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The barbed wire is the sort of stuff I'm willing to accept and get over. It'd be impossible for Roo staff to comb every inch of the grounds for such hazards.
The huge holes hidden in long grass that volunteer staff directed my car over should have been corrected, though. And I do feel Bonnaroo is liable for the damage it caused.
The barbed wire is the sort of stuff I'm willing to accept and get over. It'd be impossible for Roo staff to comb every inch of the grounds for such hazards.
The huge holes hidden in long grass that volunteer staff directed my car over should have been corrected, though. And I do feel Bonnaroo is liable for the damage it caused.
Was your car the only one that went through the pot hole? Did you notice any other cars get damaged?
It's amazing, but my foot sort of fixed itself. If only my car could do the same.
I was the first car in through the NE gate, and the first car in my group that was led through Pod 2 and through Camp Bobby Brown. I imagine I was not the only one in the area who saw damage to their car because of the grounds.
I loved our campsite because of the shade from the trees and because of the proximity to Centeroo.
I did not love realizing half the hinges holding my bumper on had been torn.
So let me get this straight, you drove a car into a field without doing any research into whether or not your car was prepared for this and you are trying to blame Roo for not thinking ahead and making sure your car could handle it? Exactly as if you suddenly decide to go offroading, you cannot sue the state for damages. Lack of education is no grounds for frivolous claims, but this is exactly the type of scenario that drives ticket prices up for all of us.
Accept responsibility and move on instead of looking for a way to blame others.
uh...did anyone else get out of their car before they parked it at the farm to "examine the ground where they would be parking"? Could you imagine how backed up the place would be if EVERYONE did before parking@!!!!!!
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I just want to get my vote in.... I tihnk dpw1983's question was answered by numerous people but I think they are wrong. I think your insurance company has a legitmate argument and might actually win that battle with roo. I think there is an implied safety if festival organizers have made a road for you to drive down. Maybe Im worng but then again maybe many others are...
dpw1983 I tend to think your question is more legit than you got credit for...
I just want to get my vote in.... I tihnk dpw1983's question was answered by numerous people but I think they are wrong. I think your insurance company has a legitmate argument and might actually win that battle with roo. I think there is an implied safety if festival organizers have made a road for you to drive down. Maybe Im worng but then again maybe many others are...
dpw1983 I tend to think your question is more legit than you got credit for...
time to be berated.
I agree he has albeit a small point about negligence, though like I said earlier I would be curious to see what Juggs would say weighing in, for some reason the difference between negligence and gross negligence seems like it might apply, but I am not a lawyer. From what I do know of insurance and lawyers though I doubt they are going to take this one to court it is cheaper to write a check than to pay 250 an hour for a lawyers time on their part, and it is far cheaper for Bonnaroo to pay a lawyer than to start settling negligence claims.
dpw I hope I did not come off as too hard on you like I said I was in a similar situation last year in Nashville. I was mainly irritated with csbk, who has been trolling the boards post bonnaroo trying his best to stir up crap. I am glad your insurance will cover it at least, and like I said hit me up for that beer at the brunch next year and decide for yourself how big an asshole I really am .
A hole big enough to rip a bumper off a car was left unfilled for years in a path used heavily by pedestrians and vehicles?
Size of the hole doesn't matter. If you hook your bumper on something and it gets stuck and you keep going forward it will likely rip it off.
ok so get this, if you hit a pot hole in the road and bust your tire (done and done) the city that the road is in pays for the repair. maybe it will be done like that. all you sarcastic bastards...
Size of the hole doesn't matter. If you hook your bumper on something and it gets stuck and you keep going forward it will likely rip it off.
ok so get this, if you hit a pot hole in the road and bust your tire (done and done) the city that the road is in pays for the repair. maybe it will be done like that.
I'm not sure that's how it works. I've had that exact situation happen to me and the city just told us that they have someone filling in the hole soon. Maybe it's different depending on the state/city?
ok so get this, if you hit a pot hole in the road and bust your tire (done and done) the city that the road is in pays for the repair.
Oh how I wish this were true. Cities 9 out of 10 times if not more than that claim "sovereign immunity" when it comes to potholes. Truly the only way you will get the city to pay for damages resulting from a pothole is if a prior vehicle was damaged, owner of said vehicle reports pothole to the city and the city is aware of said pothole and does not repair it in a timely fashion.
I do this kind of stuff day in and day out.........
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Post by concertjunkie on Jun 16, 2011 17:29:33 GMT -5
I saw a car as I was leaving early Sunday that someone else had obviously driven there vehicle down the side of. I bet they were pissed when they finally noticed.
I just want to get my vote in.... I tihnk dpw1983's question was answered by numerous people but I think they are wrong. I think your insurance company has a legitmate argument and might actually win that battle with roo. I think there is an implied safety if festival organizers have made a road for you to drive down. Maybe Im worng but then again maybe many others are...
dpw1983 I tend to think your question is more legit than you got credit for...
time to be berated.
I guess I'm in the "this is legitimate" camp also.
