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Post by bansheebeat on Aug 17, 2013 7:56:31 GMT -5
I have the most absurd nightmares. Last night, for instance, I dreamt that I was making scrambled eggs and forgot to put butter in the pan. I woke up in a bit of a panic.
I have been keeping track of outbreaks of vaccine prevented illnesses for a while now and I notice that many of the children getting these diseases have been vaccinated. You can look at the point in history where diseases started dropping off the map and it's very close to when vaccines were introduced but it lies directly on top of huge leaps in waste management/access to clean water. It isn't as clear as vax/novax. This is an issue we have struggled with from day one. There are many things that make us cautious about vaccines:
1. There are very few studies on large groups that aren't funded or backed in some way by companies or organizations who would make profits off of vaccines. 2. The amount of vaccines that are given at one time. 3. In Tennessee it's either religious exemption or you have to do the full vaccines. The "We give the hep b vaccine to babies because we can make them take it. Where as, once they are adults, and at risk, we can't." isn't reason enough for me. The chickenpox vaccine has to be updated once you are an adult with two vaccines weeks apart. Not only did I not have insurance but I probably wouldn't have went through the hassle of getting these as an adult. As an adult, if you haven't had chicken pox it is likely it will be more severe so I'd rather my boys get chickenpox the old fashioned way though with the vaccine that is becoming harder to do. 4. All of the evil things I've seen in the medical field with supposed benefits to the public and not believing that the CDC/FDA have people's best interest over money at heart.
Personally, I think Jenny McCarthy is a straight up idiot and I wouldn't do anything she suggests. I have spent hours and hours researching vaccines and their side effects, outbreaks and having discussions with every. single. doctor. we come in contact with. It isn't an easy choice for anyone to make and sites like these are worthless. I wonder how many of those children who died were fully vaccinated according to schedule? We continue to reevaluate the vaccines we choose and choose not to get but I'm not going to blindly follow anyone's advice be it doctor or Jenny McCarthy.
well that particular site looks solely at rates of vaccination vs. rates of vaccine-preventable disease and death so I think the stats are pretty valid.
I have extensively (believe me, as in, hundreds of hours at least) researched this topic. extensively. I have reviewed medical articles in peer-reviewed journals, medical studies, and also when I first started in my career I checked out every single library book on vaccines- pro and con, medical and otherwise. I own Dr. Bob's Vaccine Book (which is, sadly, based on some skewed studies- I know because I looked up the studies). I support alternative schedules if people so choose, but I cannot in good conscience ever support total vaccine refusal.
I just don't think you can argue that vaccines are not effective. Look at smallpox, polio, look at third world countries where the ONLY medical intervention is immunization (not cleaner environment, better food, or better medical care) and the difference it can make.
I don't want to get into a raging debate here and I love you all no matter what, but this is what I do. I'm a Peds nurse manager in primary care, I am responsible for giving immunizations and writing immunization policy. I have written numerous papers and given numerous presentations- this subject is a passion for me. Children today receive about 315 antigens total during the entire immunization series vs. thousands in the '90s. vaccines are safer and more effective than ever.
I believe we will never find the cause of autism (which I feel is multi-factorial, including genetics, environment, and diet) until we stop blaming vaccines and wasting time and resources on study after study that fails to find a link.
when the rotavirus vaccine was linked to intussusception after initial release, it was pulled and re-formulated. vaccines are not part of a government agenda to induce illness but to prevent it.
almost every article a baby comes into contact with has a flame-frittatant chemical coating, I think that's more dangerous than vaccines. we're lucky that we've never had to watch dozens of loved ones suffer from a debilitating and often fatal disease like polio- because of immunization. the people who choose not to vaccinate rely on herd immunity and when the numbers dip below a certain point you have infants dying from Hib meningitis, which is vaccine-preventable, as in MN several years ago.
ok, stepping down off my soapbox... sorry for the rant. but this really is so close to my heart.
I appreciate your post and would love to sit and chat with you about this topic and others. I tried to express in my previous post that Tennessee laws makes it hard for us to pick and choose which vaxes we would like to get because, like I said, it's an all or nothing state. Many Doctors don't want to risk liability by spreading out the schedule or by letting a patient refusing some vaccines like pox or hep b.
That said, we have jumped through many hoops and done other things to protect our kids. We homeschool both of them, do not have them around babies or elderly, and I nursed both kids extensively. We reevaluate our position on certain vaccines quite often and have been through 5 different doctor's practices because no one would discuss the issue with us and were unwilling/unable to answer questions about several of the studies we have come across. I don't have to defend my parenting but I've gotten pretty used to it. Everything from extended nursing, to pacifiers, homeschooling, anti-circing, car-seats, attachment parenting, not using punishment/rewards has come under fire. If someone really knows their stuff they will be willing to discuss a topic not make blanket statements about positions they haven't been in.
