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Post by A$AP Rosko on Aug 11, 2012 18:50:51 GMT -5
kiko, I need something cleared up if I'm gonna start taking your posts seriously again: were you just trolling to the max a few days ago when you were rambling on about how homosexuality is immoral?
No intelligent person should believe Obama is a socialist.
He's not. He's far from it. He's to the right of Reagan was on many issues. The overall tax rate is lower now than any point in decades and decades.
Real socialists have nothing to do with Obama and his nonsense.
I'd also point out that any intelligent person would not believe Romney will return us to feudalism.
The Republicans will not say this, obviously. Or even refer to anything close to such. However, you look at the GOP economic stances and the vibe of Wall St types and social conservatives - there needs to be a structure and an order. You need people far at the top, and very little chance for someone from lower classes to change that. The middle class needs to be minimal, and people have to be content with mediocrity/struggle/no chance of advancement. Learn how to become an obedient worker, take bullshit and don't question the boss.
Call me crazy, delusional, whatever. You go and tell me otherwise. Look at how society has collapsed, look how the middle class has stagnated and began shrinking. The evidence can slap you in the face, but are you awake to it? This isn't just because I'm a socialist pre-disposed to hating Republicans. I am a Rep. hating socialist, not gonna deny that. I am because I see the world around me, what politicans and businesses have done. Republican economic policy has destroyed the area around me. Webster, Massachusetts is an epic shithole with tons of white trash and outrageous unemployment. All the good middle class jobs left town for the South, then to China and Pakistan. The textile mills closed, because company owners need to submit to Walmart demands on cost: and have to export jobs overseas. Have near slave labor working in dangerous work conditions and environmental nightmares. Everyone on the supply line makes money, the American worker needs to become a wage slave like those exploited in third world countries.
Republicans like Romney and Ryan have everything they need. And now they want to cut the social safety net. No Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security. What's next, minimum wage? You know the Walmart and McDonalds of the world want to pay employees dirt. Keep them wage slaves, tell them how to apply for increasingly drying up welfare services.
Republicans like Romney and Ryan have everything they need. And now they want to cut the social safety net. No Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security. What's next, minimum wage? You know the Walmart and McDonalds of the world want to pay employees dirt. Keep them wage slaves, tell them how to apply for increasingly drying up welfare services.
Do you realize many military families are actually encouraged to sign up for welfare benefits because of the appalling low wages the service members receive? That's what was suggested to me when I became a military spouse. The brave souls who fight to defend our freedoms are compensated as poorly as those who have the most important task of all: educating our children. Military members & educators get the salary shaft while politicians laugh all the way to the bank with perks galore. It's a travesty.
And speaking of military...do you also realize that this is the first time in 80 years that no one on either ticket has military experience? I find that interesting yet a non-issue since it's become the norm since '92.
Romney received a deferment from the draft as a Mormon 'minister of religion' for his 2-yr stint of missionary work. Romney actually registered with the Selective Service, but he drew a high number in the draft lottery and thus never had to serve.
Paul Ryan never served, either: he went to college using Social Security death benefits paid after his father died. And now he wants to fast-track Social Security cuts? Quacking hypocrite.
Interesting...Romney is already running from the Ryan budget plan like it's the plague.
EDIT: This will be really interesting politics. You picked a guy whose claim to fame is a "realistic, no nonsense" "Path to Prosperity," and your campaign's first major move after announcing the veep pick is distancing yourself from said plan. The Obama camp is going to be all over this one.
Did anyone else find it amusing that Romney announces Ryan in front of the battleship USS Wisconsin?
Oh yeah, that makes up for their lack of military service & foreign policy experience!
Not so much that they announced it in front of the ship, but that they took a long, awkward run from the deck of the ship to the soundtrack from the movie Air Force One. I almost kept my breakfast down until they ended the rally with Kid Rock's "Born Free."
Republicans like Romney and Ryan have everything they need. And now they want to cut the social safety net. No Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security. What's next, minimum wage? You know the Walmart and McDonalds of the world want to pay employees dirt. Keep them wage slaves, tell them how to apply for increasingly drying up welfare services.
Do you realize many military families are actually encouraged to sign up for welfare benefits because of the appalling low wages the service members receive? That's what was suggested to me when I became a military spouse. The brave souls who fight to defend our freedoms are compensated as poorly as those who have the most important task of all: educating our children. Military members & educators get the salary shaft while politicians laugh all the way to the bank with perks galore. It's a travesty.
Yeah, that's BS too. I hear stories from co-workers about what happens at the Groton sub base. Many of them are on welfare and food stamps because they get paid dirt. There are apparently stores on the base with subsidized prices, because of the low wages. And then politicians come down and buy there too, take advantage of a bad situation.
Post by kikosanchez on Aug 11, 2012 23:28:06 GMT -5
It is partially because of the labor market and partially because of budgetary concerns, the same as with teachers. Though many in the military do get good education benefits, which is nice. Imo, the best thing is to just reduce the number of people in the military and our military endeavors. If we weren't in so many conflicts, the average lifetime cost of personnel would drop dramatically and we could pay more to the few that keep up our defense and humanitarian efforts.
Yeah, that's BS too. I hear stories from co-workers about what happens at the Groton sub base. Many of them are on welfare and food stamps because they get paid dirt. There are apparently stores on the base with subsidized prices, because of the low wages. And then politicians come down and buy there too, take advantage of a bad situation.
I never saw any politicians in the Groton sub base Commissary or Exchange during my 5yrs there...but the prices were ridiculously low. And tax-free. I'd also never shopped at a WalMart until I lived there. It was hard to survive on $1500/mo for 2 people even 10yrs ago, esp. when you lived off-base; that much I know.
