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Its odd seeing so many people stick up for Bonnaroo, a company that just made a killer profit (and good on it for doing so) while mocking OP for wanting compensation. My guess is that OP isn't easily able to absorb repair costs or a hike in insurance. Yet we all know he had little control over the situation, while Bonnaroo has every means necessary to fill in stump holes, remove barbed wire, etc. Bonnaroo is certainly able to afford to fix its mistakes.
Sorry, OP but apparently you needed an AWD with a small lift and modded suspension. This is completely your fault and asking for compensation is jackassery. AND DAMN YOU FOR RAISING OUR TICKET PRICES WITH YOUR NEEDS.
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Dr Teeth, do you have a suggestion for an appropriate contact at Roo regarding this?
That's all I originally asked for, or if you've had a similar experience.
Are you this sarcastic and unpleasant on the farm too?
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They need a good laugh as much as anyone else. Where is the Juggs to weigh in on all this. Also I am certainly this sarcastic all the time especially after my non sarcastic responses get ignored three times. I would like to think I am not unpleasant to be around though. Find me next year and I will give you a beer and you can decide for yourself.
Okay, so I posted this asking if anyone else has had a similar experience and looking for advice.
This is sort of the last place I'd expect to feel like I'm getting kicked around.
Adios.
I wouldn't take it so personally. People weren't in your shoes and don't know the full details even though you've described what happened. The basic story looks like this : "I drove onto roo, the hills screwed up my bumper, how can I get them to pay for the damage?"
To some people this seems ridiculous because they are comparing it to other situations but only you truly know what happened. If you felt you were wronged, then you're in the right to try and get Roo to pay. I think that most people's points (even if they seem misguided or insulting) are that you will probably have a tough time getting Bonnaroo to pay for this.
I, too, am genuinely curious to see how this works out and if you get money from them. Keep us updated.
dpw, man - sorry for the sh*tty responses from folks.
I can tell you, near definitively, that your busted bumper isn't going to get handled by Bonnaroo. Assuming you have collision on your car and it exceeds your deductible to the point it's worth filing (it'll be deemed 'at fault' - just so you know), you might want to look into that.
You can always try to contact AC Entertainment or somebody and see if they might be able to offer anymore insight...
If you went to Wal Mart and your car got hit by a cart would you file a claim with them? Especially considering all the signs that say you are taking liability into your own hands by parking there? This is the same exact thing dude, every year I see people with flats, broken axles, misc dings from campsite vendors, and the occasional inadvertent fire. Bonnaroo is not going to open the door to paying all these claims so they are certainly not going to pay yours. Your insurance company is not going to fight it with them for 500 dollar bumper, and they are still going to put the fine print in your purchase agreement about accepting liability when you go in.
Okay, so I posted this asking if anyone else has had a similar experience and looking for advice.
This is sort of the last place I'd expect to feel like I'm getting kicked around.
Adios.
Dude, no kicking at all. You asked advice, and my advice was to suck it up. I wasn't trying to be mean about it but its easy to be skeptical when I know claims like these are why our tickets prices collectively go up. Liability insurance is ridiculous, and it costs money to even simply deny responsibility, these costs get rolled up into all of our costs. If it were a clear case of negligence on the part of Roo, like getting run over in CENTEROO for prime example, I'm totally for going after reimbursement. But this is sort of one of the understood risks associated with it in my opinion....
A grass covered stumphole someone is directed over is not a nail on the highway, a scalding hot coffee or a parking lot collision.
With that said I agree with the previous statement that this isn't worth much more than asking for compensation. I don't even think this was worth filing an insurance claim. However, this doesn't mean that OP shouldn't be compensated. It's just that the damage is probably trivial compared to the hassel in getting compensation.
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If you went to Wal Mart and your car got hit by a cart would you file a claim with them?
