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You've never seen a genre fight until you've seen metal fans fight over genres. If you want an example, check out the comments on any Deafheaven video. People get so fired up.
So what is Deafheaven classified?
Definitely not death metal. They're more black metal/shoegaze/post-rock to me. And Sang is right, the kvlt fans wouldn't be caught dead at the Deafheaven show.
For death metal, think Cannibal Corpse, Cattle Decapitation, things like that.
I know I'm getting old but what in the hell is butt rock? Will I regret asking?
the type of music where the fanbase is legitimately split between "man I like it when they sing like rrrrraaaawwwrrrr!!" and "I love this except for all the growling!!!"
aka "cock rock" aka "panhandle derp rock". the latter is a regional term coined by longinus.
fun side fact, if a butt rock fan is in their mid thirties and took drugs in the 90s they are 100% of the time HUGE tool fans, which is a great source of cognitive dissonance for me.
I knew there were a ton of tool fans at the show on Halloween because they all wore a tool T-shirt. And told me about it. And talked about all the shows they went to back in the day and cited their stats and shiz. And how tool is pretty much all they listen to bc ni one makes music like tool anymore. Mostly dudes in their mid to late thirties.
I had a flannel shirt on last night. Fuck being "cool", it was cold out. I also had New Balances on. I suppose I caved on the black jeans but in all fairness, I live in those.
E: Shit. Just realized my New Balances are black. The laces glow in the dark though.
Have fun tonight, Druid. You'll get New Bermuda in full plus a few more.
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the type of music where the fanbase is legitimately split between "man I like it when they sing like rrrrraaaawwwrrrr!!" and "I love this except for all the growling!!!"
aka "cock rock" aka "panhandle derp rock". the latter is a regional term coined by longinus.
fun side fact, if a butt rock fan is in their mid thirties and took drugs in the 90s they are 100% of the time HUGE tool fans, which is a great source of cognitive dissonance for me.
I knew there were a ton of tool fans at the show on Halloween because they all wore a tool T-shirt. And told me about it. And talked about all the shows they went to back in the day and cited their stats and shiz. And how tool is pretty much all they listen to bc ni one makes music like tool anymore. Mostly dudes in their mid to late thirties.
It was a lot like being at a phish show.
I love Tool and do none of these things. I am officially no longer in my thirties, did lots of drugs in the 90s and am a HUGE Tool fan, but like all music, I am not a douche about it. At least I don't think that I am. I don't just listen to them, or judge others if they don't like them... well maybe a little but I don't vocalize it.
I had a flannel shirt on last night. Fuck being "cool", it was cold out. I also had New Balances on. I suppose I caved on the black jeans but in all fairness, I live in those.
Have fun tonight, Druid. You'll get New Bermuda in full plus a few more.
Show is Tuesday night. How was Tribulation?
And I am going to need an example of a "butt rock" band.
I had a flannel shirt on last night. Fuck being "cool", it was cold out. I also had New Balances on. I suppose I caved on the black jeans but in all fairness, I live in those.
Have fun tonight, Druid. You'll get New Bermuda in full plus a few more.
Show is Tuesday night. How was Tribulation?
Don't skip them. Seriously. I actually liked that set better than Deafheaven.
I knew there were a ton of tool fans at the show on Halloween because they all wore a tool T-shirt. And told me about it. And talked about all the shows they went to back in the day and cited their stats and shiz. And how tool is pretty much all they listen to bc ni one makes music like tool anymore. Mostly dudes in their mid to late thirties.
It was a lot like being at a phish show.
I love Tool and do none of these things. I am officially no longer in my thirties, did lots of drugs in the 90s and am a HUGE Tool fan, but like all music, I am not a douche about it. At least I don't think that I am. I don't just listen to them, or judge others if they don't like them... well maybe a little but I don't vocalize it.
Thanks guys, I feel more confident about my wardrobe choices now that I know I am going to a "faux metal" show.
Everyone you think would be at that show won't be. It's going to be mostly duds in their 30/40's that are slightly overweight and balding, trying to relive their 20's. So basically, everyone is gonna look like Dave Maynar and myself.
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Definitely not death metal. They're more black metal/shoegaze/post-rock to me. And Sang is right, the kvlt fans wouldn't be caught dead at the Deafheaven show.
For death metal, think Cannibal Corpse, Cattle Decapitation, things like that.
Fyi, Blackgaze is the specific genre name I've heard thrown around with the most because nobody makes new names anymore, they just cobble together new names out of the old ones.
