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I’m walking in the hallway (sober) imagining myself at the Suoerdime putting up a fist for Kappernick, and a right winger comes over and throws a punch at me. I duck, break his arm and punch down at him smashing my knuckles into the side of an 80 pound door. This fucking sucks. And Pwnd.
Boyfriend didn’t even know what the place was. I asked if he was joking multiple times. I tried to find the NOLA episode of a Bourdain show, because I know he went there. It’s either a Parts Unknown that hasn’t been put on Netflix yet or it’s a No Reservations episode. I’m leaning towards No Reservations because I remember seeing it not recently.
Hot take: If there was another rapper with 15 years of shit albums in a row like Eminem, they would have been thrown in the dumpster bin already or forced to move to another section of the hip hop game. Yet, for some reason people and promoters still give a shit about his albums?
When you have a very viable case for "best of all time" in your genre, people will continue to pay attention regardless of your missteps. Jay-Z's been on a downward slide since The Black Album, and Nas hasn't done anything great in the last decade either. Their lows haven't been as low as Em's, but their highs were never as high either. Regardless, when any of them put out new music, people listen because they command that respect.
People also forget that while not musically impressive to many, Recovery was the best-selling album of 2010 and has sold 4.5mil domestically, 10mil worldwide. While you or I might consider it a shit album, the general population loved the music on it, and the sales reflect that. It buoyed Em's career and breathed life into it, and its pop influence made him bigger than hip-hop at that point. That was in 2010. For context, Lil Wayne's Tha Carter III was the number one album of 2008, and he's still getting major features with Chance, DJ Khaled etc. And his last few albums have been pretty bad too - Rebirth, anyone? But apparently he got clearance recently to release The Carter V and people are hype about it.
But yeah if you prove yourself to be one of the best - if not the best - who ever did it in your genre, people are going to listen to you for the rest of your life. Paul McCartney hasn't put out music worth giving a shit about in a long time either. But he's still Paul McCartney.
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Their lows haven't been as low as Em's, but their highs were never as high either.
I'm not a huge rap fan, but I know that's a bold ass statement right there.
It is, and it's surely debatable if we're talking about artistry - I'd rank Illmatic over any Em project and The Black Album is a classic too. I'm talking about popularity though. I know album sales aren't a perfect metric, but MMLP and TES sold a combined 21.6 million. You'd have to combine Jay-Z's top SEVEN albums to hit that number. Jay and Nas are legends for sure but they never reached the height of popularity that Eminem did, and it's not close.
5.5/four tet, daphni b2b floating points, avalon emerson 5.12/neil young 5.19/mannequin pussy 5.21/serpentwithfeet 5.25/hozier 6.12-16/bonnaroo 6.28/goose 6.29/goose 9.17/the national + the war on drugs 9.23/sigur ros 9.27-29/making time 10.17/air
I'm not a huge rap fan, but I know that's a bold ass statement right there.
It is, and it's surely debatable if we're talking about artistry - I'd rank Illmatic over any Em project and The Black Album is a classic too. I'm talking about popularity though. I know album sales aren't a perfect metric, but MMLP and TES sold a combined 21.6 million. You'd have to combine Jay-Z's top SEVEN albums to hit that number. Jay and Nas are legends for sure but they never reached the height of popularity that Eminem did, and it's not close.
Hot take: If there was another rapper with 15 years of shit albums in a row like Eminem, they would have been thrown in the dumpster bin already or forced to move to another section of the hip hop game. Yet, for some reason people and promoters still give a shit about his albums?
Rapper's careers most of times don't even stand that long. They either quite or become irrelevant.. or die?
Anyways, you wanted examples.. How is Snoop Dogg doing? How is Lil Wayne doing? 50 cent? Ludacris? Timbaland? Flo Rida?
It is, and it's surely debatable if we're talking about artistry - I'd rank Illmatic over any Em project and The Black Album is a classic too. I'm talking about popularity though. I know album sales aren't a perfect metric, but MMLP and TES sold a combined 21.6 million. You'd have to combine Jay-Z's top SEVEN albums to hit that number. Jay and Nas are legends for sure but they never reached the height of popularity that Eminem did, and it's not close.
5.5/four tet, daphni b2b floating points, avalon emerson 5.12/neil young 5.19/mannequin pussy 5.21/serpentwithfeet 5.25/hozier 6.12-16/bonnaroo 6.28/goose 6.29/goose 9.17/the national + the war on drugs 9.23/sigur ros 9.27-29/making time 10.17/air
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Sept 8, 2018 12:26:31 GMT -5
I gave the new album a listen and didn’t find it as horrible as it is being made out to be. I probably will never return to it, but the vocal ability is still amazing.
Hot take: If there was another rapper with 15 years of shit albums in a row like Eminem, they would have been thrown in the dumpster bin already or forced to move to another section of the hip hop game. Yet, for some reason people and promoters still give a shit about his albums?
Rapper's careers most of times don't even stand that long. They either quite or become irrelevant.. or die?
