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I meant as someone that wasnt vaccinated, I never saw or heard any arguments for or against it really until the last few years. It just never seemed like a big deal growing up. No one ever made a big deal about it. Schools, doctors, sports organizations or anything.
It's funny. I signed up for community college, start taking some classes in September - they wouldn't let me get in unless I had proof I was immune to the chicken pox - or had to get two vaccinations in advance of admission.
Ya most colleges these days have a bar of vaccinations you need. Though I can speak for a smaller community college (which I presume does not have much different standards than other colleges), they demanded we get the HepB shot and a few other ones I didn't have when I was younger
Ya for the Universities it comes down to liability and insurance costs. Their liability insurance requires them to require vaccinations to prevent lawsuits against the University if kids get sick
I think those that don't have kids can still make valid entries into this particular debate because it's more of a medical science issue than something that has to be experienced as a parent. It's just much less likely that those without kids have done substantive research on the subject. For example, I knew basically jack sh*t about most parenting issues before Abra got pregnant the first time. I don't know if Banshee has done research about the topic, so I wasn't really responding to that in my post. I was responding to him expressing his opinion in a rude manner which is uncalled for. Both tom and o'neil disagreed with abra's post on the topic, but they put forth ideas that forwarded the discussion while allowing for others to make the decision for themselves based off the information that they have found.
I took it as a sarcastic post but did think it needed responding to, since I obviously don't have that opinion. I think anyone who makes a conscious effort to parent their children and love them is doing it right, whatever form that may take. there's a saying that's something like, there's no way to be a perfect parent but a million ways to be a great one.
Post by Dave Maynar on Aug 16, 2013 20:04:27 GMT -5
Onto another topic, I may have the opportunity to switch to a four day work week (same hours, just compressed into 4 days). Does anyone have any experience with this? Pluses and minuses? Aside from having a three day weekend every week, I also drive ~35 minutes (20 miles) each way to work, so the potential savings on gas would be a big plus.
Onto another topic, I may have the opportunity to switch to a four day work week (same hours, just compressed into 4 days). Does anyone have any experience with this? Pluses and minuses? Aside from having a three day weekend every week, I also drive ~35 minutes (20 miles) each way to work, so the potential savings on gas would be a big plus.
Is the whole office switching or just you? I could see an advantage to having two hours a day to work on things in disturbed.
But, extending a work week two hours a day would lead to many longer weekends and has savings. I can't see the disadvantages.
Onto another topic, I may have the opportunity to switch to a four day work week (same hours, just compressed into 4 days). Does anyone have any experience with this? Pluses and minuses? Aside from having a three day weekend every week, I also drive ~35 minutes (20 miles) each way to work, so the potential savings on gas would be a big plus.
Onto another topic, I may have the opportunity to switch to a four day work week (same hours, just compressed into 4 days). Does anyone have any experience with this? Pluses and minuses? Aside from having a three day weekend every week, I also drive ~35 minutes (20 miles) each way to work, so the potential savings on gas would be a big plus.
Is the whole office switching or just you? I could see an advantage to having two hours a day to work on things in disturbed.
But, extending a work week two hours a day would lead to many longer weekends and has savings. I can't see the disadvantages.
It's just me. My job doesn't have the best pay on earth, but they balance it out where they can with schedule flexibility and such. For example, I posted on my facebook yesterday that I put in my vacation request for Roo. Realistically, that just involves putting it in my outlook calender because no vacation ever gets turned down.
I took it as a sarcastic post but did think it needed responding to, since I obviously don't have that opinion. I think anyone who makes a conscious effort to parent their children and love them is doing it right, whatever form that may take. there's a saying that's something like, there's no way to be a perfect parent but a million ways to be a great one.
Onto another topic, I may have the opportunity to switch to a four day work week (same hours, just compressed into 4 days). Does anyone have any experience with this? Pluses and minuses? Aside from having a three day weekend every week, I also drive ~35 minutes (20 miles) each way to work, so the potential savings on gas would be a big plus.
Do it! No experience, just seems awesome.
They were talking about doing this for state employees a couple of years ago, and I was really hoping they would, but they didn't. Josh said he's done it before and really liked it.
Is the whole office switching or just you? I could see an advantage to having two hours a day to work on things in disturbed.
But, extending a work week two hours a day would lead to many longer weekends and has savings. I can't see the disadvantages.