Thanks guys, I feel more confident about my wardrobe choices now that I know I am going to a "faux metal" show.
Everyone you think would be at that show won't be. It's going to be mostly duds in their 30/40's that are slightly overweight and balding, trying to relive their 20's. So basically, everyone is gonna look like Dave Maynar and myself.
Thanks guys, I feel more confident about my wardrobe choices now that I know I am going to a "faux metal" show.
Everyone you think would be at that show won't be. It's going to be mostly duds in their 30/40's that are slightly overweight and balding, trying to relive their 20's. So basically, everyone is gonna look like Dave Maynar and myself.
I was gonna correct you spelling it "duds" but realized that's accurate too.
Definitely not death metal. They're more black metal/shoegaze/post-rock to me. And Sang is right, the kvlt fans wouldn't be caught dead at the Deafheaven show.
For death metal, think Cannibal Corpse, Cattle Decapitation, things like that.
i saw Cannibal Corpse last week, it was great. I love how angry all the death metal fans are. I dressed similar to Ace Ventura and bounced around just like he did in the movie.... most of the metal heads didn't get the joke, whicch only made it funnier to me
In 11th grade, '97-98, Aenima used to come on the rock station every single day at 12:20 in the afternoon. I'd have "Learn to swim learn to swim learn to swim learn to swim..." stuck in my head all afternoon. I've never seen Tool live, but I'd love it.
Everyone you think would be at that show won't be. It's going to be mostly duds in their 30/40's that are slightly overweight and balding, trying to relive their 20's. So basically, everyone is gonna look like Dave Maynar and myself.
I was gonna correct you spelling it "duds" but realized that's accurate too.
Whoopsie. I'll be glad for Christmas. All I asked for is a laptop where the "E" key works consistent. It sticks. You don't wanna know why.
I love Tool and do none of these things. I am officially no longer in my thirties, did lots of drugs in the 90s and am a HUGE Tool fan, but like all music, I am not a douche about it. At least I don't think that I am. I don't just listen to them, or judge others if they don't like them... well maybe a little but I don't vocalize it.
Well, you're clearly not an OGT.
Well now I've got some Advice for you, little buddy. Before you point your finger You should know that I'm the man,
And if I'm the man, Then you're the man, and He's the man as well so you can Point that fuckin' finger up your ass.
the type of music where the fanbase is legitimately split between "man I like it when they sing like rrrrraaaawwwrrrr!!" and "I love this except for all the growling!!!"
aka "cock rock" aka "panhandle derp rock". the latter is a regional term coined by longinus.
fun side fact, if a butt rock fan is in their mid thirties and took drugs in the 90s they are 100% of the time HUGE tool fans, which is a great source of cognitive dissonance for me.
I knew there were a ton of tool fans at the show on Halloween because they all wore a tool T-shirt. And told me about it. And talked about all the shows they went to back in the day and cited their stats and shiz. And how tool is pretty much all they listen to bc ni one makes music like tool anymore. Mostly dudes in their mid to late thirties.
It was a lot like being at a phish show.
Bit of a tangent but I think Tool is an easy band to become obsessed with. What they have in common with Phish is how incredibly unlikely it is that both bands became as popular as they did. Think about it, Tool is a prog metal band with lyrical content that can best be described as obtuse, and they can pretty much sell out any arena in the US in minutes. All logic says they should be playing the Tabernacle and selling out maybe a couple weeks before the show. It's a complete fluke that Tool is enormously popular, and it's hard to pin down exactly why. I mean the music is fantastic but that in and of itself rarely is enough for a band to sell out arenas.
I think in this strange sub culture of "niche arena bands" the popularity feeds the popularity. I've rambled enough about Phish to last me a lifetime but the roaring crowd of a sold out shed contributes something to the experience that you can't replicate in a smaller venue. Similar to Tool, I think a lot of fans are, consciously or subconsciously, dumbfounded the band is as popular as they are, so they must attribute something to that popularity. Thus, obsession.
Definitely not death metal. They're more black metal/shoegaze/post-rock to me. And Sang is right, the kvlt fans wouldn't be caught dead at the Deafheaven show.
For death metal, think Cannibal Corpse, Cattle Decapitation, things like that.
i saw Cannibal Corpse last week, it was great. I love how angry all the death metal fans are. I dressed similar to Ace Ventura and bounced around just like he did in the movie.... most of the metal heads didn't get the joke, whicch only made it funnier to me
That is too fucking good! Completely forgot about that scene.