Anyways, you wanted examples.. How is Snoop Dogg doing? How is Lil Wayne doing? 50 cent? Ludacris? Timbaland? Flo Rida?
Snoop has kept relevant with podcasting, creating shows, and helping create marijuana culture - while also being crossover. Wayne still drops a verse or two as a guest that works, but he also gets railed through the coals because he gave up so much power to Birdman for his producing that now we kinda clown him. Luda and 50 Cent have half-credible acting careers, just like LL and Will Smiths, direction of switching your place in the game. Timbo still produces like crazy but the truth is that he was always more visible when Missy Elliot is around. Another good example of above is David Banner.
Oh of course, his race has everything to do with his popularity.
I mean it's obviously relevant; I'm also more sure it is in correlation with what is seen as a "crossover moment" in hip-hop evolving with white rappers who can tear up a mic without being questioned. Being co-signed by Dr. Dre is incredibly significant -- I'm just more puzzled because I feel like other rappers in the same echelon fall to a plateau, and get forgotten... In a lot of people's opinions da boy Em fell down a pit.
Hot take: If there was another rapper with 15 years of shit albums in a row like Eminem, they would have been thrown in the dumpster bin already or forced to move to another section of the hip hop game. Yet, for some reason people and promoters still give a shit about his albums?
When you have a very viable case for "best of all time" in your genre, people will continue to pay attention regardless of your missteps. Jay-Z's been on a downward slide since The Black Album, and Nas hasn't done anything great in the last decade either. Their lows haven't been as low as Em's, but their highs were never as high either. Regardless, when any of them put out new music, people listen because they command that respect.
People also forget that while not musically impressive to many, Recovery was the best-selling album of 2010 and has sold 4.5mil domestically, 10mil worldwide. While you or I might consider it a shit album, the general population loved the music on it, and the sales reflect that. It buoyed Em's career and breathed life into it, and its pop influence made him bigger than hip-hop at that point. That was in 2010. For context, Lil Wayne's Tha Carter III was the number one album of 2008, and he's still getting major features with Chance, DJ Khaled etc. And his last few albums have been pretty bad too - Rebirth, anyone? But apparently he got clearance recently to release The Carter V and people are hype about it.
But yeah if you prove yourself to be one of the best - if not the best - who ever did it in your genre, people are going to listen to you for the rest of your life. Paul McCartney hasn't put out music worth giving a shit about in a long time either. But he's still Paul McCartney.
I see you on your argument -- but perception is everything. Black Album was a masterpiece, can't take that away from anyone - but for him it was an end of an era of self; that didn't seem to hit an evolution point until 4:44. Truth is though there are WAY more hot records on Blueprint 3 and American Gangster alone comparatively with the Em records I hear. Everyone's entitled to opinion of quality of course.
Nas' "Life is Good" in 2012 is amazing. So I can't agree with that part of the argument at all.
Best selling stuff, is that -- but the hype beast machine is real; and while I don't think anyone in hip-hop thinks Marshall is a culture vulture: a lot of his followers definitely are. McCartney in consideration to the beginning of his career: 1957 - now kinda has the whole scale of time thing going for him. His last Platinum record (US/UK) was 1983. So let's just say 25 years to round things out, of highly bought music (let alone other releases that went Gold). The Slim Shady version of Em we know didn't arrive until 1998 (20 years now). So that's where my comparison will come from on that one. Mind you quality is perception - I get that.
Rapper's careers most of times don't even stand that long. They either quite or become irrelevant.. or die?
Anyways, you wanted examples.. How is Snoop Dogg doing? How is Lil Wayne doing? 50 cent? Ludacris? Timbaland? Flo Rida?
Snoop has kept relevant with podcasting, creating shows, and helping create marijuana culture - while also being crossover. Wayne still drops a verse or two as a guest that works, but he also gets railed through the coals because he gave up so much power to Birdman for his producing that now we kinda clown him. Luda and 50 Cent have half-credible acting careers, just like LL and Will Smiths, direction of switching your place in the game. Timbo still produces like crazy but the truth is that he was always more visible when Missy Elliot is around. Another good example of above is David Banner.
But none of them still create mainstream buzz like Eminem does even when a few albums have flopped. Eminem, just like a few artists who have been a long time in the scene are an exception. Rap artists don't stay that relevant for so long cause of the beats they rap on change every so much years.
Snoop has kept relevant with podcasting, creating shows, and helping create marijuana culture - while also being crossover. Wayne still drops a verse or two as a guest that works, but he also gets railed through the coals because he gave up so much power to Birdman for his producing that now we kinda clown him. Luda and 50 Cent have half-credible acting careers, just like LL and Will Smiths, direction of switching your place in the game. Timbo still produces like crazy but the truth is that he was always more visible when Missy Elliot is around. Another good example of above is David Banner.
But none of them still create mainstream buzz like Eminem does even when a few albums have flopped. Eminem, just like a few artists who have been a long time in the scene are an exception. Rap artists don't stay that relevant for so long cause of the beats they rap on change every so much years.
