working because by the time I got to that point at about midnight they had opened it up. Prior to getting there I spent 2 hours in my car inside pod 1.
I don't think I'll be going back. Like traffic jams in metropolitan areas, I think there are just some problems that are unavoidable when you have so many people in one place, and I don't see them lowering the admission cap enough to make that much of a difference.
Ahhh, the annual "this was my last Bonnaroo" thread. Like clockwork.
The annual reply that people can't have their own opinion. Face it. bonnaroo is and has been getting worse and worse. The crowds get younger and the music is what attracts them along with the fact they think they will party like it's spring break. The security gets more intrusive every year causing lines which suck. I can go on and on but won't.
I cherish the great times I had at the Roo but their twilight has passed. All good things come to an end.
The music was fine, and people don't bother me too much as long as they aren't bumping into me trying to push their way towards the stages.
It's just, it sucks missing shows because of the heat and sun. It sucks the bathroom situation. I stayed at a hotel in Murfreesboro the entire weekend rather than camp, and would run off to Walmart or a fast food restaurant in Manchester to use bathrooms on midday breaks.
I work with the situation the best I can, but it gets tough that it ends up not being the most ideal weekend for me because of certain lousy conditions making things one grueling weekend.
Of course I say all this now, I'll probably see the lineup next spring and get all amped up to come back. Even with the lousy conditions, still come back for more punishment set to a great soundtrack.
I went to the first 8 Roos loving every second of it. I saw a slow, eventual change in the fest over that timeframe, but in 2009 it hit me like a ton of bricks, not really sure why it hit me so hard that year. I convinced myself I needed a break and took 2010 off. Had every intention of going this year, but the lineup really did not do it for me.
Watching the webcast over the weekend I was a little shocked at how many young faces were in the crowd. It occurs to me Bonnaroo might have passed me by a bit.
I hope to get back there one day, but at this point 8 straight was great. I can firmly say I saw the PEAK years of Bonnaroo and have no problem never going back if the lineup never hits me in the right way again.
The fest has changed a lot, the crowd has changed a lot, and I've gotten 10 years older.
Post by thesidebar on Jun 13, 2011 10:01:06 GMT -5
This was my first Bonnaroo. and I agree, the sound was Terrible at the which stage. OCMS wazs way too quiet and didnt get loud enough till they were almost done, and the on tap lounge was blaring! Eminem was not loud enough, but then again, I was at the Side bar outside the arch watching it. heard most of it. However, when Robert plant was on, you could not hear a thing.
I went to the first 8 Roos loving every second of it. I saw a slow, eventual change in the fest over that timeframe, but in 2009 it hit me like a ton of bricks, not really sure why it hit me so hard that year. I convinced myself I needed a break and took 2010 off. Had every intention of going this year, but the lineup really did not do it for me.
Watching the webcast over the weekend I was a little shocked at how many young faces were in the crowd. It occurs to me Bonnaroo might have passed me by a bit.
I hope to get back there one day, but at this point 8 straight was great. I can firmly say I saw the PEAK years of Bonnaroo and have no problem never going back if the lineup never hits me in the right way again.
The fest has changed a lot, the crowd has changed a lot, and I've gotten 10 years older.
There is a time and place for everything.
You know what's funny? I was thinking the same thing about the crowd, but then I remembered that I was 20, 21, 22 for Bonnaroo 2002, 2003 and 2004, so I was just as young as most of the attendees now. I had almost the same experience as you, though - went every year up until 2008, returned for 2009, and things just seemed strange.
that's kind of what I was getting at. I was 24 at the first Roo. I'm 33 now. I still love music, I still love bonnaroo. But people change as they age.
Ahhh, the annual "this was my last Bonnaroo" thread. Like clockwork.
The annual reply that people can't have their own opinion. Face it. bonnaroo is and has been getting worse and worse. The crowds get younger and the music is what attracts them along with the fact they think they will party like it's spring break. The security gets more intrusive every year causing lines which suck. I can go on and on but won't.
I cherish the great times I had at the Roo but their twilight has passed. All good things come to an end.
At what point in that reply did he say that you couldn't have an opinion?
Can I just say that I thought the searches this year were more lax than I've ever seen? People get so butthurt about getting searched but most ofthe guards are looking for glass and weapons. I saw several security guards find party favors and give them back. I don't know why people are saying the searches are getting more intrusive, the guards didn't touch my back pockets once.