If WalMart actively created the situation that caused your car to get hit by the cart, I'm thinking you would look to WalMart for compensation. Bonnaroo is promoted as a car camping festival. It's fair to think that your car is not going to have its bumper ripped off when you follow their instructions, drive where they tell you to drive, and park where they tell you to park. Knowing you are going to drive in a field where thousands of other cars are going to be and where the concert organizers supposedly have been preparing for all these cars is hardly the same as going offroading in a Hyundai. That said, I will agree that it's unlikely that Bonnaroo is going to provide any compensation, but I don't think it was all that unreasonable for dpw to think that it might be a possibility.
If you went to Wal Mart and your car got hit by a cart would you file a claim with them? Especially considering all the signs that say you are taking liability into your own hands by parking there? This is the same exact thing dude, every year I see people with flats, broken axles, misc dings from campsite vendors, and the occasional inadvertent fire. Bonnaroo is not going to open the door to paying all these claims so they are certainly not going to pay yours. Your insurance company is not going to fight it with them for 500 dollar bumper, and they are still going to put the fine print in your purchase agreement about accepting liability when you go in.
You would file a claim against someone. I guess the OP is supposed to file a claim against.... the GROUND? or the dead tree? The insurance claim was a personal choice and probably not worth it, but the OP and you as well do not accept liability for negligence when you enter property.
A grass covered stumphole someone is directed over is not a nail on the highway, a scalding hot coffee or a parking lot collision.
With that said I agree with the previous statement that this isn't worth much more than asking for compensation. I don't even think this was worth filing an insurance claim. However, this doesn't mean that OP shouldn't be compensated. It's just that the damage is probably trivial compared to the hassel in getting compensation.
Describe how the scenarios differ. I'm bored, so try me. Nail on interstate, pothole in field.
If you went to Wal Mart and your car got hit by a cart would you file a claim with them? Especially considering all the signs that say you are taking liability into your own hands by parking there? This is the same exact thing dude, every year I see people with flats, broken axles, misc dings from campsite vendors, and the occasional inadvertent fire. Bonnaroo is not going to open the door to paying all these claims so they are certainly not going to pay yours. Your insurance company is not going to fight it with them for 500 dollar bumper, and they are still going to put the fine print in your purchase agreement about accepting liability when you go in.
You would file a claim against someone. I guess the OP is supposed to file a claim against.... the GROUND? or the dead tree? The insurance claim was a personal choice and probably not worth it, but the OP and you as well do not accept liability for negligence when you enter property.
Yes you actually do it is in the terms of service when you purchase your ticket.
If WalMart actively created the situation that caused your car to get hit by the cart, I'm thinking you would look to WalMart for compensation. Bonnaroo is promoted as a car camping festival. It's fair to think that your car is not going to have its bumper ripped off when you follow their instructions, drive where they tell you to drive, and park where they tell you to park. Knowing you are going to drive in a field where thousands of other cars are going to be and where the concert organizers supposedly have been preparing for all these cars is hardly the same as going offroading in a Hyundai. That said, I will agree that it's unlikely that Bonnaroo is going to provide any compensation, but I don't think it was all that unreasonable for dpw to think that it might be a possibility.
I don't think asking was unreasonable, I do think at some point you give up and listen to what people are telling you. Proving negligence over a pothole in a field is pretty damn near impossible thing to do. For that matter I don't think you have much of a case if you hit a pothole at Walmart and ripped your bumper off. You have a license to use the lot, not a bailment type contract where you have turned it over to their care. How do you prove negligence unless this happened to 100 cars all in the same place? Walking through the campgrounds I did not see thousands of cars broken down or bumperless so I think Bonnaroo would have a point that a good faith effort was made, and that a general liability disclaimer was put into the terms of the ticket. Anyway I am not a lawyer but I am out, but I still think it is silly to expect Bonnaroo to admit negligence and not lawyer up and fight anything like this.