I knew there were a ton of tool fans at the show on Halloween because they all wore a tool T-shirt. And told me about it. And talked about all the shows they went to back in the day and cited their stats and shiz. And how tool is pretty much all they listen to bc ni one makes music like tool anymore. Mostly dudes in their mid to late thirties.
It was a lot like being at a phish show.
Bit of a tangent but I think Tool is an easy band to become obsessed with. What they have in common with Phish is how incredibly unlikely it is that both bands became as popular as they did. Think about it, Tool is a prog metal band with lyrical content that can best be described as obtuse, and they can pretty much sell out any arena in the US in minutes. All logic says they should be playing the Tabernacle and selling out maybe a couple weeks before the show. It's a complete fluke that Tool is enormously popular, and it's hard to pin down exactly why. I mean the music is fantastic but that in and of itself rarely is enough for a band to sell out arenas.
I think in this strange sub culture of "niche arena bands" the popularity feeds the popularity. I've rambled enough about Phish to last me a lifetime but the roaring crowd of a sold out shed contributes something to the experience that you can't replicate in a smaller venue. Similar to Tool, I think a lot of fans are, consciously or subconsciously, dumbfounded the band is as popular as they are, so they must attribute something to that popularity. Thus, obsession.
I think you really have to look at the early music videos for Tool as one of the keys to their popularity. They did something that wasn't like anything else that was on mtv at the time. I remember reading something somewhere about the mythos that was created by the videos especially since the band isn't featured in them which was unusual for that time period. Stuff like that etches itself in your brain especially amongst teenagers which is where I was when they broke out.
Bit of a tangent but I think Tool is an easy band to become obsessed with. What they have in common with Phish is how incredibly unlikely it is that both bands became as popular as they did. Think about it, Tool is a prog metal band with lyrical content that can best be described as obtuse, and they can pretty much sell out any arena in the US in minutes. All logic says they should be playing the Tabernacle and selling out maybe a couple weeks before the show. It's a complete fluke that Tool is enormously popular, and it's hard to pin down exactly why. I mean the music is fantastic but that in and of itself rarely is enough for a band to sell out arenas.
I think in this strange sub culture of "niche arena bands" the popularity feeds the popularity. I've rambled enough about Phish to last me a lifetime but the roaring crowd of a sold out shed contributes something to the experience that you can't replicate in a smaller venue. Similar to Tool, I think a lot of fans are, consciously or subconsciously, dumbfounded the band is as popular as they are, so they must attribute something to that popularity. Thus, obsession.
I think you really have to look at the early music videos for Tool as one of the keys to their popularity. They did something that wasn't like anything else that was on mtv at the time. I remember reading something somewhere about the mythos that was created by the videos especially since the band isn't featured in them which was unusual for that time period. Stuff like that etches itself in your brain especially amongst teenagers which is where I was when they broke out.
Very good point. I wonder how much of the popularity stems from the video of Sober. MTV was a big thing back then.
Bit of a tangent but I think Tool is an easy band to become obsessed with. What they have in common with Phish is how incredibly unlikely it is that both bands became as popular as they did. Think about it, Tool is a prog metal band with lyrical content that can best be described as obtuse, and they can pretty much sell out any arena in the US in minutes. All logic says they should be playing the Tabernacle and selling out maybe a couple weeks before the show. It's a complete fluke that Tool is enormously popular, and it's hard to pin down exactly why. I mean the music is fantastic but that in and of itself rarely is enough for a band to sell out arenas.
I think in this strange sub culture of "niche arena bands" the popularity feeds the popularity. I've rambled enough about Phish to last me a lifetime but the roaring crowd of a sold out shed contributes something to the experience that you can't replicate in a smaller venue. Similar to Tool, I think a lot of fans are, consciously or subconsciously, dumbfounded the band is as popular as they are, so they must attribute something to that popularity. Thus, obsession.
I think you really have to look at the early music videos for Tool as one of the keys to their popularity. They did something that wasn't like anything else that was on mtv at the time. I remember reading something somewhere about the mythos that was created by the videos especially since the band isn't featured in them which was unusual for that time period. Stuff like that etches itself in your brain especially amongst teenagers which is where I was when they broke out.
Those videos were mindblowing and so unique and creepy, especially if you really listened or knew the lyrics. I am sure that helped. I remember the first time I heard Sober...I actually saw the video first. I was blown away and instantly hooked. I have all their albums, including Saliva on DVD and shirts that I refuse to get rid of even though they are too small.