For those complaining about the sound at the Which Stage, where you up front? It was plenty loud there, they don't have nearly the same number of speakers or extra stacks in the back like at the What Stage. If they turn it up the people in front go deaf, if they had extra speakers in the back the sound completely bleeds over This Tent
Might have something to do with the huge crowds at a handful of shows at Which?
Mumford and Sons really should have been on the What, and probably switch spots with Wiz Khalifa. Buff Springfield probably should have been on the What also.
For those complaining about the sound at the Which Stage, where you up front? It was plenty loud there, they don't have nearly the same number of speakers or extra stacks in the back like at the What Stage. If they turn it up the people in front go deaf, if they had extra speakers in the back the sound completely bleeds over This Tent
I was halfway back in the field and could barely hear it. Don't tell me the Which stage doesn't get loud, cause I heard SCI from This Tent while I was walking to get water, they were blasting that shut. And sound bleed didn't matter for Buffalo Springfield because they were unopposed.
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I apologize for misquoting myself. I haven't been since 09. All I've been saying is things have changed for the worse in my opinion and yes I have had problems with searches in the past on entry to camping by dtf. I guess I come off as negative but I just call it as I see it.
Like I said I had some great times at bonnaroo, and wish that it would go back to what I loved about the weekend. I have moved on and go to smaller more relaxed festivals. I guess I'm getting old. Actually I'm 35 today.
I go to smaller fests like Bisco and Vibes to really let loose and get fucking inebriated beyond belief.
I go to big fests like roo for the music only. Sure I'm not Captain Sobriety while I'm there, but as far as I'm concerned, the dtf and searches REALLY aren't a big deal.
Ahhh, the annual "this was my last Bonnaroo" thread. Like clockwork.
Guilty as charged juggernaut. It was hard for me to start the thread because I have defended the festival in the past. I mean, I had no issues with the crowd nor the lineup, everyone was mostly well behaved and I like diversity in the lineup (although a little more world music would have been welcome).
That being said, there have been complaints about the gradually worsening conditions of the port-a-potty's, dust, Which stage sound quality, lines to get in the venue, and lack of shade for many years now. Bonnaroo has sold out before, so it is not like there are more people there creating a new situation. The festival organizers have to make some investments to get me and my wife back to the farm.
I will still participate on Inforoo, and I am sure I will have some pangs to return once lineups are announced, but it will be hard for me to buy those tickets again next year without some improvements.. I expect hardships when going to Bonnaroo, but why does it keep getting worse each year?
While I don't know if I'm going to "divorce" Bonnaroo, I do have a lot of constructive criticism after this go-round.
1. The audio is a huge issue. The Which Stage was the single biggest source of frustration from the whole weekend. For Mumford, Lil Wayne, Buffalo Springfield and Iron & Wine, I was in a constant state of movement trying to get to a place where I could really hear it. By "really hear it" I mean I shouldn't be able to have a conversation where we talk with our inside voices during the show. If you were right or left of the stage or behind the tree line (in other words "not all up in it") then you don't get a proper show. I like to see a lot of bands but to get a worthy spot to take in all of the show properly, you have to have a level of commitment where you severely sacrifice the other shows you want to see. On another note, the Other Tent is almost worthless. If you don't arrive to the show a half hour early and you are outside of the structure, you don't have a clue what the hell is going on in there. Bottom line, Bonnaroo has to do a better job matching time slots and stages to the artists while better outfitting the viewing area to be pleasant for all watching/listening on all stages.
2. The lines sucked. Centeroo is huge and I think there were only 2 places for General Admission to go in. They can fix that.
this was my 8th year in a row going down to the farm. nothing really seemed different for me this year. i never waited more than 5 minutes to get into Centeroo. as for any DTF searches or anything...we got there at around 2:30 on thursday afternoon, security didn't even make me get out of my car or open my trunk. i had nothing illegal in the car, and i told the woman that and she just waved me through. as for bathroom lines, once the sun goes down, the fences on the outer edges of Centeroo really come in handy. haha. this was one of my favorite years on the farm. had no issues with sound, except for Bassnectar being so damn loud! we walked by it on the way to Lil Wayne, and it was deafening...really wish we stayed for that instead of seeing Wayne.
