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Ladies don't actually follow the advise or take the things on this show seriously, do they? I thought it was just for giggles.
How I wish you were right. I actually work with kids under age 3 with disabilities and we are bracing ourselves for the responses of parents to vaccination and autism diagnoses after she starts.
How I wish you were right. I actually work with kids under age 3 with disabilities and we are bracing ourselves for the responses of parents to vaccination and autism diagnoses after she starts.
I have been keeping track of outbreaks of vaccine prevented illnesses for a while now and I notice that many of the children getting these diseases have been vaccinated. You can look at the point in history where diseases started dropping off the map and it's very close to when vaccines were introduced but it lies directly on top of huge leaps in waste management/access to clean water. It isn't as clear as vax/novax. This is an issue we have struggled with from day one. There are many things that make us cautious about vaccines:
1. There are very few studies on large groups that aren't funded or backed in some way by companies or organizations who would make profits off of vaccines. 2. The amount of vaccines that are given at one time. 3. In Tennessee it's either religious exemption or you have to do the full vaccines. The "We give the hep b vaccine to babies because we can make them take it. Where as, once they are adults, and at risk, we can't." isn't reason enough for me. The chickenpox vaccine has to be updated once you are an adult with two vaccines weeks apart. Not only did I not have insurance but I probably wouldn't have went through the hassle of getting these as an adult. As an adult, if you haven't had chicken pox it is likely it will be more severe so I'd rather my boys get chickenpox the old fashioned way though with the vaccine that is becoming harder to do. 4. All of the evil things I've seen in the medical field with supposed benefits to the public and not believing that the CDC/FDA have people's best interest over money at heart.
Personally, I think Jenny McCarthy is a straight up idiot and I wouldn't do anything she suggests. I have spent hours and hours researching vaccines and their side effects, outbreaks and having discussions with every. single. doctor. we come in contact with. It isn't an easy choice for anyone to make and sites like these are worthless. I wonder how many of those children who died were fully vaccinated according to schedule? We continue to reevaluate the vaccines we choose and choose not to get but I'm not going to blindly follow anyone's advice be it doctor or Jenny McCarthy.
I have been keeping track of outbreaks of vaccine prevented illnesses for a while now and I notice that many of the children getting these diseases have been vaccinated. You can look at the point in history where diseases started dropping off the map and it's very close to when vaccines were introduced but it lies directly on top of huge leaps in waste management/access to clean water. It isn't as clear as vax/novax. This is an issue we have struggled with from day one. There are many things that make us cautious about vaccines:
1. There are very few studies on large groups that aren't funded or backed in some way by companies or organizations who would make profits off of vaccines. 2. The amount of vaccines that are given at one time. 3. In Tennessee it's either religious exemption or you have to do the full vaccines. The "We give the hep b vaccine to babies because we can make them take it. Where as, once they are adults, and at risk, we can't." isn't reason enough for me. The chickenpox vaccine has to be updated once you are an adult with two vaccines weeks apart. Not only did I not have insurance but I probably wouldn't have went through the hassle of getting these as an adult. As an adult, if you haven't had chicken pox it is likely it will be more severe so I'd rather my boys get chickenpox the old fashioned way though with the vaccine that is becoming harder to do. 4. All of the evil things I've seen in the medical field with supposed benefits to the public and not believing that the CDC/FDA have people's best interest over money at heart.
Personally, I think Jenny McCarthy is a straight up idiot and I wouldn't do anything she suggests. I have spent hours and hours researching vaccines and their side effects, outbreaks and having discussions with every. single. doctor. we come in contact with. It isn't an easy choice for anyone to make and sites like these are worthless. I wonder how many of those children who died were fully vaccinated according to schedule? We continue to reevaluate the vaccines we choose and choose not to get but I'm not going to blindly follow anyone's advice be it doctor or Jenny McCarthy.
well that particular site looks solely at rates of vaccination vs. rates of vaccine-preventable disease and death so I think the stats are pretty valid.
I have extensively (believe me, as in, hundreds of hours at least) researched this topic. extensively. I have reviewed medical articles in peer-reviewed journals, medical studies, and also when I first started in my career I checked out every single library book on vaccines- pro and con, medical and otherwise. I own Dr. Bob's Vaccine Book (which is, sadly, based on some skewed studies- I know because I looked up the studies). I support alternative schedules if people so choose, but I cannot in good conscience ever support total vaccine refusal.
I just don't think you can argue that vaccines are not effective. Look at smallpox, polio, look at third world countries where the ONLY medical intervention is immunization (not cleaner environment, better food, or better medical care) and the difference it can make.
I don't want to get into a raging debate here and I love you all no matter what, but this is what I do. I'm a Peds nurse manager in primary care, I am responsible for giving immunizations and writing immunization policy. I have written numerous papers and given numerous presentations- this subject is a passion for me. Children today receive about 315 antigens total during the entire immunization series vs. thousands in the '90s. vaccines are safer and more effective than ever.
I believe we will never find the cause of autism (which I feel is multi-factorial, including genetics, environment, and diet) until we stop blaming vaccines and wasting time and resources on study after study that fails to find a link.
when the rotavirus vaccine was linked to intussusception after initial release, it was pulled and re-formulated. vaccines are not part of a government agenda to induce illness but to prevent it.
almost every article a baby comes into contact with has a flame-retardant chemical coating, I think that's more dangerous than vaccines. we're lucky that we've never had to watch dozens of loved ones suffer from a debilitating and often fatal disease like polio- because of immunization. the people who choose not to vaccinate rely on herd immunity and when the numbers dip below a certain point you have infants dying from Hib meningitis, which is vaccine-preventable, as in MN several years ago.
ok, stepping down off my soapbox... sorry for the rant. but this really is so close to my heart.
