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We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
This happened last game too. It creeped me out and I wasn't even playing.
last game that was actually me as inspector. i was out of town for the weekend at a good friend's wedding and didn't have enough time to read through etc.
Post by krunchykat on Sept 12, 2011 17:17:38 GMT -5
I'll do the same. I'm gonna think about the Mafia whack while I'm gone this evening; hopefully there will be some discussion about things when I get back.
Post by NothingButFlowers on Sept 12, 2011 17:19:53 GMT -5
So, any thoughts on noage's death? He only had two posts in the thread. One voting for Mike D and one for LLL. I'm a little curious about the fact that LLL twice called into question noage's reasoning for voting for her and he didn't respond to her at all.
I'm also interested in Scrog's big last minute vote change. It seems kind of grand and blatant to be a mafia move, but I think if there's one thing Scrog has established, it's that he's a bit of a wild card.
i agree NBF.....but i was wondering if that was too "out in the open"? noage has never been a huge discusser.
i'd say though, between LLL and mikeD, we'd need to be more suspicious of LLL since mikeD was probably just noage's first round partner.
True. I don't think first round mafia kills are ever as helpful as we'd like them to be, but I figured we might as well talk about it.
I did think that Mike D and noage had previously been voting partners, so I didn't think much of that.
As far as LLL, the only thing she's done at all that strikes me as vaguely suspicious is having a rather high vote count without really saying much (see posts # 33-35, 72), which could possibly be seen as just trying to keep her count up so she doesn't get called out for being quiet. But I think her posting history is pretty similar to all her past games, regardless of whether she was mafia, so I'm not sure how much to make of it.
I think I was more concerned about the Scrog thing. Of course, if Scrog was mafia saving his fellow mafia, that would implicate LLL as well, but it would also raise the questions: (1) why would he have put her in the runoff in the first place (I guess the obvious answer to that one would be to separate himself from his cohort early on, but still, seems risky); and (2) wouldn't it have been better when they realized she was getting voted off to just cut their losses and let her go, rather than having Scrog make a last-minute change like that? Which is kind of what I was getting at when I said it seemed awfully grand and blatant to be a mafia move. Still, it seems a little weird for him to have turned on LD at the last minute like that.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
This happened last game too. It creeped me out and I wasn't even playing.
last game that was actually me as inspector. i was out of town for the weekend at a good friend's wedding and didn't have enough time to read through etc.
It was the most unintentionally brilliant move that any inspector has ever made. Truly, it is what pointed to Mafia being a combo of at least two of the Holls/Mike D/Sarah trio. Only it wasn't really pointing to that, but it still pointed to that.
That didn't make any sense, but you catch my drift.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
The Scrog direction was surprising to me. I don't know in what way though because I don't know if it was Mafia swooping in to save LLL or something else. And I know that Scrog has played aggressively in the games he's played so I don't want to overestimate it. Besides the fact that my voting partner is no more I need to think long and hard about where to go from here. Certainly open to other viewpoints!
NBF you wanted to put me in the runoff last round, I did change my vote at the last minute, because the more LD talked the more he seemed like Mafia. NBF, I think you see what I am saying,
Maybe it's just newness and frustration, but I think that every time I've seen someone vote for him/herself, that person has been mafia.
LLL had done nothing suspicious to me to be Mafia. My voted for her was me doing the same thing that I have done the other two games I have played. I am not 100% sure LD was Mafia, but he seemed to be more Mafia than LLL, since I had no mafia commitment to LLL, I voted for the one who looked to be more Mafia than the other. Maybe I should have let him hang around for another round, but I was hoping maybe another Mafia would speak out or up or something.
Not sure why Mafia whacked Noage, I could not read anything that he said that would indicate him as the inspector. Maybe that was it, he did not say much.
I figured someone would have started doubling up votes by now, I hope someone else does. Still not a whole lot to go on, but my first thought was to look at non-Noage voters as the mafia would want to avoid killing someone tied to em/voted for by mafia, but that is everyone but me.