It's just me. My job doesn't have the best pay on earth, but they balance it out where they can with schedule flexibility and such. For example, I posted on my facebook yesterday that I put in my vacation request for Roo. Realistically, that just involves putting it in my outlook calender because no vacation ever gets turned down.
I've been on 4 10's for almost as many years. As long as your family situation is cool with it I find having an extra day off during the week for car appointments, dentist, grocery shopping etc. leads me to have two FULL days off.
And with flexible scheduling you can conceivably only take one vacation day for 'Roo (IE: Work Mon-Wed and Thursday as vacation) with the next workweek starting Tuesday to Friday. It all depends on your pay periods but it makes life much easier in my experience.
Onto another topic, I may have the opportunity to switch to a four day work week (same hours, just compressed into 4 days). Does anyone have any experience with this? Pluses and minuses? Aside from having a three day weekend every week, I also drive ~35 minutes (20 miles) each way to work, so the potential savings on gas would be a big plus.
I think it's a great idea. Is it really the same hours? My friend's workload kept him working five tens for forty hours of pay, and when they offered him the option of going to four tens, he jumped on it. And yeah, cutting down the commute is awesome -- you go from 350 minutes of weekly commute to 280.
There's also the fact that running errands during the day takes a lot less time than doing them at night or on weekends. I'm self-employed and my wife and I grocery shop at, like, 1:00 on Tuesday afternoons, when there's no line, no waiting. So having the day on Friday to take care of business can save you a lot of time at night/on weekends.
Oh and if you don't vaccinate your children you are a horrible person and a horrible parent.
What a disgustingly closed-minded thing to say. What the hell is the matter with you?
You don't even have any kids, do you?
EDIT: were you being sarcastic? I sure hope so
First off, f*ck you. What the hell is the matter with you, buddy? I have an opinion on the topic, and that's it. No it isn't "disgustingly close-minded". I didn't know I needed kids to have an opinion, but I guess for what it's worth I did spend 3 years raising two children who aren't biologically mine, who I still devote a lot of my time to till this day.
The whole anti-vaccination movement is a huge load of shit. You know why these people even have the ability to protest vaccines? Because vaccination has eradicated numerous horrible diseases. Go to an undeveloped country and see how many people there would turn down a vaccine for tetanus or smallpox or whatever else. When you refuse to vaccinate your child(ren) you aren't just endangering them, but you're endangering your entire community. Look at the measles outbreak in the UK, it was spurred on by parents refusing to vaccinate their children, therefor hindering progress toward reaching herd immunity (95% I believe). Look at Washington state, there is a large anti-vaccine movement there and there is also a 10 times higher rate of deaths attributed to whooping-cough. The whole damn movement is based on idiocracy and misunderstandings.
A vaccine carries a very minimal risk, compared to the horrible risks associated with the diseases it's going to prevent. So please, vaccinations aren't just about you and your children, it's about all the children they are in contact with as well. Or you know, continue to take parenting advice from Jenny McCarthy.
What a disgustingly closed-minded thing to say. What the hell is the matter with you?
You don't even have any kids, do you?
EDIT: were you being sarcastic? I sure hope so
First off, f*ck you. What the hell is the matter with you, buddy? I have an opinion on the topic, and that's it. No it isn't "disgustingly close-minded". I didn't know I needed kids to have an opinion, but I guess for what it's worth I did spend 3 years raising two children who aren't biologically mine, who I still devote a lot of my time to till this day.
The whole anti-vaccination movement is a huge load of shiz. You know why these people even have the ability to protest vaccines? Because vaccination has eradicated numerous horrible diseases. Go to an undeveloped country and see how many people there would turn down a vaccine for tetanus or smallpox or whatever else. When you refuse to vaccinate your child(ren) you aren't just endangering them, but you're endangering your entire community. Look at the measles outbreak in the UK, it was spurred on by parents refusing to vaccinate their children, therefor hindering progress toward reaching herd immunity (95% I believe). Look at Washington state, there is a large anti-vaccine movement there and there is also a 10 times higher rate of deaths attributed to whooping-cough. The whole damn movement is based on idiocracy and misunderstandings.
A vaccine carries a very minimal risk, compared to the horrible risks associated with the diseases it's going to prevent. So please, vaccinations aren't just about you and your children, it's about all the children they are in contact with as well. Or you know, continue to take parenting advice from Jenny McCarthy.