EDIT: and I have seen them 7 times. The only show I didn't get to see is when they toured in 2006-2007. My ex and a group of his guy friends traveled to see them and us ladies were NOT allowed to go. I should have dumped him then and saved myself another seven years of misery. Plus side, it fucking downpoured on them and they all got sick.
Bit of a tangent but I think Tool is an easy band to become obsessed with. What they have in common with Phish is how incredibly unlikely it is that both bands became as popular as they did. Think about it, Tool is a prog metal band with lyrical content that can best be described as obtuse, and they can pretty much sell out any arena in the US in minutes. All logic says they should be playing the Tabernacle and selling out maybe a couple weeks before the show. It's a complete fluke that Tool is enormously popular, and it's hard to pin down exactly why. I mean the music is fantastic but that in and of itself rarely is enough for a band to sell out arenas.
I think in this strange sub culture of "niche arena bands" the popularity feeds the popularity. I've rambled enough about Phish to last me a lifetime but the roaring crowd of a sold out shed contributes something to the experience that you can't replicate in a smaller venue. Similar to Tool, I think a lot of fans are, consciously or subconsciously, dumbfounded the band is as popular as they are, so they must attribute something to that popularity. Thus, obsession.
I think you really have to look at the early music videos for Tool as one of the keys to their popularity. They did something that wasn't like anything else that was on mtv at the time. I remember reading something somewhere about the mythos that was created by the videos especially since the band isn't featured in them which was unusual for that time period. Stuff like that etches itself in your brain especially amongst teenagers which is where I was when they broke out.
Great point, I very specifically remember seeing the video for Sober for the first time, and it truly scared the shit out of me. A lot of my friends then had a similar experience. The band was definitely mysterious, to the point where adolescent me really thought there might be something occult going on there, which was of course cool.
Then I remember buying the albums, and the album art was always filled with bizarre or horrifying things. They definitely made several intriguing aesthetic choices, from the videos to the album art to the structure of the live show that was so anti everything else musically up until that point. That aesthetic managed to reach the people it needed to, and now you have the Tool fanbase.
Post by justinmn9319 on Nov 9, 2015 12:42:02 GMT -5
i think schism was the first tool video i saw and it changed my life. i bought the alubm for that one song and discovered a totally new thing taht i had never heard before. TOOL forever
I knew there were a ton of tool fans at the show on Halloween because they all wore a tool T-shirt. And told me about it. And talked about all the shows they went to back in the day and cited their stats and shiz. And how tool is pretty much all they listen to bc ni one makes music like tool anymore. Mostly dudes in their mid to late thirties.
It was a lot like being at a phish show.
Bit of a tangent but I think Tool is an easy band to become obsessed with. What they have in common with Phish is how incredibly unlikely it is that both bands became as popular as they did. Think about it, Tool is a prog metal band with lyrical content that can best be described as obtuse, and they can pretty much sell out any arena in the US in minutes. All logic says they should be playing the Tabernacle and selling out maybe a couple weeks before the show. It's a complete fluke that Tool is enormously popular, and it's hard to pin down exactly why. I mean the music is fantastic but that in and of itself rarely is enough for a band to sell out arenas.
I think in this strange sub culture of "niche arena bands" the popularity feeds the popularity. I've rambled enough about Phish to last me a lifetime but the roaring crowd of a sold out shed contributes something to the experience that you can't replicate in a smaller venue. Similar to Tool, I think a lot of fans are, consciously or subconsciously, dumbfounded the band is as popular as they are, so they must attribute something to that popularity. Thus, obsession.
Rolling Stone, to Trey:
Who do you think should headline Bonnaroo in 2007? Tool! I saw them here in New York at a small theater, and I loved them. They were so loud. They're the most psychedelic band going. The funny thing is, with their odd time signatures and patterns, they sound kinda like Phish.
I don't drink coffee, but I want to go buy a heathen cup. When do they go on sale?
I believe they already are. Some idiot demagogue on Facebook has already posted his rant video on it. Their brilliant plan to protest is to go to Starbucks, buy a drink and have them put your name down as Merry Christmas, so Starbucks is forced to acknowledge the season.
P.S. They sell things aside from coffee. Get some tea or a nice hot chocolate.
Definitely not death metal. They're more black metal/shoegaze/post-rock to me. And Sang is right, the kvlt fans wouldn't be caught dead at the Deafheaven show.
For death metal, think Cannibal Corpse, Cattle Decapitation, things like that.
Druid, I can bring Jake in to this if you need definitions.