As someone who didn't get to go this year, I'll gladly take Bonnaroo back from anyone who wants to break up with her. All the complaints I'm reading here sound very typical, legit gripes, but ones that come up every year. Just get caught up on your sleep, have a few good meals and you'll be looking forward to next year.
I would say that the only gripe I had about this year was the line for the portos. It seemed like the line was always a mile long even in the middle of the day. The dust did suck but it wasnt enough to ruin my weekend or anything. I feel you on the shade but its been like this since day 1. Luckily it wasnt as humid as last year and there always seemed to be a nice breeze so this didnt really bother me either. The lines to get into Centeroo were pretty crappy but I learned from this and just went into Centeroo about 10am every day and there was barely any line at all at that time.
Scheduling has always been this way, alot of great acts are going to be playing at the same time. Its something that everyone must except when they decide to buy a ticket.
The sound at Which Stage was fine as long as you were near the soundboard. I do think they shoud have really cranked it for Buffalo Springfield since they were unopposed, I did hear the turn it up chants even though the sound was fine from where I was but overall I thought the sound was superb this year for all the stages, didnt have any issues at all.
I do agree that Bonnaroo could improve in many ways but for me I think they do a pretty good job organizing everything. Would be cool to see them add some shade and everything but it seems like things improve every year, maybe some of the complaints you had will be addressed next year.
Oh no! You mean they brought 80,000 music-loving lunatics to the middle of nowhere, and things didn't go smoothly? People complain about the same things every year.
Yeah, it's hot in June. The only time it's not hot is when it's raining, and people would whine about the mud then. Weather was way better than last year, and Sunday was beautiful.
The bathroom lines are always gonna be an issue. Would you rather them put 80,000 porta potties in Centeroo though? Atleast they were cleaner than last year, and the ones to the left of What Stage never had a line.
The only legitimate complaint is the audio. Specifically, the Which Stage sound. Mumford & Sons and Buffalo Springfield were pretty bad. Sunday Superjam could have been better as well. But you can't have 130 bands having perfect audio, can you? Bonnaroo staff does the best they can in the hour they have to set up, and sometimes things don't work out.
If you had a bad time this year, I'm very sorry. But this festival is one of a kind, and there will be 80,000 nuts ready to tough it out again next year!
Honestly guys, this being my 4th in a row I noticed nothing different aside from more dust and a slightly bigger crowd overall. There were more water stations than in years past and the bathroom situation was probably slightly better if anything. The one thing I will say is Thursday was probably a little too packed with the official openings this year on wednesday. Most of those Thurs. crowds were way beyond their actual sound capacity.
As far as Which Stage sound goes, ya gotta get there early. It's always been that way.
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
Sunday Superjam could have been better as well. But you can't have 130 bands having perfect audio, can you?
Perfect sound? No but I expected them to at least mic all the instruments when the show started 45 minutes late because of an inordinately long sound check.
I think that there was a lot more sound bleed from the Miller Tent than from the Bud tent of old. The new tent has a more open design, albeit with some pretty art hangings where a roof would be. Aesthetic but not acoustic.
I think that there was a lot more sound bleed from the Miller Tent than from the Bud tent of old. The new tent has a more open design, albeit with some pretty art hangings where a roof would be. Aesthetic but not acoustic.
Word. What was the point of the pretty tarps there? It sure wasn't shade because they provided none.
Post by pondo ROCKS on Jun 13, 2011 14:46:06 GMT -5
The longest I waited to get into Centeroo was 5 minutes. The wait to actually get the vehicle in Bonnaroo was WAY better this year (Kudos for fixing or helping with that problem)
The patdowns into Centeroo were kinda hit and miss (note if you had a bag and did not have it opened or had stuff in your pockets or a beer in your hand and complained about how long it took to get into Centeroo, you are an idiot). Some people checked intensely, others not so much. Another entrance would help I agree.
I wish I could find the people who in the past have complained about the mud at Bonnaroo. it is either gonna be Dusty or Muddy. You know this in advance.
A LOT of younger first timers who were wet behind the ears this year. If you use the portos in Centeroo, you will wait a long time. REMEMBER this next year.
To all the people (including myself) who said rappers may be late: Only Bootsy Collins was extremely late and it was a myriad of things on reasons why. The Rap at Bonnaroo was pretty solid this year (kudos to Juggs for being on board with the rap being good this year)
This year was like any other year IMO and it was truly amazing!
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