Post by wannaberoo'ing on Aug 17, 2013 13:37:41 GMT -5
It's really quite bizarre when a thirty-something year old man asks if you want to hear some of the music he likes and starts to play his music on his smart phone (I don't own one of those fancy contraptions, I don't know for sure what to call it) and the noise that comes out of the phone is the worst music I have ever heard in my life. No, really, I had my head cocked like a dog as I was being forced to listen because I really couldn't tell if my ears were failing me. The songs sounded like stuff my 12-year-old niece would listen to; songs about really silly subject matter; it's really hard for me to explain just how awful this was. Undeniably awful stuff (and I very rarely laugh at people's music tastes but this was just so laughably bad).
One band was called The Summerset (I think?) and another he liked was called something 3(something)3. I can't remember! It was all bad. Horrible experience. *Shudder*
It's really quite bizarre when a thirty-something year old man asks if you want to hear some of the music he likes and starts to play his music on his smart phone (I don't own one of those fancy contraptions, I don't know for sure what to call it) and the noise that comes out of the phone is the worst music I have ever heard in my life. No, really, I had my head cocked like a dog as I was being forced to listen because I really couldn't tell if my ears were failing me. The songs sounded like stuff my 12-year-old niece would listen to; songs about really silly subject matter; it's really hard for me to explain just how awful this was. Undeniably awful stuff (and I very rarely laugh at people's music tastes but this was just so laughably bad).
One band was called The Summerset (I think?) and another he liked was called something 3(something)3. I can't remember! It was all bad. Horrible experience. *Shudder*
That's the exact opposite from the experience I just had. I'm at work and Let it Be was playing on the radio and a woman commented on how it was the one of the most uplifting songs ever. I told her one of the greatest experiences in my life was seeing so many people sing along with it at Bonnaroo. She said her biggest concert regret was not going to 'roo last year to see Radiohead. Then she proceeded to tell me she saw the Beatles twice. Lucky.
I appreciate your post and would love to sit and chat with you about this topic and others. I tried to express in my previous post that Tennessee laws makes it hard for us to pick and choose which vaxes we would like to get because, like I said, it's an all or nothing state. Many Doctors don't want to risk liability by spreading out the schedule or by letting a patient refusing some vaccines like pox or hep b.
That said, we have jumped through many hoops and done other things to protect our kids. We homeschool both of them, do not have them around babies or elderly, and I nursed both kids extensively. We reevaluate our position on certain vaccines quite often and have been through 5 different doctor's practices because no one would discuss the issue with us and were unwilling/unable to answer questions about several of the studies we have come across. I don't have to defend my parenting but I've gotten pretty used to it. Everything from extended nursing, to pacifiers, homeschooling, anti-circing, car-seats, attachment parenting, not using punishment/rewards has come under fire. If someone really knows their stuff they will be willing to discuss a topic not make blanket statements about positions they haven't been in.
I am also aways open to discussion and can appreciate other viewpoints. I fully support alternative vaccine schedules and even went so far as to develop two alternate schedules for immunization. both still falling within ACIP guidelines but reducing the number of vaccines at each visit, one with combination vaccines as per the standard schedule and one with individual component vaccines as much as possible. and if kids aren't in daycare/school then they can pretty much set their own schedule as far as I'm concerned; I'd rather they vaccinate partially than not at all. I hate that you guys haven't been able to find a pediatrician willing to work with you at all, that's truly a shame. you're always welcome to come to my practice in Greenville SC!
also, I think it's great that you homeschool, I would likely be rubbish at it but I have several friends who do it and it works for their families. and that's what I was trying to say earlier- it's about finding what works for you, your children and your family and that's different for everyone.
Edit: side note: I am a fan of AP as well although everyone has their own style
clearly, it's just a case of the man trying to keep someone with such a magnificent name down:
"Beezow explained that his first name represents 'the explosion of awareness of the interconnectedness of the infinite love in the universe.' Doo-doo 'is the struggle of our daily lives with that awareness, that with love comes chaos,' and Zopittybop-bop-bop 'is the outcome of that struggle, which is often ironic, especially because all life ends in death.'"
Yesterday my mom and I went to this place called top golf. It's a super awesome driving range with food and beer and such. The best part is every ball you hit has a sensor inside. If you make it into one of the large net target holes that are at varying distances, you get so many points and it tells you how far your ball went Pretty cool.
my mom used to open all the blinds, turn on all the lights, pull off my blankets, turn up music and yell until I got out of bed... then I would go into my bathroom, lock the door, turn the shower on cold water and go back to sleep on my bathroom floor.
when I lived with my grandparents, my grandfather would literally pour a pitcher of water and ice on my head. every. morning. until I started getting up on my own. nothing like waking up super pissed off every morning for motivation.
When I lived with my grandparents, my grandfather would literally pour a pitcher of water and ice on my head. every. morning. until I started getting up on my own. nothing like waking up super pissed off every morning for motivation.
My dad maintained this process in middle school subsequently stopping me from ever being able to sleep past 9am, even now I can't do it.
02/08 Tool 02/11 Jeff Mangum 02/17 of Montreal 02/29 Blind Pilot 03/31 The Naked & The Famous 05/14 M83 and I Break Horses 05/19 Flaming Lips, Young the Giant, Dawes and AWOLNATION 06/07 Bonnaroo 2012!!! 06/13 Roger Waters 07/28 Toadies
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