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Also, as far as the sand goes, that was a last minute fix to try and keep the dust kicking up from the dirt. They tried to plant new grass all over the grounds but the company that did it planted the wrong seed and it did not grow (it was a grass that can't grow in the TN summer). That is why there was sand this year and even in places like the Brooers Festival there was sod grass that did not even take to the ground, it was put down at the last min so there would be some grass. I would definitely guess that there will be no sand and more grass next year.
if you're talking about inside the tents, hasn't the sand been there for a couple years? imho, it is the best thing that they've tried in there. prime example of why they need sand in there and not artificial turf: about 2 songs into deerhunter on thursday a guy next to me puked a couple times. his friends pulled him out and everyone around started kicking sand onto it to soak/cover it up. eventually people came and stood in that spot. could you imagine how nasty some artificial turf would get by the end of the weekend?
At least since '09 (maybe '08 but I just don't remember) they've had sand in the tents. Maybe they did try and plant grass like timbuckroo said, but there has been sand there fer a few years now. And blueslikehail has a great point. I've seen the same thing with people blowin' chunks in these crowded areas, I'd rather be able to brush some sand over it than step and possible slip in vomit covered grass.
That is exactly why the sand is there. I talk to the groundskeeper out there pretty regularly and the mud that would collect under the tents is the number one reason for the sand. It actually started first in This Tent back in 08 and then they put it in That and The Other the following year. (This Tent is the one right to the right as you come through the main arch, correct?)
It doesn't necessarily mean they need to get the screens this year if they are indeed buying the land, but you can't say that it wouldn't be a good addition so I don't really understand why you would argue against it?
And also, you are fantastic at putting words in peoples mouths. He didnt say anything on that nice little list you made, he just said that the festival is quickly becoming one of the biggest on the planet (though most certainly not THE biggest) and they need to act accordingly. He never said anything about electronic music or less jam music but you're so bitter about that fact that SOME people want those things that you feel the need to bring it up in a thread where it is 100% not relevant.
Hmm where did I say that he said that? I did point out it was requested all the time by people on here, talk about putting words in someone's mouth. It does get old with people complaining about what Bonnaroo could be, and that they have stopped enjoying what it is. Don't act like what I said just came out of nowhere, because lets be fair it comes up all the time in music threads.
I am not bitter the day it is finally not for me I will just start going to AllGood, and the Phish festivals I always skip for Bonnaroo. I am just personally a lot happier with a diverse line up, than I will ever be with one that passes the "pitchfork" test, or one that uses gimmicky reunions or nostalgia acts. If becoming a "world class" festival means that we lose the things I like about Bonnaroo I am against it, and that was the point I was trying to make.
Ah yes of course. Because we all know that no one can genuinely like music that Pitchfork endorses. It's all just to be COOOOOOOOL. That train of though is just as condescending as the actual hipsters that you mock. I don't know exactly what you would "lose" out on by them adding a few more under the radar electronic acts to the lineup, or them adding screens to the tent? You KNOW that the jam acts aren't going anywhere so why even mention it? You'll still have those same 20 jam bands roo and every other jam fest recycles each year, so whats the big deal if they book Mount Kimbie and Aphex Twin instead of Bassnectar and Girl Talk? It would probably honestly keep the sell-out crowds farther away...
and as far as the whole not wanting gimmicky reunions, you probably enjoyed the hell out of Buffalo Springfield so what exactly are you talking about?
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...I don't know exactly what you would "lose" out on by them adding a few more under the radar electronic acts to the lineup, or them adding screens to the tent?...Aphex Twin instead of Bassnectar and Girl Talk? It would probably honestly keep the sell-out crowds farther away...
and as far as the whole not wanting gimmicky reunions, you probably enjoyed the hell out of Buffalo Springfield so what exactly are you talking about?
I'm pretty sure Aphex Twin is not "under the radar." Maybe you weren't tryin' to say they are and my shortenin' of your quote changes what you tryin' to say. If so, my mistake.
And Buffalo Springfield didn't reunite just fer 'Roo. First show back together was the Bridge School Benefit and then they had some tour dates in June before our beloved festival. So I don't think that they really count as a gimmicky reunion.
...I don't know exactly what you would "lose" out on by them adding a few more under the radar electronic acts to the lineup, or them adding screens to the tent?...Aphex Twin instead of Bassnectar and Girl Talk? It would probably honestly keep the sell-out crowds farther away...
and as far as the whole not wanting gimmicky reunions, you probably enjoyed the hell out of Buffalo Springfield so what exactly are you talking about?
I'm pretty sure Aphex Twin is not "under the radar." Maybe you weren't tryin' to say they are and my shortenin' of your quote changes what you tryin' to say. If so, my mistake.
And Buffalo Springfield didn't reunite just fer 'Roo. First show back together was the Bridge School Benefit and then they had some tour dates in June before our beloved festival. So I don't think that they really count as a gimmicky reunion.