Oh and if you don't vaccinate your children you are a horrible person and a horrible parent.
I would come down on the side of vaccinations personally (although I have done zero personal research), I don't think it is a black or white issue though.
Oh and if you don't vaccinate your children you are a horrible person and a horrible parent.
that's not how I feel at all, but I do think it's dangerous. however, everyone has the right to their own opinion and parenting practice. I don't spank, breasted for a year, and choose organic foods. I don't judge other parents who make different choices. also, I let my toddler watch TV and play with my iPad, and sometimes I take him to daycare on my day off because I just need a break. I also don't think I'm a terrible parent because I make those choices.
oh yeah, and I take my kids to those dr*g-infested hippie music festivals too
I have been keeping track of outbreaks of vaccine prevented illnesses for a while now and I notice that many of the children getting these diseases have been vaccinated. You can look at the point in history where diseases started dropping off the map and it's very close to when vaccines were introduced but it lies directly on top of huge leaps in waste management/access to clean water. It isn't as clear as vax/novax. This is an issue we have struggled with from day one. There are many things that make us cautious about vaccines:
1. There are very few studies on large groups that aren't funded or backed in some way by companies or organizations who would make profits off of vaccines. 2. The amount of vaccines that are given at one time. 3. In Tennessee it's either religious exemption or you have to do the full vaccines. The "We give the hep b vaccine to babies because we can make them take it. Where as, once they are adults, and at risk, we can't." isn't reason enough for me. The chickenpox vaccine has to be updated once you are an adult with two vaccines weeks apart. Not only did I not have insurance but I probably wouldn't have went through the hassle of getting these as an adult. As an adult, if you haven't had chicken pox it is likely it will be more severe so I'd rather my boys get chickenpox the old fashioned way though with the vaccine that is becoming harder to do. 4. All of the evil things I've seen in the medical field with supposed benefits to the public and not believing that the CDC/FDA have people's best interest over money at heart.
Personally, I think Jenny McCarthy is a straight up idiot and I wouldn't do anything she suggests. I have spent hours and hours researching vaccines and their side effects, outbreaks and having discussions with every. single. doctor. we come in contact with. It isn't an easy choice for anyone to make and sites like these are worthless. I wonder how many of those children who died were fully vaccinated according to schedule? We continue to reevaluate the vaccines we choose and choose not to get but I'm not going to blindly follow anyone's advice be it doctor or Jenny McCarthy.
I have done tons and tons of research on this as well and agree, in the main, with your points #1-4. There are two separate issues though - 1/are vaccines effective for what they're designed to do? and 2/do vaccinations directly lead to other issues such as autism? I would argue the point, though, that many children who get diseases that have an available vaccination were vaccinated against that disease. There are entire unvaccinated populations who contract these diseases, while only some of the contractors were actually vaccinated. After our research so far, we (me and Mrs. Lucien) believe that more children have died from a disease they could have been vaccinated from then there are children who have died from a disease because of/or after they received a vaccination. But you're right - you have to keep asking questions and gathering information.
PS: You have to admit that it's kind of funny that this is all an outgrowth of me having to watch Rachael Ray at the auto shop.
It's so crazy to me that the feelings about vaccines are so strong. I wasnt vaccinated until I was 13. I dont really even remember why we did it then.
But it's not crazy at all. We're talking about what is best for our children - from a life and death standpoint in many ways. Those who don't agree with vaccinations have many valid points and I understand why they believe what they believe generally. Especially with all the information about who funded certain studies, and bad research and, as always - following the money. I'm on the other side, but it is far from black and white.
PS: You have to admit that it's kind of funny that this is all an outgrowth of me having to watch Rachael Ray at the auto shop.
It's better than talking about Rachael Ray
Yeah I mean, $40 in a Day? Yeah, if you don't eat anything remotely interesting from wherever it is you're visiting and you tip like Scottie "No Tippin'" Pippen.
It's so crazy to me that the feelings about vaccines are so strong. I wasnt vaccinated until I was 13. I dont really even remember why we did it then.
But it's not crazy at all. We're talking about what is best for our children - from a life and death standpoint in many ways. Those who don't agree with vaccinations have many valid points and I understand why they believe what they believe generally. Especially with all the information about who funded certain studies, and bad research and, as always - following the money. I'm on the other side, but it is far from black and white.
I meant as someone that wasnt vaccinated, I never saw or heard any arguments for or against it really until the last few years. It just never seemed like a big deal growing up. No one ever made a big deal about it. Schools, doctors, sports organizations or anything.
But it's not crazy at all. We're talking about what is best for our children - from a life and death standpoint in many ways. Those who don't agree with vaccinations have many valid points and I understand why they believe what they believe generally. Especially with all the information about who funded certain studies, and bad research and, as always - following the money. I'm on the other side, but it is far from black and white.
I meant as someone that wasnt vaccinated, I never saw or heard any arguments for or against it really until the last few years. It just never seemed like a big deal growing up. No one ever made a big deal about it. Schools, doctors, sports organizations or anything.
But it's not crazy at all. We're talking about what is best for our children - from a life and death standpoint in many ways. Those who don't agree with vaccinations have many valid points and I understand why they believe what they believe generally. Especially with all the information about who funded certain studies, and bad research and, as always - following the money. I'm on the other side, but it is far from black and white.
I meant as someone that wasnt vaccinated, I never saw or heard any arguments for or against it really until the last few years. It just never seemed like a big deal growing up. No one ever made a big deal about it. Schools, doctors, sports organizations or anything.
It's funny. I signed up for community college, start taking some classes in September - they wouldn't let me get in unless I had proof I was immune to the chicken pox - or had to get two vaccinations in advance of admission.
Left work early last night. Went to drink afterwards until the place closed. Then moved our group to a bridge where we proceeded to drink until the sun came up.