Well I'm saying that straight up: maybe we as listeners need to identify he's getting that exception. And that it's weird on an artistic level, thus why it's a "hot take". Buzz is cool... but if I'm gonna have to listen to a track where he tries to go after Tyler and Vince Staples; it's suspect on hip-hop level for me. It was also weak as fuck.
Hot take: If there was another rapper with 15 years of shit albums in a row like Eminem, they would have been thrown in the dumpster bin already or forced to move to another section of the hip hop game. Yet, for some reason people and promoters still give a shit about his albums?
Hot take: If there was another rapper with 15 years of shit albums in a row like Eminem, they would have been thrown in the dumpster bin already or forced to move to another section of the hip hop game. Yet, for some reason people and promoters still give a shit about his albums?
When you have a very viable case for "best of all time" in your genre, people will continue to pay attention regardless of your missteps. Jay-Z's been on a downward slide since The Black Album, and Nas hasn't done anything great in the last decade either. Their lows haven't been as low as Em's, but their highs were never as high either. Regardless, when any of them put out new music, people listen because they command that respect.
People also forget that while not musically impressive to many, Recovery was the best-selling album of 2010 and has sold 4.5mil domestically, 10mil worldwide. While you or I might consider it a shit album, the general population loved the music on it, and the sales reflect that. It buoyed Em's career and breathed life into it, and its pop influence made him bigger than hip-hop at that point. That was in 2010. For context, Lil Wayne's Tha Carter III was the number one album of 2008, and he's still getting major features with Chance, DJ Khaled etc. And his last few albums have been pretty bad too - Rebirth, anyone? But apparently he got clearance recently to release The Carter V and people are hype about it.
But yeah if you prove yourself to be one of the best - if not the best - who ever did it in your genre, people are going to listen to you for the rest of your life. Paul McCartney hasn't put out music worth giving a shit about in a long time either. But he's still Paul McCartney.
great discussion starter by @bandeto, and great follow up posts. this is why I come to inforoo (that and the jokes).
the only thing I'd add is one broad comment: whenever critics are wildly split on a piece of music, or art for that matter, I think it's at least worth paying attention to, and while not always, often it's more interesting and stimulating than music that is critically beloved. based on my perusal of various review headlines, "Kamikaze" is either a stunning return to form and Em's best album since "The Eminem Show" or a piece of hot garbage from an aging rapper with nothing left to say so he is just picking on the youths.
i find i'm most intrigued by music or art when i send a youtube link to a friend and say "is this this worst thing you've ever heard or the best thing you've ever heard?" Mumble rap in general was a good example of this. I first started paying attention to Future when "Fuck Up Some Commas" came out. I listened to it and laughed, it seemed so basic and ridiculous. And then I listened to it again. And again. And again. I just kept coming back to it. I started paying attention to any song he was featured on. Then DS2 came out, and the first time I heard that chorus to "Thought It Was A Drought" I realized that there was greatness here. Now I listen to everything Future does, along with many other artists in the mumble rap genre, and I still can't crystallize my opinion of it.
But when I'm on the stationary bike at around the half hour mark and "Ric Flair Drip" comes on my headphones, my brain and physical body definitely reacts to it and I can't help but push on.
Furthermore, in all artistic areas, I think there is value in shock. Shock can take many forms, and can offend us in many ways, whether that be morally, ethically, or just aesthetically. Art can't be all shock, there has to be substance and weight. But I don't want to live in a world where I only consume art that makes me happy and comfortable. I also want to be disturbed, challenged, and at times even revolted.
it's a short interview and worth reading. i've always liked norm, and enjoyed reading his views on recent topics. i found the way he worded his comment about the victims of Louis CK's and Roseanne's actions lacked tact, but I understand what he was saying, that Louis CK and Roseanne are his friends, and while they did terrible things they are still human beings suffering, and it's OK to recognize that suffering as a different kind of suffering than the victims.
i guess there has been internet mob outrage over this and The Tonight Show has cancelled Norm's appearance which doesn't make sense to me. Norm has issued an apology and clarified his position, stating he was not defending Louis and Roseanne's actions (which he obviously wasn't) and that he didn't intend to minimize the pain of their victims (which was a fair thing to apologize for/clarify).
So I'm posting this to check myself, does anyone feel what Norm said was so heinous that it makes sense for The Tonight Show to cancel his appearance?
And one other inforoo question: does anyone think we could use a thread where we discuss harder topics like the above? I feel like these kinds of topics tend to end up in the politics thread, but they aren't really politics, or in threads like this where maybe they don't necessarily belong.
I typically don't enjoy discussing controversial cultural topics on faceless sites like reddit, but around here i feel like i've gotten to know many of you, so it's like i'm sitting around having coffee with friends i've known for years, and that is a situation i'm comfortable maybe saying something stupid and being corrected by a friend who knows i'm not a terrible person instead of being yelled at by a random internet person.