If LLL is mafia, it also points to Scrog who was the first to change a vote in the last runoff, then LD followed and "gave up" so to speak. It seems to me that once someone does this, they are more often mafia than not, at least in the past few games. This leads me to believe that Scrog and LLL are both innocent. This leaves:
EAP NBF Mike D Quacker Mr. Belgian Manders Duddits krunchykat
Take out the LD voters and this leaves
NBF Mike D Duddits
I would figure that if LD was mafia that only 1-2 would vote for him. I know I am a townie and this leaves NBF and Duddits. I feel our best chances at getting a mafia this round are between these two and would encourage a runoff including at least these two players.
I figured someone would have started doubling up votes by now, I hope someone else does. Still not a whole lot to go on, but my first thought was to look at non-Noage voters as the mafia would want to avoid killing someone tied to em/voted for by mafia, but that is everyone but me.
If LLL is mafia, it also points to Scrog who was the first to change a vote in the last runoff, then LD followed and "gave up" so to speak. It seems to me that once someone does this, they are more often mafia than not, at least in the past few games. This leads me to believe that Scrog and LLL are both innocent. This leaves:
EAP NBF Mike D Quacker Mr. Belgian Manders Duddits krunchykat
Take out the LD voters and this leaves
NBF Mike D Duddits
I would figure that if LD was mafia that only 1-2 would vote for him. I know I am a townie and this leaves NBF and Duddits. I feel our best chances at getting a mafia this round are between these two and would encourage a runoff including at least these two players.
Mike D >> NBF
I'll admit that this seems somewhat logical, but the logic only works if LD was actually mafia. While it's true that I've only ever seen mafia members give up and vote for themselves, there's a first time for everything, and I just have a lot trouble believing that the way the votes were split, he was actually mafia. (Also, I think it's kind of interesting how you just expect everyone to assume that you are innocent since you said so and have a runoff between me and Duddits when, assuming we accept your logic, it would be just as logical from a non-you player's perspective to have a runoff between me and you or you and Duddits, or better yet, all three of us.)
Here's the thing, besides himself, there were six people voting for Lowerdeck. I think it's a somewhat safe assumption that if LD was mafia, one of those people was mafia alongside him. With LLL saying so many times that she was willing to get killed off so that LD could get through the first round, it would have given LD's fellow mafia a perfect opportunity to say they were just following what she had asked and save him.
Now that I think about it, I kind of wonder if LD's self-vote was an attempt to get someone to change away from him and try to talk him into continuing to play. Sort of a reverse psychology kind of thing. But if (since?) he was innocent, he didn't have anyone to back him up, and he just ended up getting killed off.
Well, obviously, I want to have a runoff. Since Mike D is building cases against me, I'd like to have him in it, but I can't accomplish that on my own.
My first instinct was to vote for LLL because of my previous thinking about the LLL/Scrog connection, but I think it's possible that Scrog could be guilty and LLL could be innocent, but he just did the big vote switch to connect himself to her in the event he was suspected as mafia. Or maybe they are both innocent and he really did just switch his vote because he thought LD seemed guilty. Or maybe they really are both guilty, and he actually did it to save her from dying in the first round.
Regardless, it seems like my best option at this point.
NBF >>> Scrog >>> LLL
For the record, if anyone else switches their vote to Mike D, I will also switch mine to him. I think it's always good for an accused and an accuser to be in a runoff together.
And beyond that, to hopefully increase my chances of living through this round, I'd also love it if someone added a third or fourth player to the runoff.
I figured someone would have started doubling up votes by now, I hope someone else does. Still not a whole lot to go on, but my first thought was to look at non-Noage voters as the mafia would want to avoid killing someone tied to em/voted for by mafia, but that is everyone but me.
If LLL is mafia, it also points to Scrog who was the first to change a vote in the last runoff, then LD followed and "gave up" so to speak. It seems to me that once someone does this, they are more often mafia than not, at least in the past few games. This leads me to believe that Scrog and LLL are both innocent. This leaves:
EAP NBF Mike D Quacker Mr. Belgian Manders Duddits krunchykat
Take out the LD voters and this leaves
NBF Mike D Duddits
I would figure that if LD was mafia that only 1-2 would vote for him. I know I am a townie and this leaves NBF and Duddits. I feel our best chances at getting a mafia this round are between these two and would encourage a runoff including at least these two players.
Mike D >> NBF
I like your thinking Mike D. This is one of the ways that I was looking at it too.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I did change my vote at the last minute, because the more LD talked the more he seemed like Mafia. 
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