I mean, I think Aphex Twin is a big name, but not necessarily one that your average person knows or listens to. He's huge in the electronic scene, but nobody else really knows much about him (though they may have heard his name) outside of it. He definitely does not have the mainstream draw or popularity today as, say, Bassnectar. I know that he's not "underground" or anything but he's definitely only well known by those that already love electronic music.
Annnnnd as far as BS being a gimmicky reunion, I feel like it is just as gimmicky as any other reunion you can refer to. I didn't really mean it as a negative, just trying to use the same words as Jess did. I don't really know what "gimmicky" reunions he was referring to in the first place, but as far as reunions go, BS could definitely be perceived at that. They were essentially one hit wonders and the only people who really are familiar with their 3 albums these days are those who are somewhat die hard Neil or Stephen fans. Therefore, it could be seen as, "do you like Neil Young or Stephen Stills? Then come to Bonnaroo to see the band that started it all!" or something like that. It's not the way I feel, but it COULD be viewed as gimmicky.
But it's really just nitpicking at my argument. My point remains the same, which is that Jess is all for changes to the festival and will criticize you for being closed-minded if you disagree with the changes HE likes and agrees with, but as soon as you mention something he disagrees with he will criticize you for not "allowing yourself to enjoy the festival" or whatever he says. I just thinks it's really frustrating to read because it's so unbelievably hypocritical. He's into genre expansion when it includes genres he likes but thinks that it's asking for "special treatment" just to get fresh acts in genres he doesn't care for or care about. Not to mention he acted like it was ridiculous for people who like EDM to suggest that they bring back the lunar stage or something like it again next year, saying stuff like "why do you deserve your own stage?" like it's an idea that WE came up with and not something that Bonnaroo has made a standard over a few years (Arcade, Lunar Stage, etc.).
It was great to flip my sneakers off and dig my feet into the sand.
After long days walking on gravel paths in the campgrounds and dry hard dirt over the traffic areas of centeroo. It does feel good to stand on some soft sand. Keep the sand.
Personally i rather have more shade and better art installations around centeroo before I get screens at ALL the tents.
Yeah I actually love the sand. And I guess the reason I am into the idea of screens at the tents probably stems from my average height. I never really had a problem until this year though when virtually every show was packed so if I got to the tent even 10 minutes before the band started I'd have a really hard time seeing.
But we definitely do need better ART at the Bonnaroo Music and ARTS festival
That is exactly why the sand is there. I talk to the groundskeeper out there pretty regularly and the mud that would collect under the tents is the number one reason for the sand. It actually started first in This Tent back in 08 and then they put it in That and The Other the following year. (This Tent is the one right to the right as you come through the main arch, correct?)
I think sTent, as it was called this year, is by the Which stage and That Tent is the one to the right of the main Arch entrance. Sand is okay, elevated stages would be nice, flat screens would be good, more Art is needed.
They need to figure out a way to grade the floors under the tents (in other words, have them slope from front to back slightly). If you aren't like 6 foot 2+, you can barely see the band, if at all, unless you get really close to the front. I'm 5'10" and after the last 3 years, I am really getting tired of not being able to see 90% of the shows in the tents. I can't imagine what it's like for average girls (about 5 foot 4 or so), they probably can't see anything if they are in the middle or back of the crowd. Video screens (1 above the stage, 1 on the back of the tent under the neon sign) would fix this problem, too. If the LED screens are too expensive, then they could pretty cheaply get a projector screen above the stage, with the projector itself hanging down from the ceiling. That would cost no more than $3000/stage for installation and would make a world of difference.
Option #3 would be to raise the stage about a foot or two higher off the ground.
Post by NotMitchelBade on Aug 14, 2011 12:00:58 GMT -5
I actually had trouble seeing at a few shows this year, and I'm 6'1. Although, that World Cup showing was downright terrible. My buddy, who is 6'2, and I went with another friend who is probably 5'4 or so. He left immediately (he's not a huge soccer fan like the 2 of us, but still). We stuck around for the game, but could barely see anything at all. I guess soccer fans are just tall, but it was really weird. I suddenly understood what shows must be like for people who are shorter than I am.
Post by Enlightened1 on Aug 16, 2011 14:10:04 GMT -5
Screens on the outsides of the tents really seem like a minor cost, that would be six screens when you include the comedy and movie tents if you just put one big one at each. Even at a cost of 5,000 each which I think as cheap as todays sets are is alot that would be a minor investment for the benefit. I mean I would love more shade too but that is not always an easily solved issue vs cost.
But it's really just nitpicking at my argument. My point remains the same, which is that Jess is all for changes to the festival and will criticize you for being closed-minded if you disagree with the changes HE likes and agrees with, but as soon as you mention something he disagrees with he will criticize you for not "allowing yourself to enjoy the festival" or whatever he says. I just thinks it's really frustrating to read because it's so unbelievably hypocritical. He's into genre expansion when it includes genres he likes but thinks that it's asking for "special treatment" just to get fresh acts in genres he doesn't care for or care about. Not to mention he acted like it was ridiculous for people who like EDM to suggest that they bring back the lunar stage or something like it again next year, saying stuff like "why do you deserve your own stage?" like it's an idea that WE came up with and not something that Bonnaroo has made a standard over a few years (Arcade, Lunar Stage, etc.).