You don't seem to get it. My issue isn't with your opinion, my issue is with the asinine statement you made about anybody who disagrees with you being terrible parents and terrible people. That's just idiotic. I know several very good parents who have made an informed decision not to vaccinate.
You don't seem to get it. My issue isn't with your opinion, my issue is with the asinine statement you made about anybody who disagrees with you being terrible parents and terrible people. That's just idiotic. I know several very good parents who have made an informed decision not to vaccinate.
So I should have phrased it like "If you don't vaccinate you are making a very irresponsible decision"? I think that as well. I think most everyone here is familiar enough with me personally or just on through my posting here on board to know that I'm a pretty nice and laid back dude who isn't trying to offend anyone, but I do stand by saying not-vaccinating your children is a BAD parental move. I can see the merit in spanking or not spanking, breast feeding or bottle feeding, and basically any other "parental decision" where there are opposing sides; but vaccinating is one thing I truly think is bad parental move. Saying "terrible people" was a bit of an exaggeration, but endangering your child plus numerous other people/children isn't something I can condone in any way. And I do apologize if that offends anyone because that certainly isn't my intent, I am just sharing my opinion, much like everyone else has been doing.
Post by A$AP Rosko on Aug 16, 2013 22:37:47 GMT -5
Sharing your opinion is one thing, judging anybody who has also done research and come to a different conclusion and calling them a "terrible person" is an entirely different matter. I'm not trying to get into this debate, I just think that to call anybody on the other side "terrible" or even "irresponsible" is some Sean Hannity-esque bullsh*t. That's my whole point.
Onto another topic, I may have the opportunity to switch to a four day work week (same hours, just compressed into 4 days). Does anyone have any experience with this? Pluses and minuses? Aside from having a three day weekend every week, I also drive ~35 minutes (20 miles) each way to work, so the potential savings on gas would be a big plus.
I like having Fridays off. Especially with a job like mine, it's nice to have a three day weekend.
I wasn't going to post anything else on this topic since I am a peacemaker at heart, but I just wanted to say that I think the bottom line is whether people choose to vaccinate or not, and whether it's right or not, they are all making the decisions they do from a place of love for their children.
obviously, I believe in vaccines and I hate to see kids get sick or even die from vaccine-preventable illnesses, but calling parents who don't vaccinate terrible people is not the right thing either, because they're not.
there's a lot of other parenting choices I may not personally agree with that can place children in danger: moving a child to a forward-facing car seat before at least age 2, forgoing helmets, even feeding them junk food every day. but that doesn't mean I think those parents are bad people, they are just making decisions I don't support. and that's okay- like I said, and as others have obviously made clear, there are parenting decisions I make that other people don't support and don't choose for their children.
there's enough pressure to not screw up your kids- we should all be supporting each other as parents, not tearing each other down.
I wasn't going to post anything else on this topic since I am a peacemaker at heart, but I just wanted to say that I think the bottom line is whether people choose to vaccinate or not, and whether it's right or not, they are all making the decisions they do from a place of love for their children.
obviously, I believe in vaccines and I hate to see kids get sick or even die from vaccine-preventable illnesses, but calling parents who don't vaccinate terrible people is not the right thing either, because they're not.
there's a lot of other parenting choices I may not personally agree with that can place children in danger: moving a child to a forward-facing car seat before at least age 2, forgoing helmets, even feeding them junk food every day. but that doesn't mean I think those parents are bad people, they are just making decisions I don't support. and that's okay- like I said, and as others have obviously made clear, there are parenting decisions I make that other people don't support and don't choose for their children.
there's enough pressure to not screw up your kids- we should all be supporting each other as parents, not tearing each other down.
I think parents tearing each other down is such a widespread phenomena today. Every parent who cares at all about what they are doing has some anxiety related to their parenting. It's a huge responsibility, and you always feel like you are lacking in some area. I think it causes some people to go overboard when they defend their positions on parenting issues because you need that boost to your ego sometimes that you are the one making the right choice. Unfortunately, it gets out of hand sometimes and that is really unfortunate. Like you said, it ultimately comes down to what each parent decides to do and what they think is best for their children. As long as it is coming from a legitimate feeling of love and concern, you really can't make a wrong decision.
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