Last year when we had the floods I lost my car at a movie theater. I felt they had some liability since they did not stop the movie and let us move our cars. I learned the hard way that in TN, you are pretty much personally responsible for whatever happens to your car in a lot.
If you went to Wal Mart and your car got hit by a cart would you file a claim with them?
If WalMart actively created the situation that caused your car to get hit by the cart, I'm thinking you would look to WalMart for compensation. Bonnaroo is promoted as a car camping festival. It's fair to think that your car is not going to have its bumper ripped off when you follow their instructions, drive where they tell you to drive, and park where they tell you to park. Knowing you are going to drive in a field where thousands of other cars are going to be and where the concert organizers supposedly have been preparing for all these cars is hardly the same as going offroading in a Hyundai. That said, I will agree that it's unlikely that Bonnaroo is going to provide any compensation, but I don't think it was all that unreasonable for dpw to think that it might be a possibility.
NBF didn't even go to Bonnaroo this year, and she is spreading the most Roo love in this whole thread. Seems like the most pleasant, and seemingly reasonable advice in this thread OP.
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Jun 16, 2011 13:39:38 GMT -5
You guys can argue back and forth all you want......but none of us know all the details about this particular situation, so some people have one idea in their head of how it went down and others have another idea.
How damaged/old was the car/bumper before roo?
How badly was it ripped off? Was it dragging behind the car after going through the pothole? Or was it just bumped back a little?
Why did this only happen to this one car? If it happened while driving then surely the cars behind him would go through the same pothole?
There are so many factors to this that none of us know so arguing over who is right and who is wrong in this situation is pointless. To me, anyway.
Well, at least none of those lengths of barbed-wire stripped the skin off my ankles!
Can you explain the barbed wire? Where it was? What it was doing? How big? I would like to know more about this. Haven't seen/heard of anyone else complaining about barbed wire this year and I'd think that'd be something we'd see more about.
Was it in the campsite next to your camp? Was it in a walking path? Or a driving path? Was it in an area where people weren't supposed to be traveling anyway?
As an auto insurance adjuster, situations like these (pothole, field hole, nail on highway causes tire blowout) can go either way liability-wise dependent upon the facts of loss and the extent of proof.
Now, OP, in all honesty your insurance company may simply advise you that you assumed the risk (assumption of risk) of driving on the event grounds and therefore assumed the risk of driving over something like a hole in a field that could cause damage to your vehicle. The fact that Bonnaroo prints a liability waiver that was listed earlier in this thread does not bode well for the chances of your insurance carrier successfully subrogating Bonnaroo or AC/Superfly for compensation.
Now you can very politely and professionally explain in detail the events surrounding and leading up to the event that caused damage to your vehicle. When talking with your carrier be sure to detail whether it was light or dark outside, speed of travel, could you visibly see the hole in the field, how wide and deep was the item that damaged your vehicle, were there volunteers specifically guiding your vehicle over the area that caused damage to your vehicle, were there other vehicles that were damaged in a similar fashion by the same hole? All of these will help aid your carrier in making a logical liability decision.
Warning: be prepared for the possibility that your carrier finds you at fault for this loss. Again be very specific in your detail of what happened. If I were handling a claim like this I would not find you at fault so long as you were directed to travel the path that damaged your car by someone employed by the festival, you were not using excessive speed, and you did not see the hole prior and still decide to drive over it.
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The barbed-wire strips (I found four of them about 20" long) were hidden in long grass along the west edge of Camp Bobby Brown in Pod 2 (previously woods).
It was obvious my site sat on what used to be a barbed-wire fence line that previously separated RV from the woods along the East end of the farm.
Pod 2 was new and it seemed whoever cleared the barbed-wire fence didn't do a good enough job, and somebody eventually ran over it with a mowing tractor, hence the small strips hidden in the grass.
I found the first strip under my shower tent when it broke through the floor lining and punctured my foot.
I found the other three strips nearby walking the path to Centeroo as they would wrap themselves around your ankle, scratch, and trip you.