LOL wut? I never said any of that dude you need to stop putting words into my mouth. I did not say a word about the Lunar until afterwards, and I do not care what they were playing the sound bleed was terrible, the Green Day at 10:00 am was worse, and to top it off I could not here Conans rebroadcast on it very well.
I have said having a all electronica venue bigger than the Arcade is not something I would care for them to spend money on with all the other issues that could use attention, also pointing out that I would not mind more DJ's but they should just start putting them in the daylight as well.
So to sum up all I have said is that the Lunar sucked, and I do not think they should expand the Electronica at the expense of other acts, because personally I like diversity. You are the one getting all butthurt about crap.
Screens on the outsides of the tents really seem like a minor cost, that would be six screens when you include the comedy and movie tents if you just put one big one at each. Even at a cost of 5,000 each which I think as cheap as todays sets are is alot that would be a minor investment for the benefit. I mean I would love more shade too but that is not always an easily solved issue vs cost.
Broadcast quality screens cost a lot more than that, not sure how big the ones they use are but here is a recent article where 4 12x22 foot screens cost 1.6 million, so try half a million a screen or more I am pretty sure the ones they have are already bigger than that.
Post by Chris Major on Aug 16, 2011 23:12:37 GMT -5
Perry's stage at Lollapalooza this year was definitely 5 or so feet higher than the tent stages at Bonnaroo, and it made a world of difference. I could see the stage from basically anywhere in there.
Post by thisismyname on Aug 21, 2011 17:49:00 GMT -5
In regards to screens... let's not forget that someone actually has to film the stage for their to be footage to put on the screens. It's not like literally all they have to do is rent a couple projectors and screens and call it a day. Yes, there are a lot of camera crews that already do a lot of those shows, but most events will have a separate team to do the screens.
Still not a big expense in the grand scheme of things, but just saying.
That is exactly why the sand is there. I talk to the groundskeeper out there pretty regularly and the mud that would collect under the tents is the number one reason for the sand. It actually started first in This Tent back in 08 and then they put it in That and The Other the following year. (This Tent is the one right to the right as you come through the main arch, correct?)
I think sTent, as it was called this year, is by the Which stage and That Tent is the one to the right of the main Arch entrance. Sand is okay, elevated stages would be nice, flat screens would be good, more Art is needed.
all of this.. And the insistence the Art Institute never returns.....
Sand was AWESOME! Didn't have to deal with the massive amount of dust that existed everywhere else.
I'd like it if they added some high pass speakers to the back of This. All the bass carries far for the larger sets but none of the highs really make it to the back and to those who are outside the tents.
Post by eltopherino on Nov 29, 2011 2:21:19 GMT -5
All the lights on the neon signs don't work all the time because they cycle the power to the lights to conserve energy... neon signs are almost pointless during the day anyway, so its definitely a great way to avoid unnessessary energy usage. As for sand under the tents, it'd be dumb not to have it at this point, with the obvious potential mud and dust issues. I think they should put in more sand pits on the sides of all the tents, soft beach style sand is much more comfortable to walk and sit on than the dusty grass ruins that end up covering centeroo by the end of the weekend. As for the screens, would be nice, but would definitely cost more than they wanna drop on improving the tents, but raising the stages is a great idea... It's a music festival, not a stage proformance festival, who can see music anyway? The crowd and the music is the most important part of Bonnaroo, so what if you can't see the stage
Post by bonnarooshoe on Nov 29, 2011 13:31:55 GMT -5
This suggestion isn't really for the tents but for centerroo but I was volunteering at Orlando Calling and they had these Camelbak hydration stations and I think they would be muchhh better/faster then the existing 'filtered' watered stations. one hose can fill up a camelbak and like 5 seconds... I think bonnaroo should drop wheat thins and try and get camelbak as a sponsor.
Back to the topic i like the tents the way they are... if you are too far away you can't see the stage... move closer. I would love some huge fans/misters just have to do it so no mist blows back to the stage/speakers/lights.
I think they should make the lunar stage a tent/enclosed tent? I liked the idea of it and was sad that it was gone last year but if they lowered the volume and put it in a tent it would be a cool add on (better then the big blow up slide/food trucks imo)
Don't rag on the grubmobiles! They were comparably priced to all the vendors and provided tastier, more satisfying, and likely healthier food than the Strawberry Fields vendors.
Personally, I enjoyed the change to sand. better than a muddy mess from drinks/piss/rain. I can't understand why people wouldn't like it.
I would love it if the stage was a little higher, or the crowd area had a slight decline towards the stage. I'm 6'2" so I have had no problems seeing, but my gf is 5'6" and couldn't see any of the bands on stage. I also have a few shorter buddies who had troubles seeing the stage, no matter where we were located in the tent.