Had anyone been walking around in this area, stepped into that same hole, and broke an ankle, Bonnaroo could reasonably held negligent. Just because it's a car that was damaged doesn't make a difference. I believe they could also be held responsible for the barbed wire, but a minor wound + torn shower floor is a lot less than vehicle repairs and not worth a claim. The farm has a reasonable responsibility to clear away debris and level the ground to make it safe for patron use. It's the same reason they cut the grass, gravel the roads, and have professional parkers guide parking - to make the grounds reasonably safe. (Yes, the orange shirts are professional car parkers, I asked.) Leaving a hole from a pulled tree stump open and accessible to patrons to hurt themselves or damage their equipment is negligent, and they should be held responsible for claims. Do I think your insurance company will succeed? Probably not. Do I think they should get a settlement? Yes. Am I interested in the outcome? Definitely.
And don't give me this BS about "it's your fault for tickets being so expensive." Tickets are expensive because 'Roo is a huge festival with a lot of artists and features, not because they've been sued too many times in the past and need to raise prices to turn/maintain profits.
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Things I learned in this thread. 1. If X happens at bonnaroo= stop whining you signed up for the risk of X when you spent $280 on a ticket, this is not limited to anything. If bonnaroo does or causes X = stop whining (because this is the proven method to handle all life situations). 2. Next bonnaroo come prepared with body armor and drive a lifted hummer.
Things I learned in this thread. 1. If X happens at bonnaroo= stop whining you signed up for the risk of X when you spent $280 on a ticket, this is not limited to anything. If bonnaroo does or causes X = stop whining (because this is the proven method to handle all life situations). 2. Next bonnaroo come prepared with body armor and drive a lifted hummer.
I really am in disbelief at some of the comments in this thread.... how in any way is it your fault that you were guided into a dangerous area by staff of an event that you paid a lot of money to be at? If a festival promotes itself with car camping being a central feature, than you have a reasonable expectations that the car camping areas will be safe for well, cars!
You weren't some rouge driver galavanting in a roped off area, you were directed to the area of the incident by staff themselves. I don't know if you have a leg to stand on regarding getting them to pay for anything, but placing the blame on anyone but them is quacking dumb and misguided.
The cult-of-bonnaroo mentality that seems to absolve them of any wrong doing, well, ever, scares me.
I feel like the word "fault" is very strong. To me it leads to the impression the Bonnaroo did it on purpose. While they hold the most responsibility, this to me was just a total, sucky accident. It sucks all the way around, every way you look at it. I hope you don't have to fork out a wad of cash for it, and I really hope it hasn't changed your opinion of Broo at all. Hopefully, if nothing more, your complaint will cause them to fill in the holes.
Once again for anyone reading certain advice: you generally do not waive negligence liability. Tennessee might be different, I don't know, but probably not. The worst thing you can do is assume you should suck it up because some keyboard hammering fans assume this will raise their ticket price or sully their Roo experience. If stating this is dredging Leno and trolling then color me guilty.
A lot of the analogies being given are not even remotely connected to the OP's experience. For example, the nail on the road is normally an assumed risk incidental to driving on public roads (mostly for policy and efficiency reasons). A field full of freshly made stump holes under the control of a private entity (so no sovereign immunity) and reasonably known to that entity is a different scenario. It isn't an act of god like a flood either (though the movie theatre analogy was downright stupid). Nor is there third party fault like a collision in a parking lot.
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The worst thing you can do is assume you should suck it up because some keyboard hammering fans assume this will raise their ticket price or sully their Roo experience.
You keep saying this. I don't remember reading in this thread at all where someone says "don't file a complaint because it will wraise our ticket prices."
The worst thing you can do is assume you should suck it up because some keyboard hammering fans assume this will raise their ticket price or sully their Roo experience.
You keep saying this. I don't remember reading in this thread at all where someone says "don't file a complaint because it will wraise our ticket prices."
Okay, so I posted this asking if anyone else has had a similar experience and looking for advice.
This is sort of the last place I'd expect to feel like I'm getting kicked around.
Adios.
Dude, no kicking at all. You asked advice, and my advice was to suck it up. I wasn't trying to be mean about it but its easy to be skeptical when I know claims like these are why our tickets prices collectively go up. Liability insurance is ridiculous, and it costs money to even simply deny responsibility, these costs get rolled up into all of our costs. If it were a clear case of negligence on the part of Roo, like getting run over in CENTEROO for prime example, I'm totally for going after reimbursement. But this is sort of one of the understood risks associated with it in my opinion....
Post by laundrydayoutfit on Jun 17, 2011 13:28:42 GMT -5
Me and my roo mate got a flat tire halfway through the weekend thanks to a five inch long nail that we had apparently driven over on our way to our camp site. We were not too happy, to say the least. However, a big shout out to Hullett's for fixing that baby for us in ten minutes flat...and to State Farm for making it free!
I just want to get my vote in.... I tihnk dpw1983's question was answered by numerous people but I think they are wrong. I think your insurance company has a legitmate argument and might actually win that battle with roo. I think there is an implied safety if festival organizers have made a road for you to drive down. Maybe Im worng but then again maybe many others are...
dpw1983 I tend to think your question is more legit than you got credit for...
time to be berated.
This. I think you did get alot of unnecessary shit on this thread. The vibe was awful.
Anybody who has ever had a minor fenderbender should know that it costs a shitload of money to replace a bumper so I would def file the claim even if you become responsible for the deductible. If your insurance company feels Bonnaroo was negligent (which I think they were) and think that it's worth the effort they will go after them to recoup their costs.
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