What infuriates me to no end is how Romney/Ryan thinks that cutting benefits (either to seniors or low-income people) will benefit or stimulate the economy. They want to INCREASE defense spending? Great, build more subs & ships so more underpaid, overworked service members can fight more wars in places where we aren't wanted and not needed.
Yeah, don't bother helping single moms put food on the table or college students get jobs after graduation. Heaven forbid they should do anything to help women get affordable (or even legal) healthcare services. They will fight tooth & nail to repeal all the social advances Obama has made. This is unacceptable and heartless. And my family wonders why I defected from my Republican party upbringing when I left home.
kiko, I need something cleared up if I'm gonna start taking your posts seriously again: were you just trolling to the max a few days ago when you were rambling on about how homosexuality is immoral?
Also, Paul Ryan is one of the most liberal Republicans on gay rights issues. Which I think is a good sign for the party that a lot of the young, emerging generation that will take over the direction of the party are not so backwards on this issue.
It's entirely possible I'm missing something, but as far as I know there is zero support to back this up.
Also, Paul Ryan is one of the most liberal Republicans on gay rights issues. Which I think is a good sign for the party that a lot of the young, emerging generation that will take over the direction of the party are not so backwards on this issue.
It's entirely possible I'm missing something, but as far as I know there is zero support to back this up.
Ryan's gay-rights record, according to On The Issues:
Voted yes on prohibiting job discrimination based on sexual orientation Voted yes on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman Voted yes on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage Voted yes on banning gay adoptions in Washington, D.C. Rated 0% by the gay rights group HRC Rated 91% by the conservative Christian Coalition
Edit: Oh, and he only voted yes to prohibit discrimination in the workplace after trying to shelve the bill the day leading up to the vote.
In 2007, Ryan was one of 35 Republicans to vote for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), which at that time only proposed to protect against job bias based on sexual orientation, not gender identity or expression. Ryan's advocacy that day was not unambiguous. When Republicans unsuccessfully tried a parliamentary maneuver to shelve the bill prior to its passage -- with what is known as a motion to recommit -- he joined 26 other GOP ENDA supporters in the unsuccessful effort to kill the bill they would vote for just moments later.
Post by awolfthedoor on Aug 12, 2012 15:10:34 GMT -5
I saw somewhere where he graded out to be the most extreme VP choice in a looong time. He may not ramble on about social politics, but he knows where his base stands.
I found this data super interesting. Apparently private insurance costs are outpacing Medicare and Medicaid. The two programs are growing in costs at basically the same rate as GDP. I guess the costs aren't out of control afterwards.
I saw somewhere where he graded out to be the most extreme VP choice in a looong time. He may not ramble on about social politics, but he knows where his base stands.
Can't get the image to work for some reason, but here.
Soooo, a big-business lackey who has never served, has no business experience and no foreign policy experience? Who, since he's a loyal GOP foot soldier (a solid 14-year career of almost always voting along the party line), is against equal rights for the LGBT community? Who wants to privatize everything gov't-related quickly except for defense, medicare/medicaid and social security (which he'd try to privatize by itself later on)? Who wants to stop gov't funding for schools, hospitals, police departments and fire fighters? And who wants to add trillions of dollars of debt to the US ledger over the next decade while easing a multi-trillion dollar transfer of wealth from the middle class to the upper class all under the guise of eliminating "big business" so durka dur idiots think their freedom has been protected?
I saw somewhere where he graded out to be the most extreme VP choice in a looong time. He may not ramble on about social politics, but he knows where his base stands.
I found this data super interesting. Apparently private insurance costs are outpacing Medicare and Medicaid. The two programs are growing in costs at basically the same rate as GDP. I guess the costs aren't out of control afterwards.
Larger problems with the program exist unfortunately, such as enrollment growth which still causes the program to well exceed GDP growth (8-9% vs ~ 3% GDP). Secondly, payments to doctors are going to go down. It's unknown how long they will put up with it, stop taking such patients, or just leave their practice.
Can we completely end the for profit health insurance system we have now?
Its not anything about helping treat you, more like milking as much cash out as humanly possible. Pay huge insurance premiums and deductibles so the big wigs in Hartford and elsewhere and take home millions. Then the doctors want a cut too. Its all bullshit.
Why are payments going to go down? Medicare is the most popular social program in American history and an excellent healthcare platform. Isn't it possible to, you know, increase funding to cover budget short falls (which will be temporary when viewed on a 100 year timeline)?
It is made so by law. It is one of the ways to make it "affordable".
Can we completely end the for profit health insurance system we have now?
Its not anything about helping treat you, more like milking as much cash out as humanly possible. Pay huge insurance premiums and deductibles so the big wigs in Hartford and elsewhere and take home millions. Then the doctors want a cut too. Its all bullhonkey.
The health care act has mandated the insurance companies must spend 80% of premiums directly on the patients. That may be a start. "the doctors want a cut too" well yes, as long as they are paying for their schooling, they will want a nice payoff. Not making any good money till you're ~30 and starting out well in debt, the labor market says they will be paid well or won't take on all of that for nothing. Some countries send med students through school for free. Just food for thought.
Post by awolfthedoor on Aug 13, 2012 0:35:32 GMT -5
Yeah med students take on ridiculous debt, with ridiculous interest rates, and as a result have to put off starting their lives.
That is probably closer to a conversation about reforming the education system instead of talking about health care costs, so sorry